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Post#121 » by gigantes » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:00 am

LOUiS-D wrote:I dunno. Sometimes I think people like Kenny can be too earnest and place too much of a burden of responsibility on themselves. Obviously this is speculation, but I think what he needs is someone to put full confidence in him and talk him off the ledge everyone now and then. I care more about the continuity of the team than championships. We've done the coaching carousel. In my uninformed opinion Kenny was good enough to ride or die with. It was way too early for him to fall on his sword.

Ah well.

Agreed on pretty much all of that. I do suspect Marks did a good job 'talking Kenny off the ledge' when necessary. I seem to recall one or both of them talking about scenarios like that a couple years ago.

I wanna say-- I've also had more than one job in which I wanted out not because of any one thing. Not my boss or certain people, or ambition, or a particularly tough assignment. More like little-to-medium things that added up over time. Sometimes that's enough.

Still, if Kenny felt like he wasn't being heard as much, and we have other reports saying some players wanted him gone, this probably isn't super-complicated. Now maybe it would have been fine just plowing through that regardless, but like you were saying, I don't think Kenny would have found that acceptable in the long run.

Pretty damn sad, but it sounds like Kenny wanted what was best for the team just as much as he wanted what was best for himself, and both things involved the same action.
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Post#122 » by Nondescript » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:15 am

This week has been tough for me
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Post#123 » by MGrand15 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:19 am

LOUiS-D wrote:I find it pretty fken suspect that Din had 2 2pt field goal attempts and got to the line ONCE while hoisting 0 for 7 from 3 in that Memphis game, 1 game after he's benched for Chiozza in the 4th in a comeback victory.

I respect din. I think he's a smart, dude. Sometimes I think he lacks perspective and wisdom and I think he does **** that his future self would lovingly slap the **** out of him for.

Like I don't think he's a guy who the organisation would change directions on this magnitude for. But I think he is a guy that would get in other players ears and lobby for what he thinks is best.

Obviously all speculation.


No doubt in my mind Spence was a part of this. A few days ago I said that it felt like he was doing a mini-protest once LeVert came back in the starting lineup. Like he was upset about LeVert getting the keys to the offense.

His presser today sealed it.
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Post#124 » by NetsJets » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:32 am

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GTR11 wrote:I have no doubt Din been involved as well. I know it's hard to believe because he had great success under Kenny but he's also close with Kyrie. Don't underestimate Kyrie here, he just got elected to NBAPA with Temple already in it.

It’s possible no doubt. But it’s hard to see it being him. I can see Kyrie and KD with maybe guys like Chandler, Temple, Prince and Kurucs wanting Kenny gone.

If management is listening to SCRUBS like Prince and Temple, we're going down a big, dark, long hole.

I've been furious all day at this news. I still can't wrap my head around it.

It may be indirectly it’s nothing for guys to get in the ear of the guys with actual sway (KD, Kyrie, DJ)
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Post#125 » by NetsJets » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:33 am

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LOUiS-D wrote:I find it pretty fken suspect that Din had 2 2pt field goal attempts and got to the line ONCE while hoisting 0 for 7 from 3 in that Memphis game, 1 game after he's benched for Chiozza in the 4th in a comeback victory.

I respect din. I think he's a smart, dude. Sometimes I think he lacks perspective and wisdom and I think he does **** that his future self would lovingly slap the **** out of him for.

Like I don't think he's a guy who the organisation would change directions on this magnitude for. But I think he is a guy that would get in other players ears and lobby for what he thinks is best.

Obviously all speculation.


No doubt in my mind Spence was a part of this. A few days ago I said that it felt like he was doing a mini-protest once LeVert came back in the starting lineup. Like he was upset about LeVert getting the keys to the offense.

His presser today sealed it.

Kinda sad considering that Kenny used to be biased towards him over Russell.
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Post#126 » by DarkXaero » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:44 am

MrDollarBills wrote:The optics of this look TERRIBLE.

Zach Lowe is stating that there were issues surrounding DeAndre Jordan coming off the bench for Jarrett Allen that led to Kenny getting fired. Now I'll be blunt, I think Jarrett's play has been inconsistent, but if that has something to do with Kenny's firing I really am losing confidence in how successful we will be with KD, Kyrie, and DJ if drama is going to be happening and guys aren't willing to make sacrifices.

We look bad right now. Like seriously bad.
Did you read that Reddit post? Because it was supposedly extremely misleading.

Here's a response to it:

Lowe mentions that the three of them joined to play together, and Jordan coming off the bench would inhibit how often that's happening once everyone's healthy.

Lowe repeatedly praises Jordan for being a professional and says he doubts Jordan was speaking to ownership or undermining the coach because of it.

This post really is a misrepresentation of what Lowe was saying. They spent a decent amount of time saying that if KD or Kyrie really wanted him there, he'd still be there, but that's different from them actively pushing him out. They also highlight that Atkinson is seen as a player development kinda guy. The Nets have huge expectations for next season and right now he's unproven as that kind of coach. They contrast it with the Heat keeping Spo. You have a good coach but great expectations. You either keep your good coach in hopes he'll improve to be a great coach or you fire him and take the risk of downgrading from a good coach to a mediocre coach.

They talk about a lot of factors. Team chemistry is part of it. Rotations are a part of the team chemistry issues. Jordan being benched is part of the rotation issues. To represent it like that was the make or break here is disingenuous.



On top of all that, this is mostly just speculation from Lowe, and not stuff that he's actually heard.
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Post#127 » by DarkXaero » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:46 am

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LOUiS-D wrote:I find it pretty fken suspect that Din had 2 2pt field goal attempts and got to the line ONCE while hoisting 0 for 7 from 3 in that Memphis game, 1 game after he's benched for Chiozza in the 4th in a comeback victory.

I respect din. I think he's a smart, dude. Sometimes I think he lacks perspective and wisdom and I think he does **** that his future self would lovingly slap the **** out of him for.

Like I don't think he's a guy who the organisation would change directions on this magnitude for. But I think he is a guy that would get in other players ears and lobby for what he thinks is best.

Obviously all speculation.


No doubt in my mind Spence was a part of this. A few days ago I said that it felt like he was doing a mini-protest once LeVert came back in the starting lineup. Like he was upset about LeVert getting the keys to the offense.

His presser today sealed it.


Of the three players that addressed reporters, Dinwiddie was the lone player at the time to have reached out to Atkinson to thank him for everything he’s done for him. LeVert plans to reach out soon and only preferred to talk about his relationship with Atkinson instead of the team’s. He didn’t sense any change in communication between Atkinson and the team this season, but added that with a lot of newcomers, it’s possible.


I think you guys are looking into something that's not there.
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Post#128 » by moonpie » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:57 am

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gigantes wrote:Watching Marks' press conference was crucial in settling me down. I'm still sad and upset, but that's life.

I think the key to understanding all this is that Kenny himself was evidently the one who felt the need to go as much as anyone else. It's just as much that he dumped the Nets as 'the Nets dumped him.' If he still wanted to be coaching here, he probably would be.

Parting ways now doesn't make sense from a narrative standpoint, but I can see the sense in Kenny de-stressing in preparation for his next gig, and I can see the sense in a 20-game experiment in Vaughn.

This isn't a happy day, but it sounds very much like this parting was going to happen no matter what. And now we have oodles of time to make the best possible coaching decision. It'll probably work out okay, and I don't remotely expect a drooling idiot like Mark Jackson to be hired. :P

I dunno. Sometimes I think people like Kenny can be too earnest and place too much of a burden of responsibility on themselves. Obviously this is speculation, but I think what he needs is someone to put full confidence in him and talk him off the ledge everyone now and then. I care more about the continuity of the team than championships. We've done the coaching carousel. In my uninformed opinion Kenny was good enough to ride or die with. It was way too early for him to fall on his sword.

Ah well.


Am reminded of Kenny's interview before D'angelo's first game back before the ASB where he credited DLO for keeping him positive and talking him off the ledge at times

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Post#129 » by LOUiS-D » Sun Mar 8, 2020 1:15 am

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Of the three players that addressed reporters, Dinwiddie was the lone player at the time to have reached out to Atkinson to thank him for everything he’s done for him. LeVert plans to reach out soon and only preferred to talk about his relationship with Atkinson instead of the team’s. He didn’t sense any change in communication between Atkinson and the team this season, but added that with a lot of newcomers, it’s possible.


I think you guys are looking into something that's not there.

I know man. I'm just sad and goin through all these grief stages like I knew Kenny personally and he's no longer with us. It's silly.
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Post#130 » by LOUiS-D » Sun Mar 8, 2020 1:15 am

moonpie wrote:Am reminded of Kenny's interview before D'angelo's first game back before the ASB where he credited DLO for keeping him positive and talking him off the ledge at times

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I didn't know that about DLo. Makes me love him even more.
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Post#131 » by FrenchNBAFan » Sun Mar 8, 2020 1:26 am

DLo
LeVert
Harris
Carroll
Allen

Coach: Kenny Atkinson

Sorry but that's my team :wink: :cry:
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Post#132 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Mar 8, 2020 1:53 am

DarkXaero wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:
LOUiS-D wrote:I find it pretty fken suspect that Din had 2 2pt field goal attempts and got to the line ONCE while hoisting 0 for 7 from 3 in that Memphis game, 1 game after he's benched for Chiozza in the 4th in a comeback victory.

I respect din. I think he's a smart, dude. Sometimes I think he lacks perspective and wisdom and I think he does **** that his future self would lovingly slap the **** out of him for.

Like I don't think he's a guy who the organisation would change directions on this magnitude for. But I think he is a guy that would get in other players ears and lobby for what he thinks is best.

Obviously all speculation.


No doubt in my mind Spence was a part of this. A few days ago I said that it felt like he was doing a mini-protest once LeVert came back in the starting lineup. Like he was upset about LeVert getting the keys to the offense.

His presser today sealed it.


Of the three players that addressed reporters, Dinwiddie was the lone player at the time to have reached out to Atkinson to thank him for everything he’s done for him. LeVert plans to reach out soon and only preferred to talk about his relationship with Atkinson instead of the team’s. He didn’t sense any change in communication between Atkinson and the team this season, but added that with a lot of newcomers, it’s possible.


I think you guys are looking into something that's not there.

People are reaching hard and reading into everything.

I watched Spencer’s interview and it was a typical Spencer interview.

He doesn’t give standard boilerplate responses like many other players. I didn’t find him disingenuous in any way. Reporters are trying to fish for information and sift through every nuance they can conceive of to understand why what happened happened.

People are looking at players, but my thoughts/concerns are about Tsai. The one thing Sean made absolutely clear is that ownership was involved in this decision. What made Tsai think it’s the right time to do this and does he already have replacement coaches in mind? I really hope he’s not meddling behind the scenes.
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Post#133 » by Papi_swav » Sun Mar 8, 2020 1:54 am

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vincecarter4pres wrote:I'd also like to add, there's probably a lot of Tsai influence going on right now. He may have a KD/Kyrie approved guy he has earmarked to takeover next season.

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Than again why extend Kenny before signing our star players. They'll try to hide player opinions for obvious reasons, but there is no way I'm going to buy it unless Kenny straight up says that.

I'm just reading rumors out there that Tsai was going behind Marks back and talking to players about Kenny for awhile now.

Marks might be gone next. Tsai might wind up being the second coming of James Dolan smh.

That would be the dumest move in history. Marks should be here for 10 more years for what he's done.
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Post#134 » by Paradise » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:02 am

Just to be clear.

This is all speculation. There’s nothing out here that’s factual except for the fact both sides agreed to part ways for whatever reason.

I think we need to first digest that part of it. Sean hasn’t BSed us for his entire tenure and I don’t think he would now. I think this was an elephant in the room for awhile now and ownership decided to make a move. It might’ve been discussed as soon as Tsai was brought in, tbh.

I’m still upset about it and the timing of it all but I do understand why it was made and I think ultimately Kenny may not have had the confidence to coach a team with a 50-60 win aspersion and as much as it’s easy to blame it on Kyrie, KD and DJ.

I think guys like Spencer, Prince, Allen, Rodi mentally checked out on him. I don’t know who they could’ve went to talk about a coaching change but some guys did definitely check out.
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Post#135 » by Prokorov » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:13 am

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This is insanely idiotic for so many reasons. Its hard to find good coaching. its even harder to find good coaches who are liked/loved by the players. we just threw one away. All that work to build culture here, and we just tossed away a huge part of that. And it doesnt look like players are happy. and former players (dudley, Dlo, Carroll) are killing this move.

The timing of the move is awful also. lame duck coach for 30 games?

I see only 3 possibilities:

1) Ownership meddled. didnt like our record or didnt like kenny
Seems unlikely. why be impatient now? why meddle now? 0 indication of this

2) Durant/Kyrie wanted kenny out. forced marks hand.
Seems unlikely. Both have praised kenny and the timing would be weird here. why not try and get him fired early?
why not do it closer to the offseason? neither guy is playing.


3) Marks is preparing to make wholesale changes. gutting the team in trades for stars and then tanking for picks as an asset. Kenny isnt the coach to tank with
This to me is the most likely. He is looking at a big more that will include dinwiddie, levert, allen, harris or some combination of that core. at that point, its a team of mercanaries and you look to bring in less of a coach and more of a manager/caterer to stars.
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Post#136 » by Papi_swav » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:15 am

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DarkXaero wrote:
halfHAVOC wrote:
Yeah even if that's ur opinion though lol what are you basing Dinwiddie's "big mouth and ego" off of? He just complain's on the court to refs too much but I haven't seen him indicate in anyway he's got a big ego or is a snake or something.
There really isn't anything to indicate what he's saying. Dinwiddie comes across as well spoken, and a likeable dude among NBA players. You can see it in his interactions with his teammates, and the things he says when it comes to prioritizing team. D Lo was just here at Barclays not long ago, calling Dinwiddie "my dude", hugging him, and talking to him at Barclays.


I've spoken to Dinwiddie directly and his business manager, all great guys. I had a positive interaction with Dinwiddie, so anything otherwise just seems like some unjustified haterade sippin'

Who are you ? Are u an insider ?
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Post#137 » by Prokorov » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:15 am

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After the interim.

Who knows


Which is why I hate this move at the moment. Who's out there?


with kenny out the move is hiring a guy who can manage/cater not coach. former player more likely. someone like Tyronne Lue. someone who will let the stars call the shots
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Post#138 » by Prokorov » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:16 am

NetsJets wrote:Prokhorov when he sees this news

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Pretty much spot on.

from the looks of it, they both knew it was gonna happen at the end of the season, marks did him a solid to get him out there looking for the next job sooner?
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Re: The Nets and Kenny Atkinson part ways 

Post#139 » by Papi_swav » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:18 am

DarkXaero wrote:
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Paradise wrote:I wouldn’t buy into that only because it seems like Kenny’s stubbornness on analytics might’ve cost him the job.

I think Marks is still firmly in a good place here under ownership but I think it’s very realistic to believe Kenny and Sean began to have creative differences on the future of the offense and end of game strategy.

It’s nothing short term that led up to this. This was something Marks claimed they’ve went “back and forth” on before so I’d assume they had “hypothetical” plans of how to incorporate two superstars into this current system and the lack of success offensively and inconsistent effort probably didn’t help the cause and I pretty much think the benching of Prince broke the camels back. I thought it was an odd move tbh but I totally understood it.


Taurean Prince deserved to be demoted. He has been terrible.

Honestly I still don't know what to make of this but clearly something has been going on and it may not have anything to do with Kyrie, but the media and fans have already made up their minds.

This season is a disaster. We can officially say it now. A complete disaster
I think there was only one person who was in complete denial about that. He'll still probably find a way to deny it.

I called it 3 months ago. It seems now everybody can see the writing on the wall but that one person . I'm interested to see his thoughts. He went to bat for Kenny numerous times.
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Post#140 » by Prokorov » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:18 am

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MGrand15 wrote:Anyone that thought last night's crazy win would shift the momentum of the team at all was dead wrong. Team was 100% not interested in playing at all. Disgusting effort.

Kenny's really gonna have to re-evaluate everything on this team. Since the all star break, we've been terrible. Honestly starting to feel like Kenny is losing the team. Has nothing to do with Xs and Os when you lose like this. This was a casual blowout.


the idea that "kenny lost the team" or anything like that is also nonsense. and just highlights again how this board is just full of the most emotional, knee-jerk fans of any board on this forum but a longshot. The idea that this team is somehow different after the all-star break is also absurd. This team is playing the exact same basketball with the exact same high effort, with the exact same buy-in to the system and coaching. since the ASB:

-Overtime loss to philly
-Blowout win over the hornets
-2 point loss to orlando (lost on final possession)
-4 point loss to wiz (chance to tie on final possession)
-Blowout loss to the hawks
-3 point loss to miami (chance to tie/win on final possession)
-Overtime win over boston, huge comeback
-blowout loss to memphis

Since the break we have played 5 playoff teams. 4 of those were super tight, 2 went to overtime, and we beat boston. We had a blowout win over the hornets and loss to atlanta. and then the obvious loss on 2nd of a back to back with travel after an OT game.

yeah the atlanta loss in that fashion is inexcusable, but outside of that we have played extremely competitive against very good teams. The only real letdown is kyrie is hurt and we have no one we can count on to close those games out.

like did you expect us to go 5-0 vs. playoff team with no Kyrie?


You see what I was talking about now? It really sucks. I loved Kenny and while I was disappointed with certain moves he made - I felt that the good outweighed the bad. But I saw the bad signs. From the players to the coaches, no one was happy.


You could very well be right... but i just dont see it. i didnt see a team that didnt buy in and i saw a team that loved their coach.

Although maybe it was more of a "kenny is a great dude and i love him but we need someone else to get a ring" type thing?

Who weve heard from so far were suprised and upset (levert/harris)

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