2023-24 Trade Deadline Thread

JoseRizal · Post #121 » by **JoseRizal** » Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:33 pm

In any scenario, I'd prefer keeping both Cam T & Clax.

I'm sick and tired of hiring mercenaries to represent our team. I would enjoy watching own drafted players blossom.

While both are not surefire building blocks, I believe building organically is still the way to go.

Trade Bridges to get back all our picks from Houston. Trade Cam J to Detroit. Let Ben expire.

As a Nets fan since 2000 and in my mid-40's, I should be an impatient fan. But witnessing 2 super team epic failures, I guess I'd rather go the OKC route..

Netaman · Post #122 » by **Netaman** » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:29 pm

JoseRizal wrote:In any scenario, I'd prefer keeping both Cam T & Clax.

I'm sick and tired of hiring mercenaries to represent our team. I would enjoy watching own drafted players blossom.

While both are not surefire building blocks, I believe building organically is still the way to go.

Trade Bridges to get back all our picks from Houston. Trade Cam J to Detroit. Let Ben expire.

As a Nets fan since 2000 and in my mid-40's, I should be an impatient fan. But witnessing 2 super team epic failures, I guess I'd rather go the OKC route..

Clax yes, CamT not as much.

His game would have to take a transformative leap in too many areas (defense, shooting, playmaking) to not be a liability for him to be worth any extension. And he doesn't have much time left to do that.

Not saying you give him away, but if there is a player good enough you want them here for multiple years like Murray may be, I have no issue moving him. I believe in Sharpe more than CamT going forward at this point. I still have more belief in CamJ even though he's had a down year.

vincecarter4pres · Post #123 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:06 pm

Hot take: If Trae plays defense every night like he did vs the Mavs last week, he’s actually not a bad defender, like at all. Average at worst overall, some things he excels at, some he is borderline bad at because of physical limitations.

Decipher · Post #124 » by **Decipher** » Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:51 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Hot take: If Trae plays defense every night like he did vs the Mavs last week, he’s actually not a bad defender, like at all. Average at worst overall, some things he excels at, some he is borderline bad at because of physical limitations.

Pretty sure that the analytics say he’s improved

Okay, it’s from a low base but ….

The main issue for the Hawks is that he’s surrounded by non complimentary pieces at both ends of the floor

Papi_swav · Post #125 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:22 am

Decipher wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Hot take: If Trae plays defense every night like he did vs the Mavs last week, he’s actually not a bad defender, like at all. Average at worst overall, some things he excels at, some he is borderline bad at because of physical limitations.

Pretty sure that the analytics say he’s improved

Okay, it’s from a low base but ….

The main issue for the Hawks is that he’s surrounded by non complimentary pieces at both ends of the floor

I just don't see a guy like Trae Young ever winning a chip or getting close to it, he's just not Steph, Steph is the exception. And I wouldn't want him here tbh .

vincecarter4pres · Post #126 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:57 am

Papi_swav wrote:
Decipher wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Hot take: If Trae plays defense every night like he did vs the Mavs last week, he’s actually not a bad defender, like at all. Average at worst overall, some things he excels at, some he is borderline bad at because of physical limitations.

Pretty sure that the analytics say he’s improved

Okay, it’s from a low base but ….

The main issue for the Hawks is that he’s surrounded by non complimentary pieces at both ends of the floor

I just don't see a guy like Trae Young ever winning a chip or getting close to it, he's just not Steph, Steph is the exception. And I wouldn't want him here tbh .

Don’t necessarily disagree. Don’t think you can win it all with him as your best player, don’t think he can win it all if he’s not. He’s hard to build around.

If you paired him with one of Tatum, Embiid, Giannis, swapped him in Harden’s place, with KD, or Jokic I think he could. But I don’t think he’d even win it all with Doncic, SGA, or LeBron.

If you could add him to New Orleans maybe though.

Would never say never, but he’s a hard star to build around.

Netaman · Post #127 » by **Netaman** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:35 pm

I think the move with Atlanta is to try a retool around Trae next year. He's 25 years old and signed for 2 more seasons before his ETO.

Johnson looks like a player and they are going to likely get themselves a top 10 pick in a few months. They liked Bufkin enough to pick him high. Snyder is a good coach and they have some movable/useful role players like Hunter, Bogs, Capela.

Is it a long shot that they draft/develop someone who can have a real secondary impact with Trae? Maybe. But why not take that chance? I don't think Trae's trade value changes meaningfully from this summer to next summer.

It seems clear a big component to moving murray is cost savings/fit. they see that this isnt working as is and it's expensive. their payroll next year is projected at 160m, so not far from the luxury tax, for a losing roster. if they traded murray straight up for dinwiddie that saves them 25m next year - and id imagine they think that scoring can be filled by some combo of bogs/bufkin plus whatever they bring back from murray.

I have to believe their main opposition to DLo comes from the fact that the savings would be significantly minimized if he opts into his option.

3pt_chucker · Post #128 » by **3pt_chucker** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:08 pm

Keeping an eye out for DSJ trade.

DSJ to the Bucks for '24 Portland 2nd makes somes sense for both teams.

Nets would need to get another PG but that could probably be acquired from a Dinwiddie trade.

Jkam31 · Post #129 » by **Jkam31** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:38 pm

Is Cam Johnson available and if so what would the price be?

TheNetsFan · Post #130 » by **TheNetsFan** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:41 pm

Jkam31 wrote:Is Cam Johnson available and if so what would the price be?

Probably not, but if he is. I would say similar to DFS's rumored price: value equivalent to 2 first round picks.

Papi_swav · Post #131 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:03 pm

Jkam31 wrote:Is Cam Johnson available and if so what would the price be?

just give us any value, I'll throw him your way IMO. IDK what the Nets think tho

Netaman · Post #132 » by **Netaman** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:53 pm

few interesting things:

betting odds have DFS' top 2 non-BKL landing spots as Miami and Dallas. Miami is tricky since they don't have much to trade in the way of picks and Jacquez obviously not going anywhere. So the tradeable assets are either spare parts like jovic, highsmith or would miami trade herro? originally I thought they wouldn't, but sounds like it's at least somewhat on the table because the herro/rozier backcourt isn't the greatest fit.

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If I had to choose between Murray or Herro to invest in for 4 years as an asset, I think I'd choose Herro. Trying to not be too heavily impacted by Ben's return, or the fact that Herro closed us out twice, but Herro is younger and I think the more stable asset since he's a great shooter. Worst case he's a much better version of Joe Harris. Fits well next to Ben since you want to surround him with shooters.

Some pretty easy 2 team trades with DFS + Dinwiddie or Royce for Herro + filler.

TheNetsFan · Post #133 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:25 am

Netaman wrote:few interesting things:

betting odds have DFS' top 2 non-BKL landing spots as Miami and Dallas. Miami is tricky since they don't have much to trade in the way of picks and Jacquez obviously not going anywhere. So the tradeable assets are either spare parts like jovic, highsmith or would miami trade herro? originally I thought they wouldn't, but sounds like it's at least somewhat on the table because the herro/rozier backcourt isn't the greatest fit.

Read on Twitter

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If I had to choose between Murray or Herro to invest in for 4 years as an asset, I think I'd choose Herro. Trying to not be too heavily impacted by Ben's return, or the fact that Herro closed us out twice, but Herro is younger and I think the more stable asset since he's a great shooter. Worst case he's a much better version of Joe Harris. Fits well next to Ben since you want to surround him with shooters.

Some pretty easy 2 team trades with DFS + Dinwiddie or Royce for Herro + filler.

A deal with Miami would include Herro. Unless he's going to a 3rd team, I would want no part of it.

Tha King · Post #134 » by **Tha King** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:31 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
Netaman wrote:few interesting things:

betting odds have DFS' top 2 non-BKL landing spots as Miami and Dallas. Miami is tricky since they don't have much to trade in the way of picks and Jacquez obviously not going anywhere. So the tradeable assets are either spare parts like jovic, highsmith or would miami trade herro? originally I thought they wouldn't, but sounds like it's at least somewhat on the table because the herro/rozier backcourt isn't the greatest fit.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

If I had to choose between Murray or Herro to invest in for 4 years as an asset, I think I'd choose Herro. Trying to not be too heavily impacted by Ben's return, or the fact that Herro closed us out twice, but Herro is younger and I think the more stable asset since he's a great shooter. Worst case he's a much better version of Joe Harris. Fits well next to Ben since you want to surround him with shooters.

Some pretty easy 2 team trades with DFS + Dinwiddie or Royce for Herro + filler.

A deal with Miami would include Herro. Unless he's going to a 3rd team, I would want no part of it.

yea t would have to be for Herro. I can see the appeal for the Heat because they are in a very tough salary spot going forward and DFS is exactly the type of defensive forward they need. To match salary they could also get Dinwiddie.

If there are no picks outgoing, I think Herro would be a good addition. I think he can be a lead guard offensively and if Simmons is a consistent part of the team, he'd be a great fit next to him.

Papi_swav · Post #135 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:44 am

lol guys, Pat Riley already said Herro is a part of his team for the future, he values him. He's not giving him away for DFS, please get real guys, be realistic. They can want DFS all they want but if it's not a 3 team trade where we get some value back then no way.

TheNetsFan · Post #136 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:53 am

Papi_swav wrote:lol guys, Pat Riley already said Herro is a part of his team for the future, he values him. He's not giving him away for DFS, please get real guys, be realistic. They can want DFS all they want but if it's not a 3 team trade where we get some value back then no way.

I don't believe Herro has a ton of value around the league.

Papi_swav · Post #137 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:59 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:lol guys, Pat Riley already said Herro is a part of his team for the future, he values him. He's not giving him away for DFS, please get real guys, be realistic. They can want DFS all they want but if it's not a 3 team trade where we get some value back then no way.

I don't believe Herro has a ton of value around the league.

not a ton but definitely more than DFS lol

TheNetsFan · Post #138 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:23 am

Papi_swav wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:lol guys, Pat Riley already said Herro is a part of his team for the future, he values him. He's not giving him away for DFS, please get real guys, be realistic. They can want DFS all they want but if it's not a 3 team trade where we get some value back then no way.

I don't believe Herro has a ton of value around the league.

not a ton but definitely more than DFS lol

I'm not sure about that. DFS is a seemless fit on any team, and plays a position in high demand. One dimensional scorers on big contracts that get hunted defensively have much more limited markets.

Tha King · Post #139 » by **Tha King** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:28 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I don't believe Herro has a ton of value around the league.

not a ton but definitely more than DFS lol

I'm not sure about that. DFS is a seemless fit on any team, and plays a position in high demand. One dimensional scorers on big contracts that get hunted defensively have much more limited markets.

In addition, DFS is on a great contract and is pretty much the best 3&D wing out there that teams can get. Just not many proven playoff 3&D wings out there. Could help with O'Neale as well.

Decipher · Post #140 » by **Decipher** » Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:55 am

Tha King wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:not a ton but definitely more than DFS lol

I'm not sure about that. DFS is a seemless fit on any team, and plays a position in high demand. One dimensional scorers on big contracts that get hunted defensively have much more limited markets.

In addition, DFS is on a great contract and is pretty much the best 3&D wing out there that teams can get. Just not many proven playoff 3&D wings out there. Could help with O'Neale as well.

Was on a plane last night with plenty of time to kill….

Herro is not part of the Heat’s best starting rotations (believe it or not, Duncan Robinson is) and they have some financial restrictions moving forward

While I am not in favour of moving DFS just for the sake of it (vet on affordable contract in position of need), DFS + Din for Herro & Caleb Martin works