Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Shook Jones]

Nets made contact with Thomas Robinson. Interesting addition and adds to athleticism. Guess they REALLY dont want Blache back.

I would love to steal Sanders since the Bucks cut him. Imagine him in his right mind next to Lopez. He is what we pray Plumlee to be.

[Swav718]

I heard Boston might let go Brandon Bass. Who would be a better fit, him or robinson?

[MrDollarBills]

Nets made contact with Thomas Robinson. Interesting addition and adds to athleticism. Guess they REALLY dont want Blache back.

I would love to steal Sanders since the Bucks cut him. Imagine him in his right mind next to Lopez. He is what we pray Plumlee to be.

If you showed up for work piss drunk, do you think your employer would want you back?

That's why I have been silent about the Blatche stuff.

[JoseRizal]

It's great to be back! (after a 1 month ban)

I'm just glad the trade deadline is over, at least the players could focus more on the last 30 games. I'm sure it's mentally tough for any player hearing their names in trade rumors. Now our big-paid 3 could hopefully turn the corner and give us fans hope of at least making the playoffs.

After much thought, I came to appreciate the fact that the OKC trade didn't push through. Maybe because I'm not a Reggie Jackson fan (paying him max money would be a mistake). Thad as a consolation is enough to compensate for the lack of movement at the deadline.

Against the Lakers, I saw how a motivated Deron can really benefit the team. He's still the best playmaker/distributor of this team and really gave a lot of opportunities to our shooters like Bogs.

As for Lopez, there's no doubt that he can dominate on the offensive end, but I'm hoping to see more effort on D like a simple box-out. Still not sure at the BLo-Plums combo.

JJ is still the best player of this team. If only his minutes can be lessened, he would definitely be effective in the 4th.

If only our players can be consistent every night, there's no reason we can't make the playoffs...

[therealbig3]

I'm pretty bummed tbh. KG was easily my favorite player on the team. Not his fault that his body couldn't keep up anymore. But he was still the best big on the team, and he always brought it in terms of effort and leadership. The one guy on the team whose passion couldn't be questioned.

I was super excited to have him on my team, and I really wish he could have retired here. But he went back to his original team, and even though he wasn't here for very long, I really appreciated everything he gave us these last 1.5 years.

People are quick to point out his failures as a Net, but a lot of people overlook just how important he was against Toronto last year. Once he started seeing consistent minutes, he was HUGE for us. We don't advance without him.

[CalamityX12]

6'10 my ass lol.... But I'm open for trob addition since we need help....

Bass though, that be a very interesting pickup instead if his play hasnt declined... Idk if it did or not

[CalamityX12]

Jesus, we could've had lance.... Fmnl

[F3LON]

We can sit here and argue about Lopez impact.

But sit back and think for a moment...King reportedly was going to hand the keys of the franchise to Reggie Jackson who turned down 4yr/48mil from the Thunder in search of a bigger deal and a starting role.

When I heard the reporters saying King told him that's the plan, I posted that he's bluffing because I thought there was no way a team would make Reggie Jackson it's cornerstone.

But what if that was true? King would've only compounded his previous errors unless he found a way to S&T him this offseason. The best part of the deal for me was PJ on a rookie contract followed by the savings we would have from Perk's expiring contract. We'd have 30 games to see if PJ is as good as I think he can be while getting close to or below LT if Reggie walks and Perk expires.

There are so many question marks concerning Reggie that I refuse to believe we seriously considered giving him a contract larger than 4yr/48mil.

I saw this deal as a way to get a prospect for free. Having Reggie or Brook isn't going to make this team much better or much worse this season and both could no longer be Nets after the end of the season. If we had done the trade we would've at least had another prospect who will definitely be here next year on a rookie deal.

I think the character concerns with Reggie are seriously overblown. I would expect a player who is confident in his abilities to be pissed he is a backup. It's why I have such a low opinion of DWill. Reggie wants to start. Steve Nash once played on a team with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson blocking his playing time. Circumstance can factor into weather or not a player is considered a good teammate.

Im not a being believer in Reggie's talent though so I am glad that team fell through. I dont think PG is a position you pay in the NBA. IF it was then players like Chris Paul would have been champions already. You pay bigs and guys who can score in ISO and get to the line frequently.

[Trader_Joe]

How did we get all that flexibility?
JJ, D.Will and Jack would still be here unless we start using assets to dump them.
See my post above.

Jack would've been dealt to Washington.

As for the MLE/BA...why lock into mediocre players (Martel Websters of the world with the MLE) when that starts killing any 2016 chances?

Who said anything about 'Martel Websters' of the world? You expect us not to sign anyone this summer just because we are pursuing the most cap space?

Sign and trades?
What reasonable contracts do we have to send out and what assets to attach to them?
Especially contract and assets that 29 other teams couldn't trump in a heartbeat?

Is Plumlee not an asset? Is Thaddeus Young's expiring not an asset? Is Bogdanovic not an asset? Reggie Jackson is an asset. You have options regardless if it's going to happen or not. That's the point.

Jack would've been dealt to Washington.

Why?
They got Sessions. And again if the Jackson deal went down it would have been last minute with no time to do anything.
Meanwhile what about D.Will and JJ?
Without them gone we have no flexibility.

Who said anything about 'Martel Websters' of the world? You expect us not to sign anyone this summer just because we are pursuing the most cap space?

That's what you get with the MLE.. Martel Webster's.
The MLE is meant to sign average players with the league average salary.

We don't need more mediocrity we need stars to win in this league.
You can say look at Atlanta or the old Pistons but they are the exception to the rule and still all-stars. They don't go for the MLE they still need a big contract or big return in trade.

You get stars one of the 3 ways
1. High end draft picks.. we don't have any until 2019 at the earliest
2. Trade.. except we have no assets that could land a star, especially relative to the rest of the NBA
3. Free agency.... our only hope in 2016.

Is Plumlee not an asset? Is Thaddeus Young's expiring not an asset? Is Bogdanovic not an asset? Reggie Jackson is an asset. You have options regardless if it's going to happen or not. That's the point

We wouldn't trade Jackson, nor would we right after we signed him to a major deal.
The rest are about as blah as you can get. Our top assets are middling assets on most teams. They wouldn't get us squat. We would be outbid by every other team in the league if there was a decent player available for trade. We also wouldn't be anywhere far enough under the cap to think about signing a decent FA. and we don't need "decent" FAs we need major players.


I have yet to see anybody show me an actual plan that would have made sense. If we moved at least 3 of D.Will/JJ/Lopez/Jack maybe there was potential, but we didn't nor did we seemingly have a chance to or I think we would have. D.Will to SAC was a while ago and would have meant moving Plumlee. JJ to Detroit seemingly didn't have legs and certainly wasn't an option as Detroit was pursuing Jackson along with us. We tried our best to move Lopez but OKC found a better deal. Jack was rumored to Detroit or Washington but they too found better options.

If we had desirable players or assets, we wouldn't be in this conundrum, but we don't.

Again you are advocating for essentially the team I mentioned a page back.. a team with a $90m+ payroll and a long way to go to get under the tax let alone be able to do exceptions and sign and trades.. and even if we did we'd be getting back the most pedestrian of players and take ourselves out of any chance of 2016. If 2016 doesn't work, then you go that route without dumping assets to do so. It is all of 16 months away, why panic and make moves that really don't put us in a much better position a year earlier?


like I pointed out...

Jackson / D.Will / Jack / Morris
Anderson / Brown / Karasev
Johnson / Bogdanovic / PJ3
Young / Jefferson / Teletovic
Plumlee / Jordan

And then we would have been DESPERATE to move D.Will/Jack/JJ as that team would continue to cost us an arm and a leg, including $42m+ at the PG position alone next season. As we know there is know market for D.Will without attaching assets like Plumlee, and I don't see a team taking JJ for cap space next summer. We could probably find a taker for Jack but who knows.

Jackson - 15
D.Will - 21
Jack - 6
Bogdanovic 3.5
Johnson - 25
Young - 10
Teletovic - 6?
Plumlee - 1.5
Brown - 1
Karasev - 1.5
PJ3 - 2

Show me
a. Who we move and how we get under the tax
b. What we do once we are there
c. What that roster looks like in 2016 and what we do then

Now, I'll show you what I would do with what we have now.
Not much...
If we can't move JJ or Lopez for actual assets or major salary relief that gets under the tax next year, let them expire.

Go into 2016 with...

D.Will's massive $23m expiring deal
Plumlee
Bogdanovic
Maybe Teletovic is he is signed at a reasonable rate
ATL #1
Karasev
Brown

Aim for the best FA's possible.
It's supposed to be an epic class.
Players who can be a FA that year, will be a FA that year (as in opt out early, or opt into 2015 so they wait a year)
Players who are FAs in 2015 may sign one year deals or have opt outs for 2016.

That list includes...
LBJ, Durant, Howard, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Batum Derozen, Conley
2015 FAs who may try their luck in 2016 includes:
Dragic, Rondo, LMA, Gasol, Millsap, Ellis, A.Jefferson,Love, D.Jordan

And I'm not listing restricted FAs.

D.Will's contract will be interesting by then.
It's a large expirer that either we attach assets to and use in trade or sign and trade, or we let expire and have another chance in 2017 free agency.

I just don't see a reason to change directions yet again unless it's a drastic overhaul that makes sense. I don't think that's an option however.

[Mkdaman1818]

No Robinson it looks like?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timbontemps/status/569624747593601024[/tweet]

[Keith Van Horn]

No Robinson it looks like?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timbontemps/status/569624747593601024[/tweet]

Does he give any reason why? Or is he a jaded Nets writer and that's why he said that?

[Mkdaman1818]

No Robinson it looks like?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timbontemps/status/569624747593601024[/tweet]

Does he give any reason why? Or is he a jaded Nets writer and that's why he said that?

He gets into a pseudo Twitter exchange with some dude in this chain below, but basically he says he asked his sources and they said they were saying the nets weren't interested.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timbontemps/status/569625661238857728[/tweet]

[MrDollarBills]

How did we get all that flexibility?
JJ, D.Will and Jack would still be here unless we start using assets to dump them.
See my post above.

Jack would've been dealt to Washington.

As for the MLE/BA...why lock into mediocre players (Martel Websters of the world with the MLE) when that starts killing any 2016 chances?

Who said anything about 'Martel Websters' of the world? You expect us not to sign anyone this summer just because we are pursuing the most cap space?

Sign and trades?
What reasonable contracts do we have to send out and what assets to attach to them?
Especially contract and assets that 29 other teams couldn't trump in a heartbeat?

Is Plumlee not an asset? Is Thaddeus Young's expiring not an asset? Is Bogdanovic not an asset? Reggie Jackson is an asset. You have options regardless if it's going to happen or not. That's the point.

Jack would've been dealt to Washington.

Why?
They got Sessions. And again if the Jackson deal went down it would have been last minute with no time to do anything.
Meanwhile what about D.Will and JJ?
Without them gone we have no flexibility.

Who said anything about 'Martel Websters' of the world? You expect us not to sign anyone this summer just because we are pursuing the most cap space?

That's what you get with the MLE.. Martel Webster's.
The MLE is meant to sign average players with the league average salary.

We don't need more mediocrity we need stars to win in this league.
You can say look at Atlanta or the old Pistons but they are the exception to the rule and still all-stars. They don't go for the MLE they still need a big contract or big return in trade.

You get stars one of the 3 ways
1. High end draft picks.. we don't have any until 2019 at the earliest
2. Trade.. except we have no assets that could land a star, especially relative to the rest of the NBA
3. Free agency.... our only hope in 2016.

Is Plumlee not an asset? Is Thaddeus Young's expiring not an asset? Is Bogdanovic not an asset? Reggie Jackson is an asset. You have options regardless if it's going to happen or not. That's the point

We wouldn't trade Jackson, nor would we right after we signed him to a major deal.
The rest are about as blah as you can get. Our top assets are middling assets on most teams. They wouldn't get us squat. We would be outbid by every other team in the league if there was a decent player available for trade. We also wouldn't be anywhere far enough under the cap to think about signing a decent FA. and we don't need "decent" FAs we need major players.


I have yet to see anybody show me an actual plan that would have made sense. If we moved at least 3 of D.Will/JJ/Lopez/Jack maybe there was potential, but we didn't nor did we seemingly have a chance to or I think we would have. D.Will to SAC was a while ago and would have meant moving Plumlee. JJ to Detroit seemingly didn't have legs and certainly wasn't an option as Detroit was pursuing Jackson along with us. We tried our best to move Lopez but OKC found a better deal. Jack was rumored to Detroit or Washington but they too found better options.

If we had desirable players or assets, we wouldn't be in this conundrum, but we don't.

Again you are advocating for essentially the team I mentioned a page back.. a team with a $90m+ payroll and a long way to go to get under the tax let alone be able to do exceptions and sign and trades.. and even if we did we'd be getting back the most pedestrian of players and take ourselves out of any chance of 2016. If 2016 doesn't work, then you go that route without dumping assets to do so. It is all of 16 months away, why panic and make moves that really don't put us in a much better position a year earlier?


like I pointed out...

Jackson / D.Will / Jack / Morris
Anderson / Brown / Karasev
Johnson / Bogdanovic / PJ3
Young / Jefferson / Teletovic
Plumlee / Jordan

And then we would have been DESPERATE to move D.Will/Jack/JJ as that team would continue to cost us an arm and a leg, including $42m+ at the PG position alone next season. As we know there is know market for D.Will without attaching assets like Plumlee, and I don't see a team taking JJ for cap space next summer. We could probably find a taker for Jack but who knows.

Jackson - 15
D.Will - 21
Jack - 6
Bogdanovic 3.5
Johnson - 25
Young - 10
Teletovic - 6?
Plumlee - 1.5
Brown - 1
Karasev - 1.5
PJ3 - 2

Show me
a. Who we move and how we get under the tax
b. What we do once we are there
c. What that roster looks like in 2016 and what we do then

Now, I'll show you what I would do with what we have now.
Not much...
If we can't move JJ or Lopez for actual assets or major salary relief that gets under the tax next year, let them expire.

Go into 2016 with...

D.Will's massive $23m expiring deal
Plumlee
Bogdanovic
Maybe Teletovic is he is signed at a reasonable rate
ATL #1
Karasev
Brown

Aim for the best FA's possible.
It's supposed to be an epic class.
Players who can be a FA that year, will be a FA that year (as in opt out early, or opt into 2015 so they wait a year)
Players who are FAs in 2015 may sign one year deals or have opt outs for 2016.

That list includes...
LBJ, Durant, Howard, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Batum Derozen, Conley
2015 FAs who may try their luck in 2016 includes:
Dragic, Rondo, LMA, Gasol, Millsap, Ellis, A.Jefferson,Love, D.Jordan

And I'm not listing restricted FAs.

D.Will's contract will be interesting by then.
It's a large expirer that either we attach assets to and use in trade or sign and trade, or we let expire and have another chance in 2017 free agency.

I just don't see a reason to change directions yet again unless it's a drastic overhaul that makes sense. I don't think that's an option however.

LOL @ that 2016 list. Good luck signing anything but the lower tier names on that list

[Trader_Joe]

Jack would've been dealt to Washington.

Who said anything about 'Martel Websters' of the world? You expect us not to sign anyone this summer just because we are pursuing the most cap space?


Is Plumlee not an asset? Is Thaddeus Young's expiring not an asset? Is Bogdanovic not an asset? Reggie Jackson is an asset. You have options regardless if it's going to happen or not. That's the point.

Jack would've been dealt to Washington.

Why?
They got Sessions. And again if the Jackson deal went down it would have been last minute with no time to do anything.
Meanwhile what about D.Will and JJ?
Without them gone we have no flexibility.

Who said anything about 'Martel Websters' of the world? You expect us not to sign anyone this summer just because we are pursuing the most cap space?

That's what you get with the MLE.. Martel Webster's.
The MLE is meant to sign average players with the league average salary.

We don't need more mediocrity we need stars to win in this league.
You can say look at Atlanta or the old Pistons but they are the exception to the rule and still all-stars. They don't go for the MLE they still need a big contract or big return in trade.

You get stars one of the 3 ways
1. High end draft picks.. we don't have any until 2019 at the earliest
2. Trade.. except we have no assets that could land a star, especially relative to the rest of the NBA
3. Free agency.... our only hope in 2016.

Is Plumlee not an asset? Is Thaddeus Young's expiring not an asset? Is Bogdanovic not an asset? Reggie Jackson is an asset. You have options regardless if it's going to happen or not. That's the point

We wouldn't trade Jackson, nor would we right after we signed him to a major deal.
The rest are about as blah as you can get. Our top assets are middling assets on most teams. They wouldn't get us squat. We would be outbid by every other team in the league if there was a decent player available for trade. We also wouldn't be anywhere far enough under the cap to think about signing a decent FA. and we don't need "decent" FAs we need major players.


I have yet to see anybody show me an actual plan that would have made sense. If we moved at least 3 of D.Will/JJ/Lopez/Jack maybe there was potential, but we didn't nor did we seemingly have a chance to or I think we would have. D.Will to SAC was a while ago and would have meant moving Plumlee. JJ to Detroit seemingly didn't have legs and certainly wasn't an option as Detroit was pursuing Jackson along with us. We tried our best to move Lopez but OKC found a better deal. Jack was rumored to Detroit or Washington but they too found better options.

If we had desirable players or assets, we wouldn't be in this conundrum, but we don't.

Again you are advocating for essentially the team I mentioned a page back.. a team with a $90m+ payroll and a long way to go to get under the tax let alone be able to do exceptions and sign and trades.. and even if we did we'd be getting back the most pedestrian of players and take ourselves out of any chance of 2016. If 2016 doesn't work, then you go that route without dumping assets to do so. It is all of 16 months away, why panic and make moves that really don't put us in a much better position a year earlier?


like I pointed out...

Jackson / D.Will / Jack / Morris
Anderson / Brown / Karasev
Johnson / Bogdanovic / PJ3
Young / Jefferson / Teletovic
Plumlee / Jordan

And then we would have been DESPERATE to move D.Will/Jack/JJ as that team would continue to cost us an arm and a leg, including $42m+ at the PG position alone next season. As we know there is know market for D.Will without attaching assets like Plumlee, and I don't see a team taking JJ for cap space next summer. We could probably find a taker for Jack but who knows.

Jackson - 15
D.Will - 21
Jack - 6
Bogdanovic 3.5
Johnson - 25
Young - 10
Teletovic - 6?
Plumlee - 1.5
Brown - 1
Karasev - 1.5
PJ3 - 2

Show me
a. Who we move and how we get under the tax
b. What we do once we are there
c. What that roster looks like in 2016 and what we do then

Now, I'll show you what I would do with what we have now.
Not much...
If we can't move JJ or Lopez for actual assets or major salary relief that gets under the tax next year, let them expire.

Go into 2016 with...

D.Will's massive $23m expiring deal
Plumlee
Bogdanovic
Maybe Teletovic is he is signed at a reasonable rate
ATL #1
Karasev
Brown

Aim for the best FA's possible.
It's supposed to be an epic class.
Players who can be a FA that year, will be a FA that year (as in opt out early, or opt into 2015 so they wait a year)
Players who are FAs in 2015 may sign one year deals or have opt outs for 2016.

That list includes...
LBJ, Durant, Howard, Horford, Noah, Hibbert, Batum Derozen, Conley
2015 FAs who may try their luck in 2016 includes:
Dragic, Rondo, LMA, Gasol, Millsap, Ellis, A.Jefferson,Love, D.Jordan

And I'm not listing restricted FAs.

D.Will's contract will be interesting by then.
It's a large expirer that either we attach assets to and use in trade or sign and trade, or we let expire and have another chance in 2017 free agency.

I just don't see a reason to change directions yet again unless it's a drastic overhaul that makes sense. I don't think that's an option however.

LOL @ that 2016 list. Good luck signing anything but the lower tier names on that list

So show me an alternative.

You realize we have no draft picks until 2019 that could be any good?
Show me any decent players we could trade for using the assets we have?

Our assets are the worst in the league.
Our players are some of the worst relative to their production in the league...that's why a. We stink and b. No one wants them. If they were anywhere worth their contracts we would be one of the top teams in the East...or in simplostic theory the best team in the league since we have the highest payroll. But we are below average team with the highest payroll. Doesn't that tell you something about the players and their value?

So as far as I can tell some people think the best route was to lock RJ into a max continuing to compound are salary issues and build around him and the mediocre players that the MLE, BAE and trades could get us. Reminds me of 2010 all over again. Devin Harris as RJ and we sign players like Morrow, Farmer, Petro with the exceptions and trade for Outlaw type players as that's what are "assets" are about worth. No thanks.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not arguing that Joe...I just don't see us getting anything of substance from that list

[Prokorov]

Really excellent post. I enjoyed reading that. And yes I do see your view completely.

Quick replies.

On a stats based argument for this specific season yeah..of course not much of a difference to Kanter. But that would be like comparing Vince Carter scoring 16ppg down the stretch of his final Raps season and being surprised when he starts dropping 30 nightly. I just think its fair to say that Brook has been put out of the mix with this coach and its to everyone's detriment. I think that if we could simply commit back to this guy...that we would play more like 3 seasons ago and be back to a .500 type team. I dont know if this coach can win him back or restore his confidence for this year...but I have such a low opinion of what I have seen of Stephenson that I would react to him much like you did before Blatche got here. I see him as a minus. But one that costs us a 26 year old center who was an all star 5 seconds ago that seems to be healthy for a change I dont see the value in that.

I see where you are coming from on that. And Lopez is probably better then he has been before Hollins beat him down. But I also don't think he was as good as you do even when he was an all-star. But thats all opinion and we disagree so lets mvoe on from there. I can see where you are at with stephenson, and while he was the guy i wanted most, if he isnt the guy, go elsewhere. there were other SG's moved and others who were options. afflolo got moved, martin was supposedly available, etc... for me it was always that id want to move him for a gaurd, we had the depth at big, we had a weakness at SG, and brook was playing the among worst he ever has(regardless of the reason why, him or hollins.).

Now, sure I think its a very reasonable argument to say...if you think he is gone in a year...why not make a deal? My point is the deal I wanted was future asset value. Picks. Tradeable assets for down the road. Restock the cupboard left bare by BK through all these other deal. I wanted the Dragic type deal. If you cant make that deal...then the sum gain of not trading for a guy I view as a minus for the short term over a guy I think is vastly better but not helping is zero. I wouldnt have lost my mind over the trade but I wouldnt have been excited either. I saw no upside in that trade short or long term. I saw absolutely nothing of merit for our team talent wise.

I dont think that deal was there. it is hard to really get future assets for someone like lopez. with that contract/injury its tough. not even the money on the contract, but that fact lopez can opt in if he stinks or gets hurt and go into FA if he does well. you arent getting a dragic package for that. if you could, of course id be on board.

As far as trading lopez for a guy "better but not helping" i agree, future nothing changes. and since nothing changes future, id rather the guy who is better now. maybe he doesnt help, but if he helps by 1 game in the standings that means playoffs. and i think playoffs are more then a ho-hum thing if all it does is give the fans a false sense of excitement and spare us of watching the hawks turn over their card in the lottery.

you seem to view that scenario as 'why bother', i view it as 'why not?'. i guess different strokes ther as well.

Here's another scenario. Now that the trade deadline has passed. I fire Hollins. I try to refocus Lopez and get on his back the rest of the way. I do believe that refocusing a more talented Lopez is more viable the rest of this season that the hot mess that is Lance this season. Have you seen him? I mean...Travis Outlaw is saying..and you guys hated me????!

I dont know... i just dont think you can fire your coach, go with your 5th coach in 4 years with the reason being "its not the players its the coach" when you have had the same dwill//jj/lopez core underachive during that tenure with the highest success being a year where dwill was playing poor and lopez was out most of the year and livingston/Pierce/KG three guys instrumental in that are gone.

Lance has been a hot mess. but i think at worst he upgrades bogs. i think this team has responded without lopez before. i dont think it is unheard of we see us play a bit better. but again, speculation. I REALLY dont see us getting better with a new coach and hoping he can fix what the prior 4 couldnt. I think the pieces dont fit, and none of them are good enough to elevate us beyond that based on talent if they are featured. so for me, its "get pieces that fit better". maybe thats not lance. but again, there were other otpions... there were also options that gave us more depth. so even if 1 guy wasnt ebtter, we'd be deeper.

All in all, i just dont see any reason to not have dealt lopez unless:

1) you couldnt do it without taking on salary(didnt seem to be the case)
2) you are on board to extend lopez

maybe im missing a 3rd option

[Prokorov]

6'10 my ass lol.... But I'm open for trob addition since we need help....

Bass though, that be a very interesting pickup instead if his play hasnt declined... Idk if it did or not

I'd prefer trob to Bass. i like bass alot, but the last thing we need is another big who is love with long jumpers

[Prokorov]

I think the character concerns with Reggie are seriously overblown. I would expect a player who is confident in his abilities to be pissed he is a backup. It's why I have such a low opinion of DWill. Reggie wants to start. Steve Nash once played on a team with Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson blocking his playing time. Circumstance can factor into weather or not a player is considered a good teammate.

Im not a being believer in Reggie's talent though so I am glad that team fell through. I dont think PG is a position you pay in the NBA. IF it was then players like Chris Paul would have been champions already. You pay bigs and guys who can score in ISO and get to the line frequently.

I agree... in fact, the only reason Drazen Petrovic was a net was because he had an even bigger blowup in philly, and even bigger ego and demanded out because he was stuck behind several stars on that team. i can see concerns with guys like lance and dray. but a guy who is stuck behind stars who wants out i worry about less.

[Prokorov]

I'm not arguing that Joe...I just don't see us getting anything of substance from that list

trading for reggie didnt mean we had to sign him. we could have rented him, and got PJ3 out of it, who while not a great asset would still add to what we have.

We also gain the MLE, which you may think "only gets you the martell websters of the world" but it gives you flexibility should something fall into your lap. gerald green fell into our lap. we werent able to sign him because Mirza negotiated a buyout and we were able to use that for him. that was 2 instances in 1 year where the MLE got us mroe then "the martell websters of the world".

beyond that, being able to take on salary in a sign and trade is big. we would gain that. we also gain the BAE, which can get you some cheap guys who want more then the minimum.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think that OKC was even going to trade with us to be honest after what King did in the previous talks.