The Official Lin Net Thread

[leeramundo]

It makes me wonder if GoodDayLA is a troll.

That was my thought as well.

[leeramundo]

I don't really have a beef with McHale - he seems an okay guy who had some tough decisions to make, not my choice for a coach but hey there are worse.

I am just not a fan of having him held up as the coach who knows Lin's game best // cause he obviously did not appreciate Lin's strengths as well as other coaches have. They were just a little bit oil and water. Plus I really disliked how he handled the whole benching thing and think it's just human nature for him to want to say Lin was not that good before ...

I agree, probably at this point, Clifford is the coach that knows the full dimensions of his game the best, being his most recent coach and one that utilized him well within his system.

[spaceballer]

Apparently, NYU held a special 5th anniversary Linsanity panel last week. It's a bit strange for two reasons. One, JLin is from Harvard and not NYU. Two, he didn't attend nor was he a part of the proceedings. It seems NYU loved Linsanity so much that they held the event on their own, even though we're 5yrs removed.

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The hashtags reference #nyuRLHU (NYU Residential Life and Housing Services) and #nyuFFIR (Faculty Fellows in Residence). So I guess the special Linsanity 5th Anniversary discussion panel was organized by Residential Life and Housing Services with some Faculty Fellows who may have been around in NYC 5yrs ago for Linsanity and still remembered. Linsanity left a huge impression on NYC, and apparently also on the faculty fellows at NYU who went and organized this anniversary celebration event for the students.

[steady]

I don't really have a beef with McHale - he seems an okay guy who had some tough decisions to make, not my choice for a coach but hey there are worse.

I am just not a fan of having him held up as the coach who knows Lin's game best // cause he obviously did not appreciate Lin's strengths as well as other coaches have. They were just a little bit oil and water. Plus I really disliked how he handled the whole benching thing and think it's just human nature for him to want to say Lin was not that good before ...

I agree, probably at this point, Clifford is the coach that knows the full dimensions of his game the best, being his most recent coach and one that utilized him well within his system.

Yep I would pick Cliff too. Also I just trust Clifford's basketball judgment and straight way of talking about things more.

[GoodDayLa]

pretty hard now to make to playoffs , our bench PG is in shambles.

I have faith in Kenny and Mark they will not roll out the bad news bears as the bench lineup.

Really Vasquez is holding back the second unit. If there was a backup PG who was capable, the bench would be fine.

Vasquez is horrible and I'm not sure even if he gets his legs back that it will matter.

I mean couldn't they have brought back Jordan Famar or something?

Kenny will either run Lin into the ground or play Vasquez less than 8 minutes a game in the real season so he doesn't single handedly lose all the games when they start counting.

[TinmanZBoy]

I don't really have a beef with McHale - he seems an okay guy who had some tough decisions to make, not my choice for a coach but hey there are worse.

I am just not a fan of having him held up as the coach who knows Lin's game best // cause he obviously did not appreciate Lin's strengths as well as other coaches have. They were just a little bit oil and water. Plus I really disliked how he handled the whole benching thing and think it's just human nature for him to want to say Lin was not that good before ...

I agree, probably at this point, Clifford is the coach that knows the full dimensions of his game the best, being his most recent coach and one that utilized him well within his system.

Yep I would pick Cliff too. Also I just trust Clifford's basketball judgment and straight way of talking about things more.

coach McHale knows Lin's game, but he does not believe Linsanity can strike twice...
Coach Clifford probably taught Lin the most, made Lin a more versatile player...

[steady]

I agree, probably at this point, Clifford is the coach that knows the full dimensions of his game the best, being his most recent coach and one that utilized him well within his system.

Yep I would pick Cliff too. Also I just trust Clifford's basketball judgment and straight way of talking about things more.

coach McHale knows Lin's game, but he does not believe Linsanity can strike twice...
Coach Clifford probably taught Lin the most, made Lin a more versatile player...

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

[lin is ok]

Yep I would pick Cliff too. Also I just trust Clifford's basketball judgment and straight way of talking about things more.

coach McHale knows Lin's game, but he does not believe Linsanity can strike twice...
Coach Clifford probably taught Lin the most, made Lin a more versatile player...

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

Screw Mchale / Morey, he is a bad coach. Plus he had an axe to grind to against Lin , it was so obvious. Harden/Lin backcourt could have worked, if not for him.

[TinmanZBoy]

coach McHale knows Lin's game, but he does not believe Linsanity can strike twice...
Coach Clifford probably taught Lin the most, made Lin a more versatile player...

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

Screw Mchale / Morey, he is a bad coach. Plus he had an axe to grind to against Lin , it was so obvious. Harden/Lin backcourt could have worked, if not for him.

McHale is not a bad coach, not a great coach either, but he is a good coach... Lin/Harden backcourt worked fine, one of the best at the time... it is just the Beverley/Harden, Lin sixth man combinations made the team more balanced and deeper... Being the sixth man of a team is not a slight, nothing to be shamed of ... if it were not for Bosh, they would not have traded Lin... all in all, Lin was pretty solid in Rockets, but he would never be Linsanity in Rockets, it is that simple, he will not have the ball with Harden in the picture....
it really boils down to how lin sees himself as a player... if he wants to settle to be a sixth man, or a leading guard to run a team, we know the answer now...

[KennyD]

^
I'm not sure Lin has a greater effect on winning games than Harden. It might be the case tho if the whistles are taken away.

Not sure Lin will be HOF, it's possible if he totally gets his shot back, tones down on his TOs and plays well consistently.

OTOH, do remember that Morey and McFail were responsible for waiving Lin for Jonny Flynn and indirectly catalyzing Linsanity. Their boss got real mad, scolded them and demanded them to get Lin back. Well, what can one expect from them when the opportunity presents itself?

Harden has a much bigger impact on wins then Lin. in fact only 4 or 5 players have a bigger impact on wins then harden does.

Mentioning lin and the hall of fame is a joke. if you took his career year, projected i PEr36 and he did that for say 8 or 10 straight years he still wouldnt be close to HoF numbers

that was a joke

[GoodDayLa]

I'm here to assure everyone that as a Lin fan, I'm not under the delusion that Lin is even close to being likely to become a HOFer. All I'd hope for is for him to string together a few near all-star seasons, and maybe even 1 legitimate all-star season. If he does that, I'd consider his career a great success. He's an undrafted guy out of Harvard, who most people didn't even think would be in the NBA at all. He's really overachieving already if he does what I said, anything more than that I would be ecstatic. BTW, not agreeing that Lin is going to average 70% shooting is nothing to brag about.

Also there is no comparison to Yao, Yao was the best center in the league for a couple of years. Lin has never been the best at his position nor will he.

Yao was not the best center in the league at any time. Please don't insult Shaquille O'Neal. Yao was a one way player who couldn't dunk on Nate Robinson or play defense despite giving 100% effort. He's in the HOF because he's from China and made a handful of all star games, most of which NBA fans from China voted for.

[sutton]

This is going to be Lin's career year, 1st time after 9 games Linsanity run he gets to run offense for whole season.

[Kswiss]

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

Screw Mchale / Morey, he is a bad coach. Plus he had an axe to grind to against Lin , it was so obvious. Harden/Lin backcourt could have worked, if not for him.

McHale is not a bad coach, not a great coach either, but he is a good coach... Lin/Harden backcourt worked fine, one of the best at the time... it is just the Beverley/Harden, Lin sixth man combinations made the team more balanced and deeper... Being the sixth man of a team is not a slight, nothing to be shamed of ... if it were not for Bosh, they would not have traded Lin... all in all, Lin was pretty solid in Rockets, but he would never be Linsanity in Rockets, it is that simple, he will not have the ball with Harden in the picture....
it really boils down to how lin sees himself as a player... if he wants to settle to be a sixth man, or a leading guard to run a team, we know the answer now...

McHale is an awful coach, hence his vastly underperforming teams and recent firing. He has no idea about offensive schemes and lost countless games. Are you forgetting when Lin held Lillard to 0 PTs in the 4th quarter of game 6 vs. Blazers and on the last possession he thought it was a good idea to sub out Lin for "defensive purposes". We all know how that turned out. Not to mention never holding Harden accountable on defense. Also undermining Lin at all opportunities while pretending to be Lin's "big believer" even after he'd cut him previously for Johnny Flynn and was trying desperately to prove he was right. Lmao comon now be real. It's an insult to the good coaches of the league. Clifford for example was a fantastic coach, and really helped develop Lin's game. McHale was a worse coach than Byron Scott, because at least Byron was intentionally tanking and that was his sole purpose. I guarentee you all the "experimental" lineups and benching of the best players was calculated. BS may play dumb but that was all a front to let the Lakers tank and rebuild when they got a permanent coach. BS knew his role. Unfortunately for the Lakers the draft picks they got are for the most part awful so the future looks grim even with a great coach like Walton. Ingram may be decent (TBD) but the rest of their youth outside of Larry Nance are major busts.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Kwame brown is a shoe in for the HOF aswell.

[13th Man]

It makes me wonder if GoodDayLA is a troll.

Yep, pretty obvious now.

- Lin is a massive failure if the Nets don't make the playoffs
- HOF candidate by end of career
- good shot at the most 3-pointers in a game this season
- Yao sucked and is only in the HOF because he's from China.

[Erichang]

GoodDayLA is a troll.
Yao is very dominate when healthy.
If he is not a troll, then what should a troll look like ?

[ChokeFasncists]

its not so much that lopez is bad.... its that his limitations REALLY put pressure on the other 4 guys:

he cant switch on to smalls, which means we have to either help on every screen he is involved in, or trail/trap every screen he is involved in. and he is poor at trapping, so its usually trail.

he is very cumbersome, so while he does a good job preventing FG's at the rim when he is already near the rim, he isnt very good at being a rim protector in the sense that he cant often help and get in position to protect them rim in help situations.

in order to combat his slowness, he uses this low crouch, making him go from 7 feet to like 6'4" taking his size out of the equation.

we are always dead last defending threes because we have to have our wings pinch in on 1-5 screens all the time. leaves the perimeter threes open. all 7 coaches had no awnser for this. its the biggest problem with lopez.

put 3 or 4 excellent defenders around lopez and he probably looks solid on D. but his limitations really hurt you if you dont. and we certainly dont

I do understand that it's a big weakness but does the starters' defense deserve the label "putrid" just cuz of it?

yes. we werent the worst team in the league last year because of some fluke. foye and booker help, but they arent elite defenders. its one of those things hard to see on paper... lopez isnt a bad defender, but he really makes it an uphill battle to be good defensively as a team. you just cant do the things you need to succeed defensively in todays nba with him at center.

the year he got hurt and KG was center it was night and day for us defensively, especially against the 3pt shot

Well.....it's KG.......

Foye, Booker and Lin are not elite but they're certainly much better than Ellington, old JJ, Larkin, JJ, Sloan and Thad. RHJ should have improved quite a bit now.

Not to mention Atkinson can stagger Brook's minutes and put Hamilton on the floor with the starters sometimes.

Well, let's just hope you guys are wrong. The D might be bad but shouldn't be putrid. Atkinson says defense first, ball movement second. He had experience with the Hawks who were a great defensive team. Guys are gonna scrap and hustle.

[ChokeFasncists]

Apparently, NYU held a special 5th anniversary Linsanity panel last week. It's a bit strange for two reasons. One, JLin is from Harvard and not NYU. Two, he didn't attend nor was he a part of the proceedings. It seems NYU loved Linsanity so much that they held the event on their own, even though we're 5yrs removed.

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The hashtags reference #nyuRLHU (NYU Residential Life and Housing Services) and #nyuFFIR (Faculty Fellows in Residence). So I guess the special Linsanity 5th Anniversary discussion panel was organized by Residential Life and Housing Services with some Faculty Fellows who may have been around in NYC 5yrs ago for Linsanity and still remembered. Linsanity left a huge impression on NYC, and apparently also on the faculty fellows at NYU who went and organized this anniversary celebration event for the students.

Wow! Why Lin didn't attend?!? In Boston already?

[ChokeFasncists]

Yes you're right lol

but just not believing can get in the way of allowing something to happen sometimes

Even in that interview, mchale said Lin will make mistakes (even though they are mistakes of effort, mchale says), Lin can be reckless (though he says now that is a good thing), and that sometimes you have to tell Lin not to go full out all the time. I sympathize with McHale more now -- Lin wasn't the player then that he is now. But Lin always had this potential -- and McHale just did not see it.

Screw Mchale / Morey, he is a bad coach. Plus he had an axe to grind to against Lin , it was so obvious. Harden/Lin backcourt could have worked, if not for him.

McHale is not a bad coach, not a great coach either, but he is a good coach... Lin/Harden backcourt worked fine, one of the best at the time... it is just the Beverley/Harden, Lin sixth man combinations made the team more balanced and deeper... Being the sixth man of a team is not a slight, nothing to be shamed of ... if it were not for Bosh, they would not have traded Lin... all in all, Lin was pretty solid in Rockets, but he would never be Linsanity in Rockets, it is that simple, he will not have the ball with Harden in the picture....
it really boils down to how lin sees himself as a player... if he wants to settle to be a sixth man, or a leading guard to run a team, we know the answer now...

Na, na, McDumbBell is not really a good coach. He's good at letting the players play. He's terrible at Xs and Os, he spoiled his stars, he put the ball in Harden's hand, alienating everyone else except for Bev. He doesn't hold his stars accountable, especially on D, demoralizing the team. Passing PGs don't make good 6th men. It was a terrible decision, the point guard's supposed to pass the ball to the scorers like Dwight, instead of just giving the ball to the scorer and stand in the corner. He tired Harden out by letting him do everything on offense. Now they have only role players except for Harden on the team in Houston that would work better but they won't ever be a contender, like when they had a chance with Lin (as starting facilitating PG), Harden (should have been SG), Parsons, whoever at PF and Dwight. That team should have been contending for championship for a long time. His offense was chaotic, he couldn't coach defense very well either, except for saying "play harder", "the ball sticks". He relied too much on Harden drawing cheap fouls, didn't work in the playoffs except for that meltdown by the Clippers. He couldn't do anything about the problems and he's a bad teacher. What an opportunity wasted cuz of this McDimwitHell. Imagine if there was an actual good coach at the helm? They should have fired him much much sooner and gotten a real coach. But hey, he obeyed Morey, what do you do? (like asking Lin not to shoot midrange Js)

[MrDollarBills]

I'm here to assure everyone that as a Lin fan, I'm not under the delusion that Lin is even close to being likely to become a HOFer. All I'd hope for is for him to string together a few near all-star seasons, and maybe even 1 legitimate all-star season. If he does that, I'd consider his career a great success. He's an undrafted guy out of Harvard, who most people didn't even think would be in the NBA at all. He's really overachieving already if he does what I said, anything more than that I would be ecstatic. BTW, not agreeing that Lin is going to average 70% shooting is nothing to brag about.

Also there is no comparison to Yao, Yao was the best center in the league for a couple of years. Lin has never been the best at his position nor will he.

Yao was not the best center in the league at any time. Please don't insult Shaquille O'Neal. Yao was a one way player who couldn't dunk on Nate Robinson or play defense despite giving 100% effort. He's in the HOF because he's from China and made a handful of all star games, most of which NBA fans from China voted for.

WTF??? While Yao wasn't the best center in the league he was still a top 20 player in the sport at that time and a top 2-3 big man.

Yao Ming's numbers were excellent across the board and his defensive metrics are all in the positive, and was on 5 all nba teams. Saying he was a one way player is utterly ridiculous he averaged 2 blocks for his career

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