Harden-watch 2020

[DarkXaero]

Pooch isn't a liar at all, but I doubt he's well connected enough to know this before any of the big names. Not taking it seriously.

He was the first with KD & Kyrie.

He reported their interest in Brooklyn, he didn't say that it was a done deal. And I give him credit for that but this is very different.

[Paradise]

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Not trusting that source and I’m surprised Pooch would jump the gun like that. Rookje
move, kid.

[MrDollarBills]

Pooch isn't a liar at all, but I doubt he's well connected enough to know this before any of the big names. Not taking it seriously.

I don't know, Pooch isn't just some dude who has a track record for making up stuff just for clicks. I will give him the benefit of a doubt that he is hearing something from someone in the know with the Nets.

[Prokorov]

Pooch isn't a liar at all, but I doubt he's well connected enough to know this before any of the big names. Not taking it seriously.

I think accountability matters.

Woj cant get it wrong.
Shams cant get it wrong.

if pooch is wrong whatever who the hell is he. if he gets it he was the first to break it. so if his sources say it he runs with it. for Woj he has more direct sources and would probably need it from the GM, agent, or player

[MrDollarBills]

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Not trusting that source and I’m surprised Pooch would jump the gun like that. Rookje
move, kid.

We've seen Pooch around for awhile and I have yet to see him jump the gun. If he's wrong, he's staking a lot on this since he's still trying to work his way up to be able to work a beat. I'll wait and see before saying that he's talking out of his ass.

[Paradise]

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Not trusting that source and I’m surprised Pooch would jump the gun like that. Rookje
move, kid.

We've seen Pooch around for awhile and I have yet to see him jump the gun. If he's wrong, he's staking a lot on this since he's still trying to work his way up to be able to work a beat. I'll wait and see before saying that he's talking out of his ass.

Damn. You’re right but Marks is a a wizard with sealed lips on trade talks.

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[MrDollarBills]

NBA insider Ric Bucher dropped the bombshell revelation on "The Odd Couple" podcast this week ... saying Tilman Fertitta's ties to the Republican party and Trump have created a massive divide in the org.

According to Bucher ... players and staffers have disagreed so heavily with Tilman's donations to the Trump campaign -- it's created a straight-up "revolt."

"What I heard is," Bucher said, "and we know how much politics and political position had to do with the boycott and protests during the Bubble -- I'm hearing that Tilman Fertitta’s strong Republican support and donations is one of the things that is contributing to this dissatisfaction."

https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/17/james-harden-houston-rockets-ric-bucher-revolt-tillman-fertitta/

If the above is true it makes me want harden even more.

Makes me like all of the Rockets who are pissed off at him.

I don't think there's a place in the NBA for owners like that. Not in this current climate. You are either on the side of decency or you're not, political parties be damned. If you're going to openly advertise that you're in bed with Trump, well you will reap what you sow. This isn't the NFL.

[Netaman]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

[MrDollarBills]

Not trusting that source and I’m surprised Pooch would jump the gun like that. Rookje
move, kid.

We've seen Pooch around for awhile and I have yet to see him jump the gun. If he's wrong, he's staking a lot on this since he's still trying to work his way up to be able to work a beat. I'll wait and see before saying that he's talking out of his ass.

Damn. You’re right but Marks is a a wizard with sealed lips on trade talks.

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I agree, but this situation is different because it is clear that Harden's camp opened the flood gates to box Houston into a corner. So it wouldn't shock me if it's an open secret that the Nets and Rockets are working on a deal quickly due to the short time table.

The Covington trade also was a dead giveaway.

[DarkXaero]

Pooch isn't a liar at all, but I doubt he's well connected enough to know this before any of the big names. Not taking it seriously.

I think accountability matters.

Woj cant get it wrong.
Shams cant get it wrong.

if pooch is wrong whatever who the hell is he. if he gets it he was the first to break it. so if his sources say it he runs with it. for Woj he has more direct sources and would probably need it from the GM, agent, or player

That is a fair point, the likes of Woj and Shams can't run with rumors, they need multiple/strong sources to verify their info before they run with stories. Lets just hope Pooch's sources are right on this, it does line up with what the Clippers reporter (Farbod) has said.

[DarkXaero]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

I'm ecstatic about the possibility of having an actual superteam in the NBA, that would be favorites to win the title.

[halfHAVOC]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

I want Harden, even though he's choked in the playoffs, he's one of the most durable stars in the league and with Kyrie and KD's injury concerns we could go long stretches relying on him.

[MrDollarBills]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

I'm ecstatic about the possibility of having an actual superteam in the NBA, that would be favorites to win the title.

And a championship run opens the door up for Brooklyn to become a destination beyond 2024 if other players see that Sean Marks is running a top organization with an owner that is willing to spend. At that point, we are no longer selling players on culture or amenities, we are selling a track record of RESULTS.

If Marks takes us from what he started with to a super team champion that knocks off Lebron James within the next 3 seasons, the Nets become the #1 destination in the Eastern Conference.

[Netaman]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

I'm ecstatic about the possibility of having an actual superteam in the NBA, that would be favorites to win the title.

Maybe but it's not exactly the Heat when Lebron was 26, Bosh was 26, and Wade was 28 - none coming off major injuries.

KD is coming back from what will be a near 2 year hiatus at 32, Kyrie is coming off another year that ended with surgery, and Harden while the healthiest of the 3 is 31.

So while I completely get it, it's a chance to be a title favorite that may not exist otherwise. But it's also an extremely tight window with a lot more risk than the Heat or even the Lakers adding Lebron + 26 year old AD.

Emptying out future assets that could have been part of keeping the organization afloat and established something akin to the Spurs model post-KD, Levert in particular, just seems like a bad idea. Especially seeing the price tag for Jrue.

JMO but I'd rather keep Levert and angle for role players like Ibaka around the already existing big 2.

[Netaman]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

I'm ecstatic about the possibility of having an actual superteam in the NBA, that would be favorites to win the title.

And a championship run opens the door up for Brooklyn to become a destination beyond 2024 if other players see that Sean Marks is running a top organization with an owner that is willing to spend. At that point, we are no longer selling players on culture or amenities, we are selling a track record of RESULTS.

If Marks takes us from what he started with to a super team champion that knocks off Lebron James within the next 3 seasons, the Nets become the #1 destination in the Eastern Conference.

Don't they already appear to be the #1 destination in the EC? KD and Kyrie chose Brooklyn. Harden seemingly wants Brooklyn.

For however long this window remains open it's more important the Nets choose the next moves wisely because if they don't it will come crashing down. So I'm not sure it's worth emptying the cupboard for anyone north of 30 right now.

[Prokorov]

Is anyone else not enthused about selling the farm for Harden?

I want Harden, even though he's choked in the playoffs, he's one of the most durable stars in the league and with Kyrie and KD's injury concerns we could go long stretches relying on him.

Harden "chocking" in the playoffs is overstated. he had 2 really poor game 7's (vs. elite teams) but he was also a big reason those series went 7 games. i mean they lost to the durant warriors in 7 and he balled out that series outside of game 7.
he has played 125 playoff games at an elite level overall.

[Prokorov]

I'm ecstatic about the possibility of having an actual superteam in the NBA, that would be favorites to win the title.

And a championship run opens the door up for Brooklyn to become a destination beyond 2024 if other players see that Sean Marks is running a top organization with an owner that is willing to spend. At that point, we are no longer selling players on culture or amenities, we are selling a track record of RESULTS.

If Marks takes us from what he started with to a super team champion that knocks off Lebron James within the next 3 seasons, the Nets become the #1 destination in the Eastern Conference.

Don't they already appear to be the #1 destination in the EC? KD and Kyrie chose Brooklyn. Harden seemingly wants Brooklyn.

For however long this window remains open it's more important the Nets choose the next moves wisely because if they don't it will come crashing down. So I'm not sure it's worth emptying the cupboard for anyone north of 30 right now.

I dont think it comes crashing down at all. even if we give up 5 picks, we still retain 2 picks in the swap years. it isnt 5 years with no picks. at the end of kyrie/KD/Durant we can likely sell them off for 25 cents on the dollar, which gets us something. it would also open up cap room and we are now a premier destination.

I mean, when it "came crashing down" last time we turned Lin and shane larking into KD/Durant with no picks and no cap so,,,, how bad does it really get?

[therealbig3]

What about some reports out there about how Kyrie doesn't want to play with Harden, and this is more of a KD thing?

Not sure if it's something to totally dismiss...I mean we can all agree that Kyrie does have an ego, and if he's really not on board with this, that could definitely cause issues. Makes it much less likely he's willing to defer and do what's for the good of the team.

It's different if both him and Durant are actively asking for Harden, but this would be different.

[DarkXaero]

What about some reports out there about how Kyrie doesn't want to play with Harden, and this is more of a KD thing?

Not sure if it's something to totally dismiss...I mean we can all agree that Kyrie does have an ego, and if he's really not on board with this, that could definitely cause issues. Makes it much less likely he's willing to defer and do what's for the good of the team.

It's different if both him and Durant are actively asking for Harden, but this would be different.

Already dismissed by Scoop B, who actually has a strong source inside Kyrie's camp. In addition, Woj has already said that Harden had conversations in LA with BOTH KD and Kyrie. Kyrie and Harden are friends off the court. I think it's absolute bs that Kyrie wouldn't want Harden here or that we make the trade without Kyrie's blessing.

[Paradise]

What about some reports out there about how Kyrie doesn't want to play with Harden, and this is more of a KD thing?

Not sure if it's something to totally dismiss...I mean we can all agree that Kyrie does have an ego, and if he's really not on board with this, that could definitely cause issues. Makes it much less likely he's willing to defer and do what's for the good of the team.

It's different if both him and Durant are actively asking for Harden, but this would be different.

It’s fake news. You can even see Kyrie and Harden hug and dap each other up (gang signs) at the end of the Rockets-Nets game last November.

Kyrie has be in on the idea with KD for this to get pushed from all fronts this quickly.

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