Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Marvin Martian]

piggybacking the grant williams idea, he guarded centers almost 1/3 of the time last year. he could very well be that stretch big we've been looking for.

We have 3 stretch 4s on the roster. Why do we need another one?

[Netaman]

Why or where is this Herro chatter coming from?

Anything official or what ifs from the fanbase?

begley and barry jackson both confirmed.

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[Netaman]

We have 3 stretch 4s on the roster. Why do we need another one?

the only one likely to be on the floor opening night is CJ.

dfs is on the trade block and likely on the way out.

clowney is 18.

wilson is a 2 way second pick who will play most of his games in g league.

[Decipher]

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[brook]

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Marks right now: If you take Simmons, it's like a compensation for us

[Karate Diop]

Why or where is this Herro chatter coming from?

Anything official or what ifs from the fanbase?

I think it's just speculation that Portland doesn't want Herro because they're set at guard and the Nets have picks they could send in a three-way.

[vincecarter4pres]

How about this one?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

With most every pick ans swap not tied down coming from Brooklyn(sans the better of the Dallas and Phoenix ‘29)and Miami, being dispersed between Portland and Cleveland as sees fit.

Brooklyn sends:
Clax
Dinwiddie
DFS
Cam T

Miami sends:
Herro
Lowry
Jovic

Portland sends:
Lillard
Nurkic

Cleveland sends:
Mitchell
Allen
LeVert



Brooklyn receives:
Mitchell
Allen
LeVert

Miami receives:
Lillard
Nurk

Portland receives:
Jovic
Cam T
Dinwiddie
Lowry
Picks and swaps

Cleveland receives:
Herro
Claxton
DFS
TPE
Picks and swaps

[Netaman]

i can see cleveland moving allen, i dont see them moving mitchell yet. i think they give that another year.

there is some logic to them maybe trying to jump ahead of lillard if there was a player out there they covet, but based on how they've approached FA it seems like they are intent on improving what they have to see if they can keep building forward.

[Netaman]

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i take this as something along the lines of haywood highsmith. obviously the heat need all the picks they can find to go to portland, probably including a pick from the nets. and probably the nets moving out a 3&d player(s) like DFS/Royce for pick (s), so this is a way to replace them cheaply even as they take on the herro deal.

highsmith is 26 years old so he's probably not of interest to portland, but he's a very nets type of developmental player. sort of trevor booker / royce oneale like.

[Tha King]

i can see cleveland moving allen, i dont see them moving mitchell yet. i think they give that another year.

there is some logic to them maybe trying to jump ahead of lillard if there was a player out there they covet, but based on how they've approached FA it seems like they are intent on improving what they have to see if they can keep building forward.

the Allen for Claxton swap is also not good for them because while they are similar, Allen has a longer term deal so I think he actually has more trade value.

[Netaman]

here's an updated version of the trade with highsmith to nets. it's actually pretty straightforward on the cap side, though when a deal comes together i expect it will be incorporated to existing trades that arent finalized yet for complex efficiencies.

the 2nd rounder listed here from miami --> portland is a placeholder for the other FRP miami can send them by getting protections adjusted. when all the dust settles i think 5 FRPs + swaps for dame, along with some spare parts/salary relief like jovic/cam t, is probably the best they could hope for. and they get their franchise icon to the place he wants to go.

[Tha King]

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i take this as something along the lines of haywood highsmith. obviously the heat need all the picks they can find to go to portland, probably including a pick from the nets. and probably the nets moving out a 3&d player(s) like DFS/Royce for pick (s), so this is a way to replace them cheaply even as they take on the herro deal.

highsmith is 26 years old so he's probably not of interest to portland, but he's a very nets type of developmental player. sort of trevor booker / royce oneale like.

I think regardless of what you think of Herro and Poole as players, the latter's trade somewhat set the market for the trade value of that archetype on the contracts they're on. Herro might be better but I don't think the gap is so big that you go from the Warriors needing to add picks to trade Poole, to a third team giving Portland/Miami significant assets for Herro.

Herro is more valuable to Miami than elsewhere right now. If Brooklyn is sending out players like DFS, O'Neale, etc. then you can absolutely make an argument it's Brooklyn that should be getting something.

[Netaman]

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i take this as something along the lines of haywood highsmith. obviously the heat need all the picks they can find to go to portland, probably including a pick from the nets. and probably the nets moving out a 3&d player(s) like DFS/Royce for pick (s), so this is a way to replace them cheaply even as they take on the herro deal.

highsmith is 26 years old so he's probably not of interest to portland, but he's a very nets type of developmental player. sort of trevor booker / royce oneale like.

I think regardless of what you think of Herro and Poole as players, the latter's trade somewhat set the market for the trade value of that archetype on the contracts they're on. Herro might be better but I don't think the gap is so big that you go from the Warriors needing to add picks to trade Poole, to a third team giving Portland/Miami significant assets for Herro. Herro is more valuable to Miami than elsewhere right now.

he's more valuable to them right now in the same way ayton is more valuable to the suns, harris more valuable to sixers, etc.

aka there's no one looking to give up assets for them.

lillard is clearly the most valuable player to the heat right now so i (and tyler himself apparently) expect he will get moved.

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[TheNetsFan]

i take this as something along the lines of haywood highsmith. obviously the heat need all the picks they can find to go to portland, probably including a pick from the nets. and probably the nets moving out a 3&d player(s) like DFS/Royce for pick (s), so this is a way to replace them cheaply even as they take on the herro deal.

highsmith is 26 years old so he's probably not of interest to portland, but he's a very nets type of developmental player. sort of trevor booker / royce oneale like.

I think regardless of what you think of Herro and Poole as players, the latter's trade somewhat set the market for the trade value of that archetype on the contracts they're on. Herro might be better but I don't think the gap is so big that you go from the Warriors needing to add picks to trade Poole, to a third team giving Portland/Miami significant assets for Herro. Herro is more valuable to Miami than elsewhere right now.

he's more valuable to them right now in the same way ayton is more valuable to the suns, harris more valuable to sixers, etc.

aka there's no one looking to give up assets for them.

lillard is clearly the most valuable player to the heat right now so i (and tyler himself apparently) expect he will get moved.

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A lot of it could also be dependent on who we're sending out. Hypothetically, we could say we'll take Herro for free, but we must stay out of the tax, which means we need to move other player(s). If we're moving DFS, Royce or Dinwiddie to stay under the tax, then we want to be compensated for those players accordingly. So the compensation for taking on Herro could actually be more along the lines of the compensation we require for the value of the players we're sending out rather than for taking on Herro.

[Netaman]

it almost feels like the nets are sort of colluding with heat to extract value since they were by far Portland's best leverage against Miami and they are purposefully stepping aside. heat can send 3 FRPs + Jovic, im sure they will squeeze out a 1 or 2 more pieces with the nets help and in return for getting gifted herro and something else small (my guess is haywood).

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[Netaman]

shifting gears, anyone else a little worried about adding herro sight unseen post-wrist surgery?

maybe that's just deron williams ptsd but that's why i think the "lillard is 32" stuff would not be a concern for me. multi-dimensional players like him have a way of staying useful into their mid-late 30's and his injuries are in the most minor category. anyone at any age can get hurt, but guys who are more one dimensional are risky regardless of age. heck 2 years ago when clax was sitting out with knee joint laxity that seemed pretty risky for a guy whose entire game is athleticism dependent.

if we get herro we'll be paying cam j and herro as much combined over the next 4 years as lillard and both of them have had major surgeries in the last year. both good players but neither lillard.

[Netaman]

another slightly different topic while we wait, if the nets get herro and simmons is healthy, who ideally starts at the 2 spot and who plays 6th man role between dinwiddie/herro? herro is a proven 6moy winner, dinwiddie has been a candidate, both also have experience starting so it's kind of a no lose situation.

herro obviously a better shot maker which probably fits better with simmons, dinwiddie a little better creator and defender.



if simmons flakes or just isn't good enough these 2 appear to compliment each other decently as a backcourt even if the defense won't be great.

[kan_t]

shifting gears, anyone else a little worried about adding herro sight unseen post-wrist surgery?

maybe that's just deron williams ptsd but that's why i think the "lillard is 32" stuff would not be a concern for me. multi-dimensional players like him have a way of staying useful into their mid-late 30's and his injuries are in the most minor category. anyone at any age can get hurt, but guys who are more one dimensional are risky regardless of age. heck 2 years ago when clax was sitting out with knee joint laxity that seemed pretty risky for a guy whose entire game is athleticism dependent.

if we get herro we'll be paying cam j and herro as much combined over the next 4 years as lillard and both of them have had major surgeries in the last year. both good players but neither lillard.

As long as they don't give up any first round picks, I think it's a deal the Nets couldn't pass. Herro is just 23 and is aligned with the Nets young movement timeline. They're not going to get another mega start next season and by 2025 Ben Simmons contract is expired.

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[CalamityX12]

Why or where is this Herro chatter coming from?

Anything official or what ifs from the fanbase?

I think it's just speculation that Portland doesn't want Herro because they're set at guard and the Nets have picks they could send in a three-way.

It would suck to lose picks for Herro

Please pass