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Post#121 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 4, 2021 7:06 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:Killa Cam is so smooth with it, he looks like a veteran out there already. Some of the moves reminded me of Joe Johnson a tiny bit. Loved what I saw from the guys.


I think a less dumb Nic Young is what he looks like... which isnt a bad thing.


He has such a great touch at all three levels. I think the main thing for him will be

1) Can he function primarily as a catch and shoot scorer for now? Can't have the ball in his hands like he does in these meaningless games.

2) Can he commit to becoming a better defender?

If he can do those two things, I say next season we see him on the floor more.

I just don't see him cracking the rotation this season if we stay healthy. The kid can score his ass off but we really don't need that.
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Post#122 » by Prokorov » Mon Oct 4, 2021 7:50 pm

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Prokorov wrote:This was an entertaining game for a preseason contest without Kyrie, Harden, KD, Lebron, etc.... Here were my thoughts:

1) Carter/Bembry are absolute DOGS. These guys IMO will have a bigger impact then guys like Milsap or Aldridge. They more then anyone add a dimension we did not have last year. Physical defensive guards that guard end to end and give opposing small ball handlers fits. There will be no more Sexton or Lavine going off no resistance. If this was the bulldog effort we got in preseason i cant wait for playoff intensity versions of those 2.

2) Brown hitting threes put a smile on my face. he said he was working on it this offseason. its 1 preseason game and three point shooting is about consistency over 82 games/150 attemps. so i wont knee jerk. but he shot those with confidence. If he can hit 34-35% or better he becomes much more valuable

3) Cam Thomas looked impressive. I put 0 stock in summer league, so I was excited for what i considered my first real look... playing with NBA players, against NBA players, with bigs on the floor. He looked as good as you could hope. Would like to curb some of the long step back 2's, but if he can get to the line like this like he did in college thats gonna be great. Like nash said, how the rotation shakes out is gonna be tough, we have so much scoring and mills/harris may also come off the bench and defenders should and will play. but im sure injury/rest will get him plenty of time over the year.

4) Sharpe didnt really play at a time or vs a lineup that made me able to really comment. he looked good for what id label preseason garbage minutes

5) Claxton looked good matched up multiple times with AD. it will be me bitching all year if he sits for LMA. This kid needs minutes. he is all-nba type defense right now

6) Milsap/Aldridge didnt look a step slower then i saw them last, which is encouraging at their age. I have 0 doubts Milsap will repace greens shooting at the 4


I told yall about Bembry and Carter. Straight up attack PITBULLS. :lol: the added bonus is that Carter is actually a decent shooter from three, and Bembry has some decent ball handle and is a good cutter, so they won't be liabilities on offense (not that we need them to score).

re: Cam I agree, based on what Nash said I don't think he's going to get much burn this season due to just how stacked we are offensively and guys like Carter, Bembry, JJ etc need to play. He just needs to stay ready

Milsap is a clear upgrade from Green. Way more physical, bigger and hits the glass.



I think with alot of the guys they wont carve out an every day role but 10-40 games they will get big minutes with rest/injury
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Post#123 » by ecuhus1981 » Mon Oct 4, 2021 11:01 pm

Prokorov wrote:This was an entertaining game for a preseason contest without Kyrie, Harden, KD, Lebron, etc.... Here were my thoughts:

1) Carter/Bembry are absolute DOGS. These guys IMO will have a bigger impact then guys like Milsap or Aldridge. They more then anyone add a dimension we did not have last year. Physical defensive guards that guard end to end and give opposing small ball handlers fits. There will be no more Sexton or Lavine going off no resistance. If this was the bulldog effort we got in preseason i cant wait for playoff intensity versions of those 2.

2) Brown hitting threes put a smile on my face. he said he was working on it this offseason. its 1 preseason game and three point shooting is about consistency over 82 games/150 attemps. so i wont knee jerk. but he shot those with confidence. If he can hit 34-35% or better he becomes much more valuable

3) Cam Thomas looked impressive. I put 0 stock in summer league, so I was excited for what i considered my first real look... playing with NBA players, against NBA players, with bigs on the floor. He looked as good as you could hope. Would like to curb some of the long step back 2's, but if he can get to the line like this like he did in college thats gonna be great. Like nash said, how the rotation shakes out is gonna be tough, we have so much scoring and mills/harris may also come off the bench and defenders should and will play. but im sure injury/rest will get him plenty of time over the year.

4) Sharpe didnt really play at a time or vs a lineup that made me able to really comment. he looked good for what id label preseason garbage minutes

5) Claxton looked good matched up multiple times with AD. it will be me bitching all year if he sits for LMA. This kid needs minutes. he is all-nba type defense right now

6) Milsap/Aldridge didnt look a step slower then i saw them last, which is encouraging at their age. I have 0 doubts Milsap will repace greens shooting at the 4

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It's been awhile since your opinion and mine have been simpatico. I was not able to watch the game live (work), but in the replays I saw, Nic held his own defensively. He's still a fish out of water without a great playmaker to spoonfeed him scoring chances, but with James, we know he's nails.

I'm amped about Duke and especially Bembry. Wing stoppers are worth their weight in gold come the postseason.

I agree that Paul is a more positive contributor than Green, all due respect to Uncle Jeffy.

My only concern is, who do we cut/trade? Sekou has a weird game, and he's buried behind vets. But, you can't take anything away from him based on yesterday's game, he was relentless on both ends.
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Post#124 » by akhan786 » Tue Oct 5, 2021 2:35 am

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I think the smaller guards that overly on this (Curry, Trae, Lillard) will be more negatively affected by this change than Harden. Harden does have to change his game but I feel like it’s a rule that will make him more disciplined and even better.

Kyrie on the other hand has never had to rely on this baiting crutch that have inflated guard stats in the 2010s
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Post#125 » by LOUiS-D » Tue Oct 5, 2021 6:28 am

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I think the smaller guards that overly on this (Curry, Trae, Lillard) will be more negatively affected by this change than Harden. Harden does have to change his game but I feel like it’s a rule that will make him more disciplined and even better.

Kyrie on the other hand has never had to rely on this baiting crutch that have inflated guard stats in the 2010s

KD, Brook and Kevin Martin used to abuse the rip through cheese. I don't think it seriously impacted them when they changed the rule. Curry still could've drained that shot going straight up and down, he just hasn't weened himself off the lean cheese yet.
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Post#126 » by Papi_swav » Tue Oct 5, 2021 7:31 am

One thing we will miss about Jeff Green is his transition play. He was great in transition and usually led to a nice layup or dunk.
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Post#127 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 5, 2021 1:13 pm

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I think the smaller guards that overly on this (Curry, Trae, Lillard) will be more negatively affected by this change than Harden. Harden does have to change his game but I feel like it’s a rule that will make him more disciplined and even better.

Kyrie on the other hand has never had to rely on this baiting crutch that have inflated guard stats in the 2010s


Kyrie doesn't foul bait but he routinely gets hammered at the rim and the refs don't call it because he doesn't act like someone shot him, like Kyle Lowry does.
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Post#129 » by MGrand15 » Tue Oct 5, 2021 1:49 pm

Loved what I saw from the young guys and the role players. Preseason doesn't matter obviously but we clearly added a lot of toughness and grit. Carter, Bembry, and Millsap are dogs. Bruce looked confident in his 3pt shot.

I really hope we can keep Edwards and Duke around somehow. I think those guys can be legit rotation players one day.

I actually think Cam Thomas is gonna have a bigger role than people think. There's going to be enough games where only 2 of the big 3 play (potentially every home game lol) or even 2 or 3 of them are out. Outside of the big 3, I think he's our best perimeter creator already. We don't need him if everyone's healthy but I don't feel good about seeing that for 60+ games this year.
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Post#131 » by Sharcm1 » Tue Oct 5, 2021 9:02 pm

It is already starting to effect the team. Without Irving being able to practice with the team during training camp he will not be able to gain that consistency with his teammates.
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Post#132 » by Papi_swav » Tue Oct 5, 2021 9:29 pm

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I think the smaller guards that overly on this (Curry, Trae, Lillard) will be more negatively affected by this change than Harden. Harden does have to change his game but I feel like it’s a rule that will make him more disciplined and even better.

Kyrie on the other hand has never had to rely on this baiting crutch that have inflated guard stats in the 2010s


Kyrie doesn't foul bait but he routinely gets hammered at the rim and the refs don't call it because he doesn't act like someone shot him, like Kyle Lowry does.

That is very true, I also have a large amount of respect for Kyrie for not flopping and foul baiting like other stars do. He plays the game right and clean, and he gets hacked so many times at the rim, everybody here knows it and sees it.

Harden since he's came to the Nets, I haven't really seen him flop honestly. And he definitely didn't foul bait as much as he did in Houston, he didn't really have to as much. I'm glad we don't have to see Trae goin got the line 20 times a game = ugly ball.
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Post#133 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 5, 2021 10:52 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
akhan786 wrote:
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I think the smaller guards that overly on this (Curry, Trae, Lillard) will be more negatively affected by this change than Harden. Harden does have to change his game but I feel like it’s a rule that will make him more disciplined and even better.

Kyrie on the other hand has never had to rely on this baiting crutch that have inflated guard stats in the 2010s


Kyrie doesn't foul bait but he routinely gets hammered at the rim and the refs don't call it because he doesn't act like someone shot him, like Kyle Lowry does.

That is very true, I also have a large amount of respect for Kyrie for not flopping and foul baiting like other stars do. He plays the game right and clean, and he gets hacked so many times at the rim, everybody here knows it and sees it.

Harden since he's came to the Nets, I haven't really seen him flop honestly. And he definitely didn't foul bait as much as he did in Houston, he didn't really have to as much. I'm glad we don't have to see Trae goin got the line 20 times a game = ugly ball.


Harden still draws fouls but he definitely didn't flop as much as I thought he would.

Even with the rule changes he will still bait guys into fouling
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Post#134 » by Paradise » Wed Oct 6, 2021 1:11 am

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Post#135 » by akhan786 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:12 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:
akhan786 wrote:
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I think the smaller guards that overly on this (Curry, Trae, Lillard) will be more negatively affected by this change than Harden. Harden does have to change his game but I feel like it’s a rule that will make him more disciplined and even better.

Kyrie on the other hand has never had to rely on this baiting crutch that have inflated guard stats in the 2010s


Kyrie doesn't foul bait but he routinely gets hammered at the rim and the refs don't call it because he doesn't act like someone shot him, like Kyle Lowry does.

That is very true, I also have a large amount of respect for Kyrie for not flopping and foul baiting like other stars do. He plays the game right and clean, and he gets hacked so many times at the rim, everybody here knows it and sees it.

Harden since he's came to the Nets, I haven't really seen him flop honestly. And he definitely didn't foul bait as much as he did in Houston, he didn't really have to as much. I'm glad we don't have to see Trae goin got the line 20 times a game = ugly ball.


I see it as a crutch because it’s a gimmick you do once other options are exhausted. Kyrie has almost limitless options to get a shot off AND actually is capable of making them.

Trae’s option B is to foul bait because he has an inferior/less complete skillset than Kyrie. At the same time, it’s intelligent to do it if the rules allow it.

BUT imo it only works in the regular season. Yes these kinds of players may only see a slight decrease in their FTA in the postseason, but if you watch them you can tell they are having to expend a lot more energy than they’re used to in getting a shot off. It’s like the radius of the forcefield provided them by regular season refs shrinks considerably. And when it’s 5 minutes left in a Conference Final/Finals game, these players usually disappoint.

It’s why I’m wary of people saying we don’t need Kyrie. It’s essential that we have Harden for the regular season who will literally carry us through the marathon that is more about analytics. But then it’s important we have Kyrie in the postseason when KD is going to need another killer by his side.
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Post#138 » by Claud » Fri Oct 8, 2021 7:08 pm

Kyrie, baby what is you doin... wtf.

Instead of having all of our focus on our first chip we have to deal with this bull from him.

Feels like every season it's something with him... starting to get exhausting.

Love Kyrie, but bro seriously need some better people around him.
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Post#139 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Oct 8, 2021 7:23 pm

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Post#140 » by Sharcm1 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 9:58 pm

Kyrie can practice now.

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