2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[MrDollarBills]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

So you want us to trade our starting PG, take back an albatross contract and not get a 1st rder?

yeah, that's not how any of this works

[NotPhilJackson]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

So you want us to trade our starting PG, take back an albatross contract and not get a 1st rder?

yeah, that's not how any of this works

Your starting PG is D'Angelo Russell, not Lin. Albatross contract you guys created? It's tough to give a 1st rounder to a team for taking on a contract that they created for said player during free agency. Especially when he is younger, and with more upside than the player you are trading. It's an interesting situation with Crabbe, cause he's got potential to be worth that contract in the right system. Therefore, you simply say no to this, you don't act like you are being robbed.. Cause you aren't .. It's a decision of whether or not to take a risk on Crabbe in a system that will give him more touches than his previous guard / sf heavy roster would. You guys are seemingly rebuilding and going younger, Crabbe fits that mold. If you get a 1st then it's a no brainer for you. That's why you don't get a 1st, because no fair trade should be a no brainer to a third team that's being brought in to a trade. Especially considering the Knicks/Blazers don't need you to make a trade happen, don't expect to walk away clicking your feet.
You either make the exchange or you pass.

[ghostpotato]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

So you want us to trade our starting PG, take back an albatross contract and not get a 1st rder?

yeah, that's not how any of this works

Your starting PG is D'Angelo Russell, not Lin. Albatross contract you guys created? It's tough to give a 1st rounder to a team for taking on a contract that they created for said player during free agency. Especially when he is younger, and with more upside than the player you are trading. It's an interesting situation with Crabbe, cause he's got potential to be worth that contract in the right system. Therefore, you simply say no to this, you don't act like you are being robbed.. Cause you aren't .. It's a decision of whether or not to take a risk on Crabbe in a system that will give him more touches than his previous guard / sf heavy roster would. You guys are seemingly rebuilding and going younger, Crabbe fits that mold. If you get a 1st then it's a no brainer for you. That's why you don't get a 1st, because no fair trade should be a no brainer to a third team that's being brought in to a trade. Especially considering the Knicks/Blazers don't need you to make a trade happen, don't expect to walk away clicking your feet.
You either make the exchange or you pass.

We're not trading Lin without getting a 1st. I doubt we trade him anyway even if we do get a 1st. We're also not taking on Crabbe, with his trade kicker, without a 1st. We passed on KCP who is better and was much more affordable. The Blazers do not have the assets to get rid of all of their bad contracts. They simply have to deal with them or throw in some of their better assets whom they probably want to keep.

[qiantom]

So giving up Lin and taking on Crabbe does not get a 1st. Meanwhile giving up Melo gets you Lin, Harkless, Swanigan and a 1st. What world do you live in?

[Ror1997]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

No we need more than just a 2nd rounder for Crabbe and we won't be giving away Lin for that.

You guys need more than a second rounder for a guy on a contract that you orchestrated? You guys would of had him if Portland didn't match. Lin played like 20 games last season, stop acting like he's some coveted piece. Y'all just traded for D'Russ. The entire reason BKN is even included in the trade is cause NY needs a PG. You don't have much negotiation room. Say no and Crabbe get's removed from the equation and the Knicks take on Leonard for additional assets. Simple as that. BKN knows Crabbe wasn't getting enough touches in POR and is underrated. That's why yall offered him what you did.

Nets would be involved in a potential Melo/Blazers trade as a favor to the knicks so they don't have to take back all of Portland's bad contracts. Not because NY needs a PG.

Lin+DLo is the starting backcourt. Lin isn't going anywhere.

This trade is too good for the Knicks. The Knicks aren't getting a good return for Melo. That's the unfortunate reality. You don't have any leverage. You don't have to accept that as fact, but don't come to the nets board and try an insult us for over valuing Lin realistic return while over valuing Melo's realistic return. Its hypocritical. Of course you're going to get a negative reaction.

[Ror1997]

Don't you love it when fans of other teams always think they have a better grasp of what our team is doing then actual net fans.

I find it absolutely hilarious when they get butt hurt when you refuse to accept their uninformed opinion.

[Ror1997]

So giving up Lin and taking on Crabbe does not get a 1st. Meanwhile giving up Melo gets you Lin, Harkless, Swanigan and a 1st. What world do you live in?

A world where the Knicks have more playoff appearances over the last 5 years than Brooklyn

[NotPhilJackson]

I can see why yall are saying no but I don't see the outrage.. Melo AND Oquinn (High IQ, defensive contributor on a 4M per year contract) for Harkless, Swanigan (who is unproven) and a 1st?? Lin is a throw in to make salaries work - I didn't know he was the Net's Golden God. Dude played like 30% of your games last season and averages under 30 mpg on his career. He's lazy and is gonna under perform until his contract year where he will play every game and do well til he gets paid. Then go back to being injured. I'm sure you could flip him for a pick at the deadline or something - but don't expect to be getting paid out as a third party in a deal between NYK and POR.

[Netaman]

I can see why yall are saying no but I don't see the outrage.. Melo AND Oquinn (High IQ, defensive contributor on a 4M per year contract) for Harkless, Swanigan (who is unproven) and a 1st?? Lin is a throw in to make salaries work - I didn't know he was the Net's Golden God. Dude played like 30% of your games last season and averages under 30 mpg on his career. He's lazy and is gonna under perform until his contract year where he will play every game and do well til he gets paid. Then go back to being injured. I'm sure you could flip him for a pick at the deadline or something - but don't expect to be getting paid out as a third party in a deal between NYK and POR.

There's no chance the Nets deal anything of value for Crabbe. With the trade kicker and a much more crowded guard rotation than they had last year when they offered him, it would take them receiving a significant asset just to accept his contract.

Here's something that I think is realistic - with the Knicks receiving a 1st round pick from Portland.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ccqqby

Portland gets their star and clears some high salary role players for what would end up a late 1st. Nets help facilitate and take on a youngish PF who will fit into their rotation. Knicks get a first and 2 youngish athletic players who aren't that overpaid, while also cutting 10m this year. All things considered I think that's a win for all involved.

[Claud]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

Yeah let's help the Knicks and PDX while we get ****... great trade for the other teams but for us it's garbage.

All we get is Crabbe who is 1 dimensional role player plus 2nd rounder?


First of all we don't need Crabbe. We have a logjam at the guards and young guys need minutes.


We need at least 1 first round pick unprotected to even begin talks here.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I can see why yall are saying no but I don't see the outrage.. Melo AND Oquinn (High IQ, defensive contributor on a 4M per year contract) for Harkless, Swanigan (who is unproven) and a 1st?? Lin is a throw in to make salaries work - I didn't know he was the Net's Golden God. Dude played like 30% of your games last season and averages under 30 mpg on his career. He's lazy and is gonna under perform until his contract year where he will play every game and do well til he gets paid. Then go back to being injured. I'm sure you could flip him for a pick at the deadline or something - but don't expect to be getting paid out as a third party in a deal between NYK and POR.

How is Jeremy Lin a throw in?

We were almost a .500 team when Lin played last year. Hes still good enough to help win games.

And hes on a great contract.

I wouldn't trade him for Crabbe straight up.

And stop pretending like Lin is injury prone, cause he had one injured season.

I'm not a Jeremy Lin fan but you acting like hes worthless and should just be thrown away for your stupid Melo deal is pretty dumb.

The only way I would ever want the Nets to be involved in any trade which benefits the Knicks is if we got back huge value. And thats clearly not the case here.

[NotPhilJackson]

I can see why yall are saying no but I don't see the outrage.. Melo AND Oquinn (High IQ, defensive contributor on a 4M per year contract) for Harkless, Swanigan (who is unproven) and a 1st?? Lin is a throw in to make salaries work - I didn't know he was the Net's Golden God. Dude played like 30% of your games last season and averages under 30 mpg on his career. He's lazy and is gonna under perform until his contract year where he will play every game and do well til he gets paid. Then go back to being injured. I'm sure you could flip him for a pick at the deadline or something - but don't expect to be getting paid out as a third party in a deal between NYK and POR.

There's no chance the Nets deal anything of value for Crabbe. With the trade kicker and a much more crowded guard rotation than they had last year when they offered him, it would take them receiving a significant asset just to accept his contract.

Here's something that I think is realistic - with the Knicks receiving a 1st round pick from Portland.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ccqqby

Portland gets their star and clears some high salary role players for what would end up a late 1st. Nets help facilitate and take on a youngish PF who will fit into their rotation. Knicks get a first and 2 youngish athletic players who aren't that overpaid, while also cutting 10m this year. All things considered I think that's a win for all involved.

More realistically something like this will happen but without a third team like BKN being involved. Knicks can take on Ed Davis for 1 year no problem.

[Prokorov]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

So you want us to trade our starting PG, take back an albatross contract and not get a 1st rder?

yeah, that's not how any of this works

Awful deal...

We give up a good player on a good deal for a bad player on an awful deal and we do all that just to get a second rounder?

NO CHANCE

[NotPhilJackson]

[Prokorov]

Your starting PG is D'Angelo Russell, not Lin.

Lin will start at PG, Russell at SG. its been confirmed by both atkinson and marks. even Lin did come off the bench, he is still better then crabbe.

Albatross contract you guys created? It's tough to give a 1st rounder to a team for taking on a contract that they created for said player during free agency.

Just because the nets were the one who signed him to an insane overpay on an offersheet doesnt mean we are responsible for cleaning up the mess once portland matched. we dodged a bullet. I dont see you guys giving us any compenstation for trading us wallace for the #6 overall pick on a rental.

Especially when he is younger, and with more upside than the player you are trading. It's an interesting situation with Crabbe, cause he's got potential to be worth that contract in the right system. Therefore, you simply say no to this, you don't act like you are being robbed.. Cause you aren't .. It's a decision of whether or not to take a risk on Crabbe in a system that will give him more touches than his previous guard / sf heavy roster would. You guys are seemingly rebuilding and going younger, Crabbe fits that mold. If you get a 1st then it's a no brainer for you. That's why you don't get a 1st, because no fair trade should be a no brainer to a third team that's being brought in to a trade. Especially considering the Knicks/Blazers don't need you to make a trade happen, don't expect to walk away clicking your feet.
You either make the exchange or you pass.

anytime you give up the best player and take the worst player AND worst contract you are getting robbed.

Crabbe plus a second without lin going back is not a deal i would do, let alone with Lin.

crabbe is negative value. without a first there is no way you can take him in a trade.

[steady]

POR OUT Crabbe, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto protected), 2nd Rounder
POR IN Melo, O'Quinn, Q. Acy

NYK OUT Melo, O'Quinn
NYK IN Lin, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan, 1st Rounder (Lotto Protected)

BKN OUT Lin, Q. Acy
BKN IN Crabbe, 2nd Rounder

So you want us to trade our starting PG, take back an albatross contract and not get a 1st rder?

yeah, that's not how any of this works

Your starting PG is D'Angelo Russell, not Lin. Albatross contract you guys created? It's tough to give a 1st rounder to a team for taking on a contract that they created for said player during free agency. Especially when he is younger, and with more upside than the player you are trading. It's an interesting situation with Crabbe, cause he's got potential to be worth that contract in the right system. Therefore, you simply say no to this, you don't act like you are being robbed.. Cause you aren't .. It's a decision of whether or not to take a risk on Crabbe in a system that will give him more touches than his previous guard / sf heavy roster would. You guys are seemingly rebuilding and going younger, Crabbe fits that mold. If you get a 1st then it's a no brainer for you. That's why you don't get a 1st, because no fair trade should be a no brainer to a third team that's being brought in to a trade. Especially considering the Knicks/Blazers don't need you to make a trade happen, don't expect to walk away clicking your feet.
You either make the exchange or you pass.

Even taking Lin out of the equation, if there was any team in League who would straight up take Crabbe for a 2nd rounder, do you think Crabbe would still be in Portland ?

[Prokorov]

I can see why yall are saying no but I don't see the outrage.. Melo AND Oquinn (High IQ, defensive contributor on a 4M per year contract) for Harkless, Swanigan (who is unproven) and a 1st?? Lin is a throw in to make salaries work - I didn't know he was the Net's Golden God. Dude played like 30% of your games last season and averages under 30 mpg on his career. He's lazy and is gonna under perform until his contract year where he will play every game and do well til he gets paid. Then go back to being injured. I'm sure you could flip him for a pick at the deadline or something - but don't expect to be getting paid out as a third party in a deal between NYK and POR.

i dont really care about what the knicks are getting. i care about what the nets give up and what they get.

Lin lazy? he is one of the hardest workers on the team. less then 30 mpg? how is that relevant? he is this teams leader and one of our better players. he is much better then crabbe (speaking of lazy).

we dont expect anything... we dont want crabbe. we dont want to move lin. so im not sure why we would do both for a second rounder just to help out the knicks?

[NotPhilJackson]

So you want us to trade our starting PG, take back an albatross contract and not get a 1st rder?

yeah, that's not how any of this works

Your starting PG is D'Angelo Russell, not Lin. Albatross contract you guys created? It's tough to give a 1st rounder to a team for taking on a contract that they created for said player during free agency. Especially when he is younger, and with more upside than the player you are trading. It's an interesting situation with Crabbe, cause he's got potential to be worth that contract in the right system. Therefore, you simply say no to this, you don't act like you are being robbed.. Cause you aren't .. It's a decision of whether or not to take a risk on Crabbe in a system that will give him more touches than his previous guard / sf heavy roster would. You guys are seemingly rebuilding and going younger, Crabbe fits that mold. If you get a 1st then it's a no brainer for you. That's why you don't get a 1st, because no fair trade should be a no brainer to a third team that's being brought in to a trade. Especially considering the Knicks/Blazers don't need you to make a trade happen, don't expect to walk away clicking your feet.
You either make the exchange or you pass.

Even taking Lin out of the equation, if there was any team in League who would straight up take Crabbe for a 2nd rounder, do you think Crabbe would still be in Portland ?

To be fair, there's only one other team in the league known to be willing to pay that much for Crabbe and yup, you guessed it, it's the Nets

[Ror1997]

The only thing worse than trolling, is proposing and defending such an idiotic trade idea that you have to pretend you were trolling so people don't think you're as dumb as you appeared.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Your starting PG is D'Angelo Russell, not Lin. Albatross contract you guys created? It's tough to give a 1st rounder to a team for taking on a contract that they created for said player during free agency. Especially when he is younger, and with more upside than the player you are trading. It's an interesting situation with Crabbe, cause he's got potential to be worth that contract in the right system. Therefore, you simply say no to this, you don't act like you are being robbed.. Cause you aren't .. It's a decision of whether or not to take a risk on Crabbe in a system that will give him more touches than his previous guard / sf heavy roster would. You guys are seemingly rebuilding and going younger, Crabbe fits that mold. If you get a 1st then it's a no brainer for you. That's why you don't get a 1st, because no fair trade should be a no brainer to a third team that's being brought in to a trade. Especially considering the Knicks/Blazers don't need you to make a trade happen, don't expect to walk away clicking your feet.
You either make the exchange or you pass.

Even taking Lin out of the equation, if there was any team in League who would straight up take Crabbe for a 2nd rounder, do you think Crabbe would still be in Portland ?

To be fair, there's only one other team in the league known to be willing to pay that much for Crabbe and yup, you guessed it, it's the Nets

Could be worse. We could have given 71 million to Tim Hardaway Jr.

Now off to the Knicks forum with you, where you belong.