Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[kerry kittles]

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lol.

oh well.

Lopez will now walk for nothing, we have no picks, and no hope. This team will plunge into the toilet even further now after today.

Also, Windrem the shill says the Nets, meaning Billy King, feels like OKC screwed them over by backing out in the last second, and not allowing the Nets to have enough time to work a new deal.

This is the same cock sucking GM that led OKC on a few weeks ago and then walked away smugly at the table, thinking he'd be able to get something done at the last minute. So he screws OKC over gleefully a few weeks back, and is now upset that they trolled him?

With how fast that Utah development happened, I would not be shocked if OKC had that deal on the table well before initiating talks with the Nets today.

enetric talked about dark days if we had made that trade? wait until Lopez walks for nothing in the offseason, since we can't do sign and trade deals.

I was OK with the trade. And I am OK if he does walk. That wasnt my point. My point was I dont know how you were able to list the potential roster like that and add the word excitement. Blow it all up...fire the coach fire the GM and lets start again. Whatever. It didnt work lets not put a cheap bandaid on a gaping wound and call it a lifesaver.

This conveniently left out Jack and Karasev.

All in all, the only player worth crying about is Lilliard. Plumlee and Favors are basically the same level of player and Kanter isnt a good player. We got a good playoff run out of the deals as well last year. It's easy to look back after everything and be critical but if we got Paul instead of DWill, we would have had a chance a a chip. He is the single biggest reason this era failed. Johnson and Pierce won us a playoff series while Garnett turned Plumlee into a good NBA player and just got us Young.

I think we will make the 7th seed after this trade if we resign Blatche. It was annoying having to ceremonially start KG when he was obviously not our best option at PF.

There are other things to be upset with. In addition to the moronic Gerald Wallace trade, the contract we gave him was equally as dumb. In our deal with the Celtics we essentially traded a pick for Paul, a pick for KG, a pick for them to take Gerald Wallace, and pick swaps because Billi King loves giving them out. Without having to eat Gerald Wallace for 3 years/$30, we could've got away with getting them for two 1st round picks.

The pick swaps and the 1st given forJoe were unnecessary.

If he didn't trade for Wallace we could've had Harrison Barnes who is just what this team needed
If he didn't extend Wallace to the tune of 4 years/$40 million. We would have control of our own pick before 2019.
If he didn't throw in the swaps in the Joe deal we wouldn't be worrying about sending a lotto pick to Atlanta this year.

Who knows how things shakeout exactly in MDB's diagram, but those three things he did really set the franchise back.

[Keith Van Horn]

Why didn't king have a backup plan?

I don't want to trade lopez for nothing, but we should have moved him today.

Still can't believe we didn't do the Zeller and Stephenson deal.


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I dont understand all the back up plan posts. As if there are always trades to be found and you should do one at all costs. As for Lance...he sucks get over it.

You're right, glad we did nothing else. This team was a lot better standing pat. We will also make the playoffs.

[F3LON]

Why didn't king have a backup plan?

I don't want to trade lopez for nothing, but we should have moved him today.

Still can't believe we didn't do the Zeller and Stephenson deal.


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I dont understand all the back up plan posts. As if there are always trades to be found and you should do one at all costs. As for Lance...he sucks get over it.

Lance represents the highest upside. Since our team has nothing to lose by bringing him in they should have took him for the pennies on the dollar he represents.

[enetric]

I don't think Presti purposefully f*cked you guys, but if he did I love it. Not because it hurts your team, but because **** Billy King, hopefully this will get him fired and you can get a realGM. Good luck guys, it might seem a ways away but there are brighter days ahead.

LOL

You are so butt hurt.

Enes Kanter sucks.

Butt hurt? We just got a way better deal

You got a more financially sound deal. But Kanter is not a better player than Lopez.

[enetric]

I don't think Presti purposefully f*cked you guys, but if he did I love it. Not because it hurts your team, but because **** Billy King, hopefully this will get him fired and you can get a realGM. Good luck guys, it might seem a ways away but there are brighter days ahead.

King **** himself. As always.

Presti did what a good GM does. Have multiple options. Work the phones for awhile. Talk to multiple teams.

This could've been a done deal WEEKS ago. Billy decided to wait until the day of the deadline to talk to ONLY OKC about Brook. Literally nothing else was floated out there. Embarrassing that one team pulling out leaves us without any options. Of course, OKC gets a MUCH better deal and we get absolutely nothing.

Like anyone here has a freakin' idea what phone calls were had. All this speculation is just sour grapes.

More than likely every GM was spoken to at some point. King has never had a problem making trades if they are out there. His issue is typically not knowing when to pass on bad trades.

[spearsy23]

You got a more financially sound deal. But Kanter is not a better player than Lopez.

Lopez is marginally better, that's true, but add in Augustin and it's a better deal on court and a significantly better deal in terms of upside, health and finances.

[MGrand15]

I don't think Presti purposefully f*cked you guys, but if he did I love it. Not because it hurts your team, but because **** Billy King, hopefully this will get him fired and you can get a realGM. Good luck guys, it might seem a ways away but there are brighter days ahead.

King **** himself. As always.

Presti did what a good GM does. Have multiple options. Work the phones for awhile. Talk to multiple teams.

This could've been a done deal WEEKS ago. Billy decided to wait until the day of the deadline to talk to ONLY OKC about Brook. Literally nothing else was floated out there. Embarrassing that one team pulling out leaves us without any options. Of course, OKC gets a MUCH better deal and we get absolutely nothing.

Like anyone here has a freakin' idea what phone calls were had. All this speculation is just sour grapes.

More than likely every GM was spoken to at some point. King has never had a problem making trades if they are out there. His issue is typically not knowing when to pass on bad trades.

We know that OKC thought this was a done deal weeks ago and were upset that Billy King pulled out.

We know that Billy King didn't sign off on Lance Stephenson and took that option off the table.

We know that Billy was left dumbfounded and with no options when OKC pulled out. Even though an avalanche of trades happened afterwards and people were willing to wheel and deal.

You're right, I don't know what phone calls were had or what the options were. I just think Billy overplayed his hands by waiting until the deadline instead of aggressively shopping guys around. He clearly didn't do that. He said he wasn't aggressive, sources say he wasn't aggressive. It's clear he thought OKC or some desperate team would be forced to make a move at the deadline and failed. Badly.

I'm not a huge Lopez hater - I just think this team really, really needed a shake up.

[enetric]

it offered players who want to be here that the fans could get behind as well as zellar, a ok young player on a rookie deal. It also dealt from strength(C) to fill our weakest spot (SG) and being just 1 game out of the playoffs, maybe that makes the difference.

i dont think 6M in salary relief, Zeller, and a flyer on lance while balancing the roster is nothing. its not adding a star you can building around, but it certainly isnt nothing. It also rids of of lopez, who this year and last year we have been better without and whom some fans cant stand watching

I would have been fine with this trade. I reject much of the premise though. Any time someone pitches the idea of I hate that guy...we should trade him for anyone even if that guy is much much worse but he tries harder I get a little nausea.

Trades are directional. You are either trading up or down in the NBA. Know where you want to go and make a sound decision. Far too often it is blind hate for a player around here followed by an intense desire to acquire someone who isnt close to as good or a deal that doesnt offer future picks. It is hey...lets pretend this offer or that rumored trade makes us better right now. I cant look at a face value trade of Lance Stephenson for Brook Lopez and say oh man....King should have made that trade because it would have made us better right now when I can see that as disappointing as Lopez can be he destroys Lance Stephenson.


And I further cant justify we can root for a back up scrub big man....over a center who cant drop 20 per night. Like him or not...yes worth more in present day value than that. And that's my challenge to you. The only sentence that really matters is "rid ourselves of Lopez". I fear you and some others are so consumed with it that your excitement isnt over the warmed over trash sometimes being discussed its over ANYTHING NOT LOPEZ!

That's when objectivity goes out the window. You know what it reminds me of? When Raptor fans decided that following some tough injury years and perceived lack of effort, Vince Carter was the reason they were struggling when in fact despite some issues he was still their best player. I would always prefer to be the team acquiring that type of player not the one dumping him for pretend junk.

At the end of the day it doesnt matter. I have always felt Lopez was far closer to being a solid #2 than Deron was to being the supposed superstar we traded for.

Eventually we will rebuild and if we have to dump better players for lesser ones the hope is that we can acquire some sort of future trade assets.

Lopez's ship has long since sailed. He has solid offense but the effort is not consistent, and he's a soft player and horrible rebounder and defender.

You overrate him vastly.

How by saying he is much better than Lance Stephenson?!! Come on! He is!!!!!! That guy is terrible.

When I start saying he is better than Russel Westbrook you can say that to me. But when you are excited about a former 2nd round pick who had one decent year and has then turned into the next Travis Outlaw over Brook Lopez....its you underrating him not me overrating him. Stephenson sucks. SUCKS!!!!! And Jackson is mediocre. I would have sooner taken a package of Jackson and stuff over Stephenson talent wise however...the Lance deal might have made more sense cap wise.

Either way...find me the posts where I am raving about Brook's greatness? All I have done was slow your roll of blind exaggerated hate comparing him to guys who are vastly worse than him.

You know what? If Lopez ever gets it going again somewhere else I expect you will actually hate him more for it rather than say...hmmm...maybe Hollins wasnt a good choice. Maybe Brook finally healthy we should have worked to find a better fit.

I am not predicting that Lopez will get it right...jut that I am not the one lacking objectivity here. For you and few others...Lopez is damned in your book either way.

[Trader_Joe]

Put this on the Trade Board but wanted to share my thoughts about today here as well...

Hey guys,

Sorry, but I had to take an extended break from RealGM as I've had a lot of things going on personally and professionally the last couple months and had to rearrange priorities, which included not only RealGM but actually watching basketball as well!!! But, of course I had to check back in on the Christmas Day of the Trade Board.

First off.... Congrats to Smitty and Bondom for joining the team. You guys have long been two of the best posters on here and I'm glad the gang made the right choice in bringing you guys aboard (that's how absent I've been.. I didn't even know they were adding mods until today).

Secondly, Biz, get that sig ready for me!

So...as for today I'll quickly speak about the Nets

First off.. thanks GOODNESS they did not trade for Reggie Jackson. I wouldn't have cared if they traded Lopez for expirings and minor picks or prospects, but the last thing the Nets needed to do was add another PG to the team, especially one who will probably want about $15m+ as a FA, isn't a good shooter and isn't much of a distributor. It would have been Devin Harris all over again, except with a bigger contract and a max contract PG backing him up. There is no market for Deron Williams and I didn't see much real interest in Jarret Jack as other teams easily found other options, so it would have been a disaster with $40 tied up at the PG position next season. PGs are a dime a dozen in today's league and giving a near max to a player who probably isn't a top 20 PG would be something King would do.

What I wish they did was the rumored JJ deal to Detroit to clear major salary and hopefully get a pick in the process, or a Lance Stephenson based deal.

The KG for Thad trade I like on the surface, but it raises many questions.

Does this mean the team is still willing to spend whatever?
If so, maybe a sale isn't imminent.
Does this mean they are going to try their hardest to ditch JJ or Lopez (assuming he opts in) next summer to avoid the tax?
How does this impact Teletovic's future with the team?
(Is he going to be able to resume his career is the bigger question, especially one day after Jerome Kersey passed away from the same condition.)
Does Thad start?
Does Plumlee still start?
Those two seem like a disaster in the half court as neither has true post moves and neither are shooters. They can run, slash, score inside and not much else. Our rebounding will be terrible as well.
Does Thad opt in for next year?
If he doesn't does that mean King pulls a King and overpays him for no reason?

The actual value of the trade looks good. We get a much younger player who can produce for 40 minutes on any given night, but how does he actually fit with the team? Now with he and Plumlee we have two guys who can run, but as long as JJ and Lopez are on this team, this is a slow plodding half court team. I guess that's not much of a concern as I wouldn't be surprised if 3 of those players are gone after this season.

Overall I give the trade a B- mainly because of the value. We saved some tax money this season (hopefully allowing us to sign Blatche), got younger and perhaps better... though that would be offset by our competition getting better so we probably got worse now that I think of it.. nvm.

As for the overall deadline evaluation, like I said I'm relieved they didn't go for Jackson but I still fault King for not having a back up plan if the intent was to move Lopez and/or JJ all along. It sounded like he had a host of offers on the table but didn't have time to make a move after OKC backed out, which is a terrible excuse. If I had to guess King is fired this summer or if the team is sold.

And then added to it after a Wolves fan replied about Young..

If he does start at PF next to Plumlee our rebounding will suck and there will be no spacing. It would suck next to Lopez as well, but there would be some spacing.

I'm scared Hollins rolls out...

Jack / D.Will
Anderson / Karasev
Johnson / Bogdanovic
Young / Jefferson
Plumlee / Lopez

Just a terribly unbalanced line-up with 1 good 3 point shooter in Joe and one OK 3 point shooter in Anderson. The rest are not threats unless Jack remembers how to shoot a 3.

What I'm hoping for..

Blatche is signed and D.Will is playing well enough after the AS break to regain his starting spot as Jack doesn't know how to run an offense and can't hit a 3... then again D.Will hasn't hit a shot from 3 in about a month. I'd want to keep the transition players together and the half court players together. Jack is better pushing the ball and has good chemistry with Plums.

D.Will / Jack
Bogdanovic / Karasev
Johnson / Anderson
Blatche / Young
Lopez / Plumlee

Again that's only if D.Will starts hitting his shots. I think Lopez has been outplaying Plumlee as of late and he played well with Blatche 2 seasons ago. The starters could play their slow plodding game, while the bench would come in and push it. The starters have three 3 point shooters in theory, the second unit 2.

[jeff1624]

As long as King is GM we're gonna continue getting shafted on trades.. Even on ones we don't make.

But did we get shafted today? If you believe Wojo...Nets were all in on that trade. OKC made a different move.


And had we made that trade...I still say roster would not have improved for this season plus...Heat and Celtics still made bigger moves.

A report came out that the Nets were angry with OKC for leaving them with no time to explore other trades. That in itself is laughable. You're a GM of a profession basketball team... how do you sit banking on one trade without a contingency plan? It reminds me of 2012 with Dwight. Dwight picked up his option and King made the Wallace trade because he panicked and had no backup plan.

[Trader_Joe]

As long as King is GM we're gonna continue getting shafted on trades.. Even on ones we don't make.

But did we get shafted today? If you believe Wojo...Nets were all in on that trade. OKC made a different move.


And had we made that trade...I still say roster would not have improved for this season plus...Heat and Celtics still made bigger moves.

A report came out that the Nets were angry with OKC for leaving them with no time to explore other trades. That in itself is laughable. You're a GM of a profession basketball team... how do you sit banking on one trade without a contingency plan? It reminds me of 2012 with Dwight. Dwight picked up his option and King made the Wallace trade because he panicked and had no backup plan.

So its probably a good thing he didn't make move after RJ fell thru.

[Trader_Joe]

So Brook ends up **** ing the team over.

I'm done. seriously, what's the point of even following this laughing stock of a team

Haha.
No you're not..you say youre done with this team 3 times a week. And here you still are, angrier than ever. You are a true glutton for punishment...aka a Nets fan.

[Mkdaman1818]

This trade deadline was bonkers. Was so amped for the Lopez deal, but now let's see if hollins can make something happen with Thad and get us to start rebounding and playing good defense. Lack of wing players make me very nervous about our offense, but our lack of toughness and grit have hurt us more, especially in all those games we've blown double digit leads in.

[Shook Jones]

Not moving JJ was foolish. This team is going to be lethargic because everyone looks to him for leadership and him being the highest paid. JJ doesnt care anymore and his attitude seeps thru the team. Dwill is just a mentally shaken chicken heart who the players shake their head at.

[Trader_Joe]

This trade deadline was bonkers. Was so amped for the Lopez deal, but now let's see if hollins can make something happen with Thad and get us to start rebounding and playing good defense. Lack of wing players make me very nervous about our offense, but our lack of toughness and grit have hurt us more, especially in all those games we've blown double digit leads in.

Unless we moved D.Will, I think the Reggie Jackson trade would have been a major mistake.
This guys gonna want to be paid as though he is a top PG, while it's debatable if he's top 20. He's not a good shooter from mid range or 3, he's not a great distributor and his teammates have called him selfish. I worry he would be Devin Harris again.. pretty stats, no results. Time will tell, but I was relieved. I would have rather had Perkins and some combo of Lamb, Jones, McGary, Pick. He would have kept us well into the tax next year and compromised 2016 assuming we couldn't move D.Will. $40m invested into the PG next season could have been laughable when not a single PG is definitively an average starting PG.

[Mkdaman1818]

This trade deadline was bonkers. Was so amped for the Lopez deal, but now let's see if hollins can make something happen with Thad and get us to start rebounding and playing good defense. Lack of wing players make me very nervous about our offense, but our lack of toughness and grit have hurt us more, especially in all those games we've blown double digit leads in.

Unless we moved D.Will, I think the Reggie Jackson trade would have been a major mistake.
This guys gonna want to be paid as though he is a top PG, while it's debatable if he's top 20. He's not a good shooter from mid range or 3, he's not a great distributor and his teammates have called him selfish. I worry he would be Devin Harris again.. pretty stats, no results. Time will tell, but I was relieved. I would have rather had Perkins and some combo of Lamb, Jones, McGary, Pick. He would have kept us well into the tax next year and compromised 2016 assuming we couldn't move D.Will. $40m invested into the PG next season could have been laughable when not a single PG is definitively an average starting PG.

I agree with that... In fact when I heard that Reggie Jackson had been traded to Detroit, I was actually hoping that we had traded Lopez for Perkins and a wing. Trading Garnett, however, does remove some of the mental toughness that this team desperately needs. I sincerely hope they can pull it together and get the eighth seed.

[Trader_Joe]

If we did land Jackson.. with it went like this...

Jack for A.Miller (maybe if we had done the Jackson trade earlier we could have snuck this in)
Lopez, Jordan, Brown for Perkins, Jackson, Lamb
JJ, Morris, Jefferson for Jennings, Datome, Butler, Jerebko, Protected #1

Knowing moving D.Will wasn't an option..
Buyout Datome
Sign Blatche

Jackson / D.Will / Miller / (Jennings)
Anderson / Lamb / Karasev
Bogdanovic / Butler
Young / Jerebko / Mirza
Plumlee / Blatche / Perkins

A terrible team that likely gives Atlanta a top 6 pick but at least we'd be in good position next year with just...

Jackson / D.Will / Jennings
Lamb / Karasev
Bogdanovic / ATL #1
Young / (Mirza)
Plumlee / (Blatche)
+
DET #1

Young (if he opts in) and Jennings would be expiring.
Jackson, Lamb, Mirza restricted FAs

[Trader_Joe]

This trade deadline was bonkers. Was so amped for the Lopez deal, but now let's see if hollins can make something happen with Thad and get us to start rebounding and playing good defense. Lack of wing players make me very nervous about our offense, but our lack of toughness and grit have hurt us more, especially in all those games we've blown double digit leads in.

Unless we moved D.Will, I think the Reggie Jackson trade would have been a major mistake.
This guys gonna want to be paid as though he is a top PG, while it's debatable if he's top 20. He's not a good shooter from mid range or 3, he's not a great distributor and his teammates have called him selfish. I worry he would be Devin Harris again.. pretty stats, no results. Time will tell, but I was relieved. I would have rather had Perkins and some combo of Lamb, Jones, McGary, Pick. He would have kept us well into the tax next year and compromised 2016 assuming we couldn't move D.Will. $40m invested into the PG next season could have been laughable when not a single PG is definitively an average starting PG.

I agree with that... In fact when I heard that Reggie Jackson had been traded to Detroit, I was actually hoping that we had traded Lopez for Perkins and a wing. Trading Garnett, however, does remove some of the mental toughness that this team desperately needs. I sincerely hope they can pull it together and get the eighth seed.

I highly doubt it given our competitors all got better.
If we did it would take
-perfect health (maybe some injuries to other teams)
-Our "shooters" finding their stroke (specifically D.Will)
-Young stepping up
-Our big 3 playing like they did year 1

[kerry kittles]

If we did land Jackson.. with it went like this...

Jack for A.Miller (maybe if we had done the Jackson trade earlier we could have snuck this in)
Lopez, Jordan, Brown for Perkins, Jackson, Lamb
JJ, Morris, Jefferson for Jennings, Datome, Butler, Jerebko, Protected #1

Knowing moving D.Will wasn't an option..
Buyout Datome
Sign Blatche

Jackson / D.Will / Miller / (Jennings)
Anderson / Lamb / Karasev
Bogdanovic / Butler
Young / Jerebko / Mirza
Plumlee / Blatche / Perkins

A terrible team that likely gives Atlanta a top 6 pick but at least we'd be in good position next year with just...

Jackson / D.Will / Jennings
Lamb / Karasev
Bogdanovic / ATL #1
Young / (Mirza)
Plumlee / (Blatche)
+
DET #1

Young (if he opts in) and Jennings would be expiring.
Jackson, Lamb, Mirza restricted FAs

If we're dumping Lopez and Joe for expirings plus Jackson and a 1st then this trade would make no sense. Just let KG expire with the rest of them instead of taking on Thad Young for another year. Thad Young makes us better now, but hurts our financial flexibility. The proposed Joe trade makes us worse, but improves financial flexibility. They're two conflicting types of trades. I can't see the rationale for making both.

[Trader_Joe]

If we did land Jackson.. with it went like this...

Jack for A.Miller (maybe if we had done the Jackson trade earlier we could have snuck this in)
Lopez, Jordan, Brown for Perkins, Jackson, Lamb
JJ, Morris, Jefferson for Jennings, Datome, Butler, Jerebko, Protected #1

Knowing moving D.Will wasn't an option..
Buyout Datome
Sign Blatche

Jackson / D.Will / Miller / (Jennings)
Anderson / Lamb / Karasev
Bogdanovic / Butler
Young / Jerebko / Mirza
Plumlee / Blatche / Perkins

A terrible team that likely gives Atlanta a top 6 pick but at least we'd be in good position next year with just...

Jackson / D.Will / Jennings
Lamb / Karasev
Bogdanovic / ATL #1
Young / (Mirza)
Plumlee / (Blatche)
+
DET #1

Young (if he opts in) and Jennings would be expiring.
Jackson, Lamb, Mirza restricted FAs

If we're dumping Lopez and Joe for expirings plus Jackson and a 1st then this trade would make no sense. Just let KG expire with the rest of them instead of taking on Thad Young for another year. Thad Young makes us better now, but hurts our financial flexibility. The proposed Joe trade makes us worse, but improves financial flexibility. They're two conflicting types of trades. I can't see the rationale for making both.

Perhaps.
We'd be under the cap so I think it would be worth the risk, especially since he expires by 2016 which is the more important time for cap space. The one thing I like about the Thad trade is that it makes us younger and more athletic. We get a preview of how he, or an uptempo PF would fit on this team. If it doesn't work don't resign him, but at least we'd have a better idea of what works with Jackson and Plumlee who look like potential long term pieces.

My other worry is this..
We are only 3 games up on the 6th worst team in the league.
I know others don't agree, but I really don't want to give both Atlanta and Boston the chance to have a top 3 pick. One is a division rival, the other the best team in the East. By fortifying our competition we become a worse team given we play them 7 or 8 times a year. We could be adding two Wiggins type talents to our rivals making our lives even more difficult. Given we don't have our own pick until 2019, I'd rather given them picks in the 10-16 range than 1-6 range. Same logic why teams don't often trade with rivals or in their conference.