Why Teletovic should start for Brooklyn

[Pen Island]

Stumbled upon this and was floored by how thorough and well done the original post is NIN.

Many props.

[N Ireland Nets]

Stumbled upon this and was floored by how thorough and well done the original post is NIN.

Many props.

Thanks man, appreciate it

[PetroNet]

1 game out of 50. Pop the bubbly. 2% success ratio. And it wasnt vs OKC it was vs Sactown which is as close to Euroleague as it gets.

1) its not 50 games. he has been the victim of several DNPs, thus he has only played 33 games.

2) he has had more then 1 good game

3) when he actually gets playing time, he produces pretty well. in games where he gets 10+ minutes:

Hou - 12 points 62% FG
Mia - 7 points 38% FG
Orl - 5 points 50% FG
Hou - 9 points 43% FG
OKC - 8 points 50% FG
Tor - 10 points 38% FG
Sac 14 points 50% FG

combined 9 points on 46.8% FG (not to mention a 60+ TS%, but i've long given up on you with advanced stats)

if he got consistent minutes his numbers would be solid and more consistent. its pretty difficult to put up numbers when you play in average once every 3 games for 4 minutes a clip.

You're being a clown bro... its one thing to hate on a guy, but at least do it right and go full out troll instead of this pretending top have a legit argument that is complete crap and not based in reality... stick to the "mirza came in and missed 3 shots! lolzerz!"

peace.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

1 game out of 50. Pop the bubbly. 2% success ratio. And it wasnt vs OKC it was vs Sactown which is as close to Euroleague as it gets.

1) its not 50 games. he has been the victim of several DNPs, thus he has only played 33 games.

2) he has had more then 1 good game

3) when he actually gets playing time, he produces pretty well. in games where he gets 10+ minutes:

Hou - 12 points 62% FG
Mia - 7 points 38% FG
Orl - 5 points 50% FG
Hou - 9 points 43% FG
OKC - 8 points 50% FG
Tor - 10 points 38% FG
Sac 14 points 50% FG

combined 9 points on 46.8% FG (not to mention a 60+ TS%, but i've long given up on you with advanced stats)

if he got consistent minutes his numbers would be solid and more consistent. its pretty difficult to put up numbers when you play in average once every 3 games for 4 minutes a clip.

You're being a clown bro... its one thing to hate on a guy, but at least do it right and go full out troll instead of this pretending top have a legit argument that is complete crap and not based in reality... stick to the "mirza came in and missed 3 shots! lolzerz!"

peace.

Cherry picking stats again I see. He is only shooting 36.6% on the season. When your argument includes throwing out stats you dont want to count I stop listening. Kind of like this "Throw out all of the Nets loses and they are undefeated." See how stupid that sounds. See how stupid you sound.

Your job as a professional athlete is to be ready to play. PERIOD. Im tired of the "it's hard to play well when you only get a couple of minutes." People who use it sound like whinny little biatches. Tyshawn Taylor is an actual rookie (Mirza has close to 10 years of playing professionally) and played great when his number was called. It's called being accountable.

He only gets a couple of minutes because that's all he deserves. Unless PJ is trying lose on purpose, coaches dont play the bad players extended minutes. Playing time is earned not given. Mirza came into the season with the organization looking to give him playing time. He has since been passed on the depth chart by a career backup and a player who has fallen out of favor with the organization.

IDK what you consider a good game. 14 points is his high. That isnt impressive. Mirza isnt impressive. Every stat shows he sucks yet I still have to argue with people like you who cant deal with it.

[MT3]

Some people are that stubborn, like this one above.. give the guy a chance and see what he's got. Idiot P.J. is not even worth to have such player in his team. What he showed in Europe is worth 10 points average in his rookie season and 20 minutes minimum.

[Jersey Generals]

14 points on 50% in 21 minutes isn't impressive to you? Interesting.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

14 points on 50% in 21 minutes isn't impressive to you? Interesting.

If Joe Johnson scores 14 pts are you impressed?

Mirza was billed as the "Top scorer in Europe". I expected 10-14 PPG on 43-48% FG, 38-42% 3pt and meaningful contribution. If he was doing that then I could overlook his horrid D.

What did we get? A scorer who cant score. A shooter who cant shoot. Poor defense and rebounding. It's the equivalent of getting Reggie Evans and he all of a sudden cant rebound anymore.

[N Ireland Nets]

14 points on 50% in 21 minutes isn't impressive to you? Interesting.

If Joe Johnson scores 14 pts are you impressed?

Mirza was billed as the "Top scorer in Europe". I expected 10-14 PPG on 43-48% FG, 38-42% 3pt and meaningful contribution. If he was doing that then I could overlook his horrid D.

What did we get? A scorer who cant score. A shooter who cant shoot. Poor defense and rebounding. It's the equivalent of getting Reggie Evans and he all of a sudden cant rebound anymore.

This is easily one of the biggest troll posts I've seen in the Nets forum since in the I've posted on RealGM, I don't even know where to start to break down your post.

I'm done.

[Jersey Generals]

If Joe Johnson scores 14 pts are you impressed?

Mirza was billed as the "Top scorer in Europe". I expected 10-14 PPG on 43-48% FG, 38-42% 3pt and meaningful contribution. If he was doing that then I could overlook his horrid D.

What did we get? A scorer who cant score. A shooter who cant shoot. Poor defense and rebounding. It's the equivalent of getting Reggie Evans and he all of a sudden cant rebound anymore.

Dude, I'm going to warn you, not because I believe I'm a good poster or that I own this board or anything of the sort, but because I've never had a problem with you and we have never really talked...your posts are getting so far out of touch with reality that it's making you look foolish. Seriously, you just equated a role player's stats, getting paid 3 million dollars, to a guy that has been a number one option in the league for nearly a decade, earning 20 million dollars. Just let that sink in for a second.

[Truckyocouch]

I like the tone Evans sets early in games but I personally can't fully cosign with the notion of Mirza starting. I do however think Mirza should be one of the first players off the bench especially in order to maximize the effectiveness of our spacing. Once this happens and Mirza further proves he can bring an early spark, then we should start him if his impact proves to be prominent on both ends.

Bag on Reggie all ya'll want but he is what he is and even as a starter he brings much needed toughness and hustle. I for one do still miss the impact him and Blatche had off of our bench early in the season but understand why our coaching staff chose to use him as a starter considering how they live and die by advanced stats. It is time for a change but I really don't think these Avery disciples will make it in the starting lineup, they will most likely start to bring Mirza off the bench earlier so he gets some minutes with our top players.....

[Pen Island]

I like the tone Evans sets early in games but I personally can't fully cosign with the notion of Mirza starting. I do however think Mirza should be one of the first players off the bench especially in order to maximize the effectiveness of our spacing. Once this happens and Mirza further proves he can bring an early spark, then we should start him if his impact proves to be prominent on both ends.

Bag on Reggie all ya'll want but he is what he is and even as a starter he brings much needed toughness and hustle. I for one do still miss the impact him and Blatche had off of our bench early in the season but understand why our coaching staff chose to use him as a starter considering how they live and die by advanced stats. It is time for a change but I really don't think these Avery disciples will make it in the starting lineup, they will most likely start to bring Mirza off the bench earlier so he gets some minutes with our top players.....

I like Reggie. I can even deal with Hump off the bench. But handicapping our starters 4 on 5 has killed us all year. Other team's top units are keeping up pace when we should be blowing teams our of the water with our offense.

I would go Deron, JJ, Wallace, Mirza, and Lopez for the first 6 minutes of the game. If we trail and sputter and need energy, you go with Evans/Blatche with 4 minutes to go and let them finish out the quarter.

Start of the 2nd, if Blatche and Evans are showing they can hang you substitute Evans for Lopez and go Blatche Lopez until Blatche tires (which should be after about 5 minutes or so) then you go ahead and bring in Mirza. You let Lopez play 4 more minutes and then sit him for Blatche at the 3 minute mark.

Bam. Look at the management of the bigs there. I don't think it's that complicated.

[PetroNet]

Cherry picking stats again I see. He is only shooting 36.6% on the season. When your argument includes throwing out stats you dont want to count I stop listening. Kind of like this "Throw out all of the Nets loses and they are undefeated." See how stupid that sounds. See how stupid you sound.

Cherry picking stats? how is using a sample of games he played 10+ minutes in cherry picking? its clearly indiciative of his play when he gets alot of burn. are you implying that players arent more likely to play well when given longer rotations and more consistent minutes? if so, then im not the stupid one/

IDK what you consider a good game. 14 points is his high. That isnt impressive. Mirza isnt impressive. Every stat shows he sucks yet I still have to argue with people like you who cant deal with it.

[/quote]

14 points in 40 minutes, no not impressive. 14 points in 15-20 minutes, thats more impressive.

you really need to just chill with the trolling, its obvious to everyone that you are just being a troll, especially with 0 to back up what you are saying and the name calling. and it really kills your credibility on all other topics

[PetroNet]

14 points on 50% in 21 minutes isn't impressive to you? Interesting.

If Joe Johnson scores 14 pts are you impressed?

[quote]

when he does it in 1 half on 50+ % shooting?

yes.

[Paradise]

After re-watching the game, the ball movement against the Memphis defense became much more fluid when Teletovic was in the game. He hit a big 3 pointer because Gasol left him wide open and forgot to guard him as opposed to Lopez/Evans in the post which is easier to guard.

Deron's shots became much more cleaner when he was out there as well. Teletovic passed to Deron, Deron passed it to a cutting Bogans, Bogans passes it to Marshon in the left corner, Marshon passes it to Teletovic on the left wing, Teletovic passes it to Deron on the right wing and gets a wide open three and makes it pushing the lead to 5 with 3 minutes to go.

THAT sequence represented why he should not only start but why he should be the first big man off the bench. The ball moves from side to side when he's on the court. Yet, this idiot refuses to do the right thing.

Oh but his defense is an excuse? He has a HIGH IQ and It was obvious because he was guarding Gasol and he didn't try to guard him one on one, he FRONTED Gasol and denied him the ball, which forced an offensive foul on Prince.

He was brilliant last night, straight up brilliant and he's rotting on the bench. Pathetic.

[Truckyocouch]

I like Reggie. I can even deal with Hump off the bench. But handicapping our starters 4 on 5 has killed us all year. Other team's top units are keeping up pace when we should be blowing teams our of the water with our offense.

I would go Deron, JJ, Wallace, Mirza, and Lopez for the first 6 minutes of the game. If we trail and sputter and need energy, you go with Evans/Blatche with 4 minutes to go and let them finish out the quarter.

Start of the 2nd, if Blatche and Evans are showing they can hang you substitute Evans for Lopez and go Blatche Lopez until Blatche tires (which should be after about 5 minutes or so) then you go ahead and bring in Mirza. You let Lopez play 4 more minutes and then sit him for Blatche at the 3 minute mark.

Bam. Look at the management of the bigs there. I don't think it's that complicated.

indeed good point!!

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

14 points on 50% in 21 minutes isn't impressive to you? Interesting.

If Joe Johnson scores 14 pts are you impressed?

Mirza was billed as the "Top scorer in Europe". I expected 10-14 PPG on 43-48% FG, 38-42% 3pt and meaningful contribution. If he was doing that then I could overlook his horrid D.

What did we get? A scorer who cant score. A shooter who cant shoot. Poor defense and rebounding. It's the equivalent of getting Reggie Evans and he all of a sudden cant rebound anymore.

This is easily one of the biggest troll posts I've seen in the Nets forum since in the I've posted on RealGM, I don't even know where to start to break down your post.

I'm done.

Troll?

MIRZA IS SHOOTING 37%FG & 32.4% 3pt. THATS NOT GOOD.

% is a quality not a quantity stat.

Why dont you start there without an excuse on how I have to understand his emotions?

[PetroNet]

Troll?

MIRZA IS SHOOTING 37%FG & 32.4% 3pt. THATS NOT GOOD.

% is a quality not a quantity stat.

% is also something that is easily skewed and misrepresenting based on sample size and frequency.

if i flip a coin 3 times and its heads all 3 times, should i conclude that 100% of the time a coin is flipped, its heads?

if all you take is 3 pointers, and you make 41%of them, are you terrible because your field goal percentage is 41%?

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

I like Reggie. I can even deal with Hump off the bench. But handicapping our starters 4 on 5 has killed us all year. Other team's top units are keeping up pace when we should be blowing teams our of the water with our offense.

I would go Deron, JJ, Wallace, Mirza, and Lopez for the first 6 minutes of the game. If we trail and sputter and need energy, you go with Evans/Blatche with 4 minutes to go and let them finish out the quarter.

Start of the 2nd, if Blatche and Evans are showing they can hang you substitute Evans for Lopez and go Blatche Lopez until Blatche tires (which should be after about 5 minutes or so) then you go ahead and bring in Mirza. You let Lopez play 4 more minutes and then sit him for Blatche at the 3 minute mark.

Bam. Look at the management of the bigs there. I don't think it's that complicated.

The front court rotations arent hard to figure out.




indeed good point!!

Center - Start Lopez 32 min + Blatche 16 min = 48 min
PF - Start Blatche 16 min + Evans 16 min + (Hump/Crash/Tele) 16 min dependent on the matchups

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Troll?

MIRZA IS SHOOTING 37%FG & 32.4% 3pt. THATS NOT GOOD.

% is a quality not a quantity stat.

% is also something that is easily skewed and misrepresenting based on sample size and frequency.

if i flip a coin 3 times and its heads all 3 times, should i conclude that 100% of the time a coin is flipped, its heads?

if all you take is 3 pointers, and you make 41%of them, are you terrible because your field goal percentage is 41%?

Except Mirza has taken more then 3 shots. And it's against backups who tend to be bad defenders. The Nets hide him vs good players.

You talk about when he plays more then 10 minutes above. The only time he plays extended minutes is when he is making his shot. If he doesnt then he gets pulled. Hence any time he has played 10 minutes he has a good %. That's why you cant cherry pick stats like that.

Watch Bill Burr's comedy special. His friend tells him 90% of all shark attacks happen by the beach. Burr responds to him, No ish that's where the people are.

[Paradise]

Troll?

MIRZA IS SHOOTING 37%FG & 32.4% 3pt. THATS NOT GOOD.

% is a quality not a quantity stat.

% is also something that is easily skewed and misrepresenting based on sample size and frequency.

if i flip a coin 3 times and its heads all 3 times, should i conclude that 100% of the time a coin is flipped, its heads?

if all you take is 3 pointers, and you make 41%of them, are you terrible because your field goal percentage is 41%?

Except Mirza has taken more then 3 shots. And it's against backups who tend to be bad defenders. The Nets hide him vs good players.

You talk about when he plays more then 10 minutes above. The only time he plays extended minutes is when he is making his shot. If he doesnt then he gets pulled. Hence any time he has played 10 minutes he has a good %. That's why you cant cherry pick stats like that.

Watch Bill Burr's comedy special. His friend tells him 90% of all shark attacks happen by the beach. Burr responds to him, No ish that's where the people are.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLwF30t-7Vg[/youtube]


He's being guarded AND defending Marc Gasol. You have no credibility.