Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

It's no secret Allen struggles against stronger centers. It's a bigger problem in the playoffs where matchup matters. Where every possession matters. You can't just bleed points on post ups since it's supposed to be most inefficient shot in basketball. Not against Philly or Indiana or even Toronto.

only that isnt even remotly true, nor do the facts support it.

Capela is 25 and battle tested in the playoffs. Only struggling against Curry and the Warriors. Allen has only played 5 games in the playoffs and got destroyed by Embiid. We couldn't keep him on the floor even though our backup C got hurt. [/qute]

Capella has been awful or unavailable in the playoffs

So yeah there are playoff concerns with Allen until he bulks up and gets more experience. Can't have that kind of stuff when KD is here.

Still impossible to make a deal. Capela makes too much money. Allen is on a great contact and super young.

Allen is already better than capella, and flying past him as he continues to develop with a much higher ceiling

[Papi_swav]

Just no accountability. The way CJ has played has been completely unacceptable. I'm so tired of him getting the longest leash of all time to go into complete chucker mode. It's just unbelievable. At some point, there has to be some accountability for this overall DUMB play of Portand's players. They make HORRIBLE decisions regularly, and there never seems to be repercussions for it.

18 shots and 1 assist. That's just completely unacceptable for a guy who regularly dribbles the ball 7+ times.

The worst part is that CJ was actually better about not over-dribbling and making smart passes earlier in his career. But the Blazers utterly botched his development and he's become worse over time as all of his bad habits were reinforced through lack of accountability.

This is just one of Blazer fans, they got CJ issue. Can't believe some wanted him here, grass is not always greener as they say.

Exactly, this is what I've been saying all along and some guys here really believe that he isn't a chucker and he's a perfect fit here SMH .. the dude is an undersized 2 guard that doesn't help our system in anyway at all. He would be a horrible fit next to Kyrie, they play too much the same way. Same problem Dame/CJ are having.

We do not need another scorer/chucker here. He doesn't play good defense and he cannot carry the lead guard duties like Dinwiddie can. He might be better than Din but Din is a legit point guard that can lead the starters or the bench and we can also put him in the 2 guard spot. CJ is basically Lou Williams with a little better size which isn't bad if he was a 6th man or if he didn't have a huge contract.

[Papi_swav]

I don't see how we can acquire John Collins. I highly doubt we trade Din in any situation other than a legit star. Collins is good but I kind of question his fit next to KD . Hope we don't trade Allen either. The rumors will be alot more interesting than the actual trades that go down.

[Paradise]

WOJ: Caplea to ATL, RoCo to HOU, Beasley, Turner, Hernangomez, Nets pick to MIN

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[MrDollarBills]

WOJ: Caplea to ATL, RoCo to HOU, Beasley, Turner, Hernangomez, Nets pick to MIN

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Atlanta clearly gets better here for next season.

Not sure why the other teams did it outside of Houston wanting to dump salary.

[GTR11]

WOJ: Caplea to ATL, RoCo to HOU, Beasley, Turner, Hernangomez, Nets pick to MIN

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Houston you have a Morey problem .

[DarkXaero]

I don't understand the Collins thing at all. Don't see what we can give up that would make sense for Atlanta.

Not gonna lie - I'm kind of bummed. I feel like Rodi is gonna get moved for a 2nd to clear a roster spot. After the year he had last year, it would be a player development waste to just give him away. I don't even want to hear about the turnovers and stuff - he never got a real chance this year.

Well until now, we could have offered them Allen, who is a better player for them to get over Capela, timeline wise. But they got the Capela deal done so that idea is now off the table.

[GTR11]

I don't understand the Collins thing at all. Don't see what we can give up that would make sense for Atlanta.

Not gonna lie - I'm kind of bummed. I feel like Rodi is gonna get moved for a 2nd to clear a roster spot. After the year he had last year, it would be a player development waste to just give him away. I don't even want to hear about the turnovers and stuff - he never got a real chance this year.

Well until now, we could have offered them Allen, who is a better player for them to get over Capela, timeline wise. But they got the Capela deal done so that idea is now off the table.

Once Info gets leaked I call bs from the door. Marks don't leak a damn thing, we can only guess for blatant one's.

[MGrand15]

It's no secret Allen struggles against stronger centers. It's a bigger problem in the playoffs where matchup matters. Where every possession matters. You can't just bleed points on post ups since it's supposed to be most inefficient shot in basketball. Not against Philly or Indiana or even Toronto.

only that isnt even remotly true, nor do the facts support it.

[Prokorov]

It's no secret Allen struggles against stronger centers. It's a bigger problem in the playoffs where matchup matters. Where every possession matters. You can't just bleed points on post ups since it's supposed to be most inefficient shot in basketball. Not against Philly or Indiana or even Toronto.

only that isnt even remotly true, nor do the facts support it.

Wow what awesome data... only 1 problem: Allen has played ZERO minutes vs. Embiid this season. zip, zilch, nada.

So your proof that Allen is getting pushed around this year and bullied by bigger players is to post data on how he fares vs a guy who didnt play a second vs. the nets this season? Why not post a comparison of Allen vs. Wilt or Shaq? because those guys played the same amount of minutes vs allen that embiid did. Allen has been somehwere between solid and veyr good against bigger players this year. Your bias is showing with nonsense like this

[MrDollarBills]

A guy that Allen has had trouble with who comes to mind is Andre Drummond. I thought in the last two games vs Drummond, Allen did allow himself to get bullied a bit on one or two post defensive possessions where Drummond muscled him in the first game. in the 2nd game, he definitely held his ground.

In both wins posted vs Detroit:

Game 1: Allen 20/15/4blks vs. Drummond's 20/21/2blks. That's pretty damn even tbh production wise.

Game 2: Allen 11/6/4blks vs. Drummond's 12/13/2blks. Drummond was held to 5 of 16 shooting.

I think another offseason of muscle building should get Allen to a level where he needs to be strength wise. Now that Capella is off of the table, the goals for next year is for Allen to get stronger, and for him to add something on offense to keep defenses honest. I think a foul line jumper should at bare minimum be something that he works on.

[Prokorov]

A guy that Allen has had trouble with who comes to mind is Andre Drummond. I thought in the last two games vs Drummond, Allen did allow himself to get bullied a bit on one or two post defensive possessions where Drummond muscled him in the first game. in the 2nd game, he definitely held his ground.

In both wins posted vs Detroit:

Game 1: Allen 20/15/4blks vs. Drummond's 20/21/2blks. That's pretty damn even tbh production wise.

Game 2: Allen 11/6/4blks vs. Drummond's 12/13/2blks. Drummond was held to 5 of 16 shooting.

I think another offseason of muscle building should get Allen to a level where he needs to be strength wise. Now that Capella is off of the table, the goals for next year is for Allen to get stronger, and for him to add something on offense to keep defenses honest. I think a foul line jumper should at bare minimum be something that he works on.

I dont want Allen to ever take a foul line jumper. like he should finsih his career 0-0 from 15-18 feet. i'd like to see him do more of that fake off the hand off when the big leans and split that gap to the hoop, more of the hook from 6 feet in and maybe a corner three. but FT jumper is not what we want.

[Prokorov]

A guy that Allen has had trouble with who comes to mind is Andre Drummond. I thought in the last two games vs Drummond, Allen did allow himself to get bullied a bit on one or two post defensive possessions where Drummond muscled him in the first game. in the 2nd game, he definitely held his ground.

In both wins posted vs Detroit:

Game 1: Allen 20/15/4blks vs. Drummond's 20/21/2blks. That's pretty damn even tbh production wise.

Game 2: Allen 11/6/4blks vs. Drummond's 12/13/2blks. Drummond was held to 5 of 16 shooting.

Allen held Drummond to 13-36 shooting (36%) in those two games and blocked 3 of his shots. Meanwhile Allen was 12-20 (60%)

Allen was a +10 in both games (wins)

[MrDollarBills]

A guy that Allen has had trouble with who comes to mind is Andre Drummond. I thought in the last two games vs Drummond, Allen did allow himself to get bullied a bit on one or two post defensive possessions where Drummond muscled him in the first game. in the 2nd game, he definitely held his ground.

In both wins posted vs Detroit:

Game 1: Allen 20/15/4blks vs. Drummond's 20/21/2blks. That's pretty damn even tbh production wise.

Game 2: Allen 11/6/4blks vs. Drummond's 12/13/2blks. Drummond was held to 5 of 16 shooting.

I think another offseason of muscle building should get Allen to a level where he needs to be strength wise. Now that Capella is off of the table, the goals for next year is for Allen to get stronger, and for him to add something on offense to keep defenses honest. I think a foul line jumper should at bare minimum be something that he works on.

I dont want Allen to ever take a foul line jumper. like he should finsih his career 0-0 from 15-18 feet. i'd like to see him do more of that fake off the hand off when the big leans and split that gap to the hoop, more of the hook from 6 feet in and maybe a corner three. but FT jumper is not what we want.

He doesn't seem comfortable shooting the corner three. I think he absolutely needs to start driving to the rim if he has a lane opening. He's been doing it a bit this year but the staff needs to encourage him to look for that every time he can.

I would love for Allen to workout this summer with someone like Marc Gasol who has a nice hook shot in the lane off the dribble move that is automatic.

[MGrand15]

only that isnt even remotly true, nor do the facts support it.

Wow what awesome data... only 1 problem: Allen has played ZERO minutes vs. Embiid this season. zip, zilch, nada.

So your proof that Allen is getting pushed around this year and bullied by bigger players is to post data on how he fares vs a guy who didnt play a second vs. the nets this season? Why not post a comparison of Allen vs. Wilt or Shaq? because those guys played the same amount of minutes vs allen that embiid did. Allen has been somehwere between solid and veyr good against bigger players this year. Your bias is showing with nonsense like this

You were responding to my point about the playoffs saying it wasn't remotely true. I give you overwhelming data for someone we'll have to get through in the playoffs but OK.

All Star center stats vs. Nets this year:

Rudy Gobert - 20 PPG, 16.5 RPG, 2.5 APG - TS% 75.8 - 2 Ls
Bam Adebayo - 19.5 PPG, 11 RPG, 2.0 APG - TS% 63.0 - 1 L 1 W
Domantas Sabonis - 22.5 PPG, 13 RPG, 3.5 APG - TS% 60.0 - 2 Ls
Nikola Jokic - 21 PPG, 10.5 PPG, 4.5 APG - TS% 58.5 - 1 L 1 W

Monster games from Damian Jones, Steven Adams, Thomas Bryant, etc.

This is still a super limited sample size. Anyone with eyes can see Allen still needs to bulk up. And until he does, it's going to be a concern. Especially in the playoffs where he got completely roasted less than a year ago.

Of course you're not concerned. You think the team right now without KD is the 2nd best team in the East. Zero development needed. No one else agrees.

[Prokorov]

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You were responding to my point about the playoffs saying it wasn't remotely true. I give you overwhelming data for someone we'll have to get through in the playoffs but OK.

Your concern was about this years playoffs. there is no reason to be concerned he will be bullied because this year he has not been pushed around. last year he was. he has made enormous strides. For us to have to face embiid, it would need to be in the eastern conference finals as they are on the bottom half of the opposite side of the bracket.

All Star center stats vs. Nets this year:

Rudy Gobert - 20 PPG, 16.5 RPG, 2.5 APG - TS% 75.8 - 2 Ls
Bam Adebayo - 19.5 PPG, 11 RPG, 2.0 APG - TS% 63.0 - 1 L 1 W
Domantas Sabonis - 22.5 PPG, 13 RPG, 3.5 APG - TS% 60.0 - 2 Ls
Nikola Jokic - 21 PPG, 10.5 PPG, 4.5 APG - TS% 58.5 - 1 L 1 W

All-stars played well vs us? i know. thats why they are all stars. none of them bullied allen, despite perfomring well. Allen outplayed BAM in 1 of the meetings

This is still a super limited sample size. Anyone with eyes can see Allen still needs to bulk up. And until he does, it's going to be a concern. Especially in the playoffs where he got completely roasted less than a year ago.

It is 0.0% concern. only someone how doesnt watch, doesnt understand basketball or has an agenda vs allen (you defintiely fit in here) would know that. last year is irrelevant. this isnt last year. Allen has beasted, denied the biggest guys at the rim, raised his rebiyunding and no longer gives up ground in the post. Allen is the most dependable thing we have outside kyrie and a reason to be optomistic come playoffs

but hey tell us what someone did vs allen in 2012 in a high school game when he was 160 lbs. thats as relevant as embiid vs allen this year

[MGrand15]

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You were responding to my point about the playoffs saying it wasn't remotely true. I give you overwhelming data for someone we'll have to get through in the playoffs but OK.

Your concern was about this years playoffs. there is no reason to be concerned he will be bullied because this year he has not been pushed around. last year he was. he has made enormous strides. For us to have to face embiid, it would need to be in the eastern conference finals as they are on the bottom half of the opposite side of the bracket.

All Star center stats vs. Nets this year:

Rudy Gobert - 20 PPG, 16.5 RPG, 2.5 APG - TS% 75.8 - 2 Ls
Bam Adebayo - 19.5 PPG, 11 RPG, 2.0 APG - TS% 63.0 - 1 L 1 W
Domantas Sabonis - 22.5 PPG, 13 RPG, 3.5 APG - TS% 60.0 - 2 Ls
Nikola Jokic - 21 PPG, 10.5 PPG, 4.5 APG - TS% 58.5 - 1 L 1 W

All-stars played well vs us? i know. thats why they are all stars. none of them bullied allen, despite perfomring well. Allen outplayed BAM in 1 of the meetings

This is still a super limited sample size. Anyone with eyes can see Allen still needs to bulk up. And until he does, it's going to be a concern. Especially in the playoffs where he got completely roasted less than a year ago.

It is 0.0% concern. only someone how doesnt watch, doesnt understand basketball or has an agenda vs allen (you defintiely fit in here) would know that. last year is irrelevant. this isnt last year. Allen has beasted, denied the biggest guys at the rim, raised his rebiyunding and no longer gives up ground in the post. Allen is the most dependable thing we have outside kyrie and a reason to be optomistic come playoffs

but hey tell us what someone did vs allen in 2012 in a high school game when he was 160 lbs. thats as relevant as embiid vs allen this year

Yeah huge agenda saying that a 21 year old might struggle in the playoffs. You got me buddy.

You're acting like I'm advocating replacing Allen with a scrub. Or some old vet. Capela is 25. He's been a better scorer and rebounder than JA. He's played on a team that constantly forces him to switch out onto the perimeter. He's been the only rim protector on the Rockets for the last 3 years.

[Prokorov]

Yeah huge agenda saying that a 21 year old might struggle in the playoffs. You got me buddy.

Not stuggle, get bullied by bigger players

You're acting like I'm advocating replacing Allen with a scrub. Or some old vet. Capela is 25. He's been a better scorer and rebounder than JA. He's played on a team that constantly forces him to switch out onto the perimeter. He's been the only rim protector on the Rockets for the last 3 years.

There is nothing capella does better than Allen other then rebound and it is marginal. Capella has been a trainwreck in the playoffs and a big part of why Houston could never get over the hump.

there is a reason the rockets are going with a 6'5" Forward at center over capella

[Paradise]

Yes, there’s also reasons why it won’t work either.

[MrDollarBills]

Wow what awesome data... only 1 problem: Allen has played ZERO minutes vs. Embiid this season. zip, zilch, nada.

So your proof that Allen is getting pushed around this year and bullied by bigger players is to post data on how he fares vs a guy who didnt play a second vs. the nets this season? Why not post a comparison of Allen vs. Wilt or Shaq? because those guys played the same amount of minutes vs allen that embiid did. Allen has been somehwere between solid and veyr good against bigger players this year. Your bias is showing with nonsense like this

You were responding to my point about the playoffs saying it wasn't remotely true. I give you overwhelming data for someone we'll have to get through in the playoffs but OK.

All Star center stats vs. Nets this year:

Rudy Gobert - 20 PPG, 16.5 RPG, 2.5 APG - TS% 75.8 - 2 Ls
Bam Adebayo - 19.5 PPG, 11 RPG, 2.0 APG - TS% 63.0 - 1 L 1 W
Domantas Sabonis - 22.5 PPG, 13 RPG, 3.5 APG - TS% 60.0 - 2 Ls
Nikola Jokic - 21 PPG, 10.5 PPG, 4.5 APG - TS% 58.5 - 1 L 1 W

Monster games from Damian Jones, Steven Adams, Thomas Bryant, etc.

This is still a super limited sample size. Anyone with eyes can see Allen still needs to bulk up. And until he does, it's going to be a concern. Especially in the playoffs where he got completely roasted less than a year ago.

Of course you're not concerned. You think the team right now without KD is the 2nd best team in the East. Zero development needed. No one else agrees.

To be fair, the 4 names you listed are doing that kind of damage to everyone in the league. Especially Jokic and Sabonis who are probably two of the hardest bigs to defend in the league due to how skilled they are.

Also, with Bam, the first meeting he went off, but Allen played him straight up in the 2nd game and not only did we win but Allen dropped 11/11/1/1 on 5-6FG and was a +24 on the night.

Now another name you listed was Thomas Bryant (who I think is an underrated player) and if I'm not mistaken Bryant was coming in on the 2nd unit so we would need to see how that broke down about who allowed what. Even then, Allen still dropped 13/15/5asts/2blks on good efficiency in that game (which we got screwed when Beal injured Irving because he's a dick).

Allen needs to bulk up, I'm with you there but I still see improvement on his end and frankly he is the least of the Nets' concerns. With Allen, DJ and Claxton I'm not worried about center. I'm worried about consistency and production from the wing, which have been abysmal this season. Let's hope that Caris LeVert has finally woken up because if not imo that's a bigger problem than anything Allen is doing right now.