Why Teletovic should start for Brooklyn

[Pen Island]

Rudy Gay is shooting 39% and 27% from 3 with the Toronto Raptors and you don't hesitate to throw him in my face when he has a good game DWill of the Godz. Remember when I said he was a mediocre jump shooter and I had no interest? And you said a change of scenery would magically force a rediscovery of his jumpshot?

Remember after his first 2 games where he was about average to above average and how you threw that in my face as some indictment, some HA moment that you were right all along?

Yea well he's a Gerald Wallace-esque 57% at the rim now, has dropped to 36% from 3-9 feet, 34% from 16-3pt range.

He has now hit only FOURTY THREE PERCENT OF HIS LAYUPS.

Yet you are enamored with Gay and can't stop throwing him in my face. Just admit you despise Mirza and will look to put him down no matter what and you will continue to change the discussion and build strawman arguments to convince yourself you're using some sort of logic.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

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He's being guarded AND defending Marc Gasol. You have no credibility.

He scored not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 but 5 whole points, in 14 minutes I might add. Counting two made baskets is embarrassing. Your the one with credibility issues. You cant distinguish between a good game and a meh game. Wake me up when he actually does have a good game.

[Pen Island]

We'll be sure to wake you up when he drops 50 points gets 10 rebounds and 10 assists. I'm sure you'll turn around and say it's a "meh" game because he did it against some bench players when the game was out of reach.

You'll always have some excuse for your misguided hatred for the guy.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Rudy Gay is shooting 39% and 27% from 3 with the Toronto Raptors and you don't hesitate to throw him in my face when he has a good game DWill of the Godz. Remember when I said he was a mediocre jump shooter and I had no interest? And you said a change of scenery would magically force a rediscovery of his jumpshot?

Remember after his first 2 games where he was about average to above average and how you threw that in my face as some indictment, some HA moment that you were right all along?

Yea well he's a Gerald Wallace-esque 57% at the rim now, has dropped to 36% from 3-9 feet, 34% from 16-3pt range.

He has now hit only FOURTY THREE PERCENT OF HIS LAYUPS.

Yet you are enamored with Gay and can't stop throwing him in my face. Just admit you despise Mirza and will look to put him down no matter what and you will continue to change the discussion and build strawman arguments to convince yourself you're using some sort of logic.

Last I checked Gay knows how to do other things like play defense and rebound. Toronto is 7-3 with him as their feature player. Mirza is a 3rd stringer who cant rebound or play defense for his life.

And your right I dont like Mirza. Never have. I didnt like Morrow either who is a similar player all be it at a different position. I dont like one trick ponies who cant even do their one trick well.

You talk about strawman yet make every excuse there is as to why Mirza's stats suck. Accountability is lacking. You souped him up all summer and he hasnt produced. Dont hate me, those are JUST FACTS.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

We'll be sure to wake you up when he drops 50 points gets 10 rebounds and 10 assists. I'm sure you'll turn around and say it's a "meh" game because he did it against some bench players when the game was out of reach.

You'll always have some excuse for your misguided hatred for the guy.

I keep hearing about what Mirza is GOING to do. You've been saying that since July. Here we are 8 months later and Im still waiting. It's going to be any day now. I'll see. You sure showed me.

[Pen Island]

Last I checked Gay knows how to do other things like play defense and rebound. Toronto is 7-3 with him as their feature player. Mirza is a 3rd stringer who cant rebound or play defense for his life.

Here's a fun logical fallacy. You're pretending that Rudy Gay is the sole reason (or even a large part of the reason) the Raptors are 7-3. I mean, just above, you just flat out destroyed Mirza for better shooting percentages than Rudy Gay! So what is it? Is it team success or individual success that you're looking for? Oh right. You're just looking for any avenue to bash Mirza Teletovic. Got it.

And your right I dont like Mirza. Never have. I didnt like Morrow either who is a similar player all be it at a different position. I dont like one trick ponies who cant even do their one trick well.

You NEVER bashed Morrow the way you bash Teletovic. Never. Ever. You never went out of your way to make ridiculous arguments as to why he's awful. You never trashed even Morrow's most respectable games as a Net. You never reacted with just vitriol with Anthony Morrow and such irrational logic. You never were in a situation where literally every other person who reads what you write thinks you're a lunatic. The two situations aren't comparable.

You talk about strawman yet make every excuse there is as to why Mirza's stats suck. Accountability is lacking. You souped him up all summer and he hasnt produced. Dont hate me, those are JUST FACTS.

I have yet to make any excuse as to why Teletovic's stats are awful but I certainly do believe that the idea that a player playing inconsistent minutes will play poorly is supported strongly. You can disagree with this assertion but you would be in the minority. Considering every coach you'll ever speak to or listen to in reference to Teletovic (and his teammates as well) echo how hard it is to just enter a game cold after being DNP-CD two games in a row...you know what I'm wasting my breath.

You lack logic. You hate the guy for the silliest of reasons and everyone around you either laughs, thinks you're a troll, or thinks your an idiot. I happen to know you're capable of putting forth logical arguments and have always begged you (well, nearly begged) to look at the situation objectively.

Think about this: YOU BURIED TELETOVIC AFTER HIS FIRST PRE-SEASON GAME. How isn't that ridiculous to you? Look around you. We're about to put you in a straight jacket.

[Pen Island]

We'll be sure to wake you up when he drops 50 points gets 10 rebounds and 10 assists. I'm sure you'll turn around and say it's a "meh" game because he did it against some bench players when the game was out of reach.

You'll always have some excuse for your misguided hatred for the guy.

I keep hearing about what Mirza is GOING to do. You've been saying that since July. Here we are 8 months later and Im still waiting. It's going to be any day now. I'll see. You sure showed me.

I'm the one who said to give the guy a year to adjust. I never guaranteed he would be a star. I said it would depend on how well his defense translated to the NBA. His shooting is unquestionable, in my opinion, because I've seen the guy shoot for the past 4 years and do so at a really high level.

I can't imagine that you're this reactionary, demanding, impatient, and childish in the real world. I can't believe you're such a product of the demand culture we live in where you expect Teletovic to instantly produce. I just have to convince myself you hate the guy for irrational reasons or I die a little inside at the prospect of society.

Your arguments are that awful.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

We'll be sure to wake you up when he drops 50 points gets 10 rebounds and 10 assists. I'm sure you'll turn around and say it's a "meh" game because he did it against some bench players when the game was out of reach.

You'll always have some excuse for your misguided hatred for the guy.

I keep hearing about what Mirza is GOING to do. You've been saying that since July. Here we are 8 months later and Im still waiting. It's going to be any day now. I'll see. You sure showed me.

This is what Mirza is best known for. Hard to get 50 when you do stuff like this.

[Pen Island]

We'll be sure to wake you up when he drops 50 points gets 10 rebounds and 10 assists. I'm sure you'll turn around and say it's a "meh" game because he did it against some bench players when the game was out of reach.

You'll always have some excuse for your misguided hatred for the guy.

I keep hearing about what Mirza is GOING to do. You've been saying that since July. Here we are 8 months later and Im still waiting. It's going to be any day now. I'll see. You sure showed me.

This is what Mirza is best known for. Hard to get 50 when you do stuff like this.

Honestly you've just become a troll. And I'm just going to follow along with everyone else and ignore you.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

You NEVER bashed Morrow the way you bash Teletovic. Never. Ever. You never went out of your way to make ridiculous arguments as to why he's awful. You never trashed even Morrow's most respectable games as a Net. You never reacted with just vitriol with Anthony Morrow and such irrational logic. You never were in a situation where literally every other person who reads what you write thinks you're a lunatic. The two situations aren't comparable.

You talk about strawman yet make every excuse there is as to why Mirza's stats suck. Accountability is lacking. You souped him up all summer and he hasnt produced. Dont hate me, those are JUST FACTS.

I have yet to make any excuse as to why Teletovic's stats are awful but I certainly do believe that the idea that a player playing inconsistent minutes will play poorly is supported strongly. You can disagree with this assertion but you would be in the minority. Considering every coach you'll ever speak to or listen to in reference to Teletovic (and his teammates as well) echo how hard it is to just enter a game cold after being DNP-CD two games in a row...you know what I'm wasting my breath.

You lack logic. You hate the guy for the silliest of reasons and everyone around you either laughs, thinks you're a troll, or thinks your an idiot. I happen to know you're capable of putting forth logical arguments and have always begged you (well, nearly begged) to look at the situation objectively.

Think about this: YOU BURIED TELETOVIC AFTER HIS FIRST PRE-SEASON GAME. How isn't that ridiculous to you? Look around you. We're about to put you in a straight jacket.

I actually got banned for hating on Morrow and J Trash. You wouldnt know that because NI deletes anti-Net posts.

Fact arent logic? Can you answer a straight question? If I showed you Mirza's stats before the season started would you say they are bad or good?

I actually buried him long before that. He doesnt have the lateral agility or size to play in the NBA at a high level. He is a tweener. To slow for SF to small and soft for PF. The NBA is littered with players like him who have failed.

[N Ireland Nets]

It's the way forward in telling you.

60% of the time, it works every time......

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

It's the way forward in telling you.

60% of the time, it works every time......

Chicken Little why am I not surprised.

If you cant accept others opinions maybe a Public Forum isnt the right place for you.

[PetroNet]

If you cant accept others opinions maybe a Public Forum isnt the right place for you.

you dont have opinions, you are just a troll

[NyCeEvO]

IMO, the last game should serve as ample evidence as to why Tele AT LEAST deserves more minutes than Reggie, if he's not going to start.

As soon as Tele came in, the ball started moving and our offense started to flow. Even though he only had 2 rebounds he grabbed his rebounds pretty forcefully and established solid position. (Evans grabs rebounds but almost never boxes out his man and because Brook isn't aggressive in getting rebounds, Reggie Evans gathers a lot of them and everyone thinks he's a rebounding fiend.)

At the Memphis game, I told my wife to watch Reggie for a 1-min sequence and just watch what he does. She says "He's not even looking at the ball (as he's setting picks on offense). How is he going to be able to do anything on offense"

It just so happened that right after that, we were doing inbounding play with about 3.2 seconds left on the shot clock (and I believe we just called a 20-sec timeout). So someone is trying to inbound the ball and obviously no one is covering Reggie so he calls for the ball but whoever was inbounding the ball was reluctant to pass to him (probably because they know nothing good will come out of it).

Anyway...so they pass him the ball Reggie starts dribbling like a fool and never looks up at the shot clock till the crowd is screaming for him to shoot it because the 24-sec clock is about to expire. He just throws the ball in the direction of the basket but was woefully off.

That one sequence perfectly identified Reggie Evans for me. He might be a solid rebounder, but that is the only thing he does adequately. He's completely unaware of what goes on offense and unskilled to even make a positive offensive play. He's a defensive sieve on defense and can't stop anyone to save his life.

He shouldn't play more than 10mpg and yet PJ has this guy out there for like 30mpg...smh

[Paradise]

IMO, the last game should serve as ample evidence as to why Tele AT LEAST deserves more minutes than Reggie, if he's not going to start.

As soon as Tele came in, the ball started moving and our offense started to flow. Even though he only had 2 rebounds he grabbed his rebounds pretty forcefully and established solid position. (Evans grabs rebounds but almost never boxes out his man and because Brook isn't aggressive in getting rebounds, Reggie Evans gathers a lot of them and everyone thinks he's a rebounding fiend.)

At the Memphis game, I told my wife to watch Reggie for a 1-min sequence and just watch what he does. She says "He's not even looking at the ball (as he's setting picks on offense). How is he going to be able to do anything on offense"

It just so happened that right after that, we were doing inbounding play with about 3.2 seconds left on the shot clock (and I believe we just called a 20-sec timeout). So someone is trying to inbound the ball and obviously no one is covering Reggie so he calls for the ball but whoever was inbounding the ball was reluctant to pass to him (probably because they know nothing good will come out of it).

Anyway...so they pass him the ball Reggie starts dribbling like a fool and never looks up at the shot clock till the crowd is screaming for him to shoot it because the 24-sec clock is about to expire. He just throws the ball in the direction of the basket but was woefully off.

That one sequence perfectly identified Reggie Evans for me. He might be a solid rebounder, but that is the only thing he does adequately. He's completely unaware of what goes on offense and unskilled to even make a positive offensive play. He's a defensive sieve on defense and can't stop anyone to save his life.

He shouldn't play more than 10mpg and yet PJ has this guy out there for like 30mpg...smh

Actually, in a few parts in the game Reggie was screaming for the ball in the post and nobody would pass it to him and he got an attitude. I got so pissed watching that, he was in such a bitchy fit over it, he stood in the paint for 5 seconds and the refs luckily missed it.

Reggie is only useful against guys like Randolph, West, Garnett to a certain degree. He cannot guard anyone else effectively and atleast 80% of his rebounds aren't even positive or impactful.

[wellpact]

Some people are that stubborn, like this one above.. give the guy a chance and see what he's got. Idiot P.J. is not even worth to have such player in his team. What he showed in Europe is worth 10 points average in his rookie season and 20 minutes minimum.

Bingo! What is PJ's problem with this guy?

[MGrand15]

Actually, in a few parts in the game Reggie was screaming for the ball in the post and nobody would pass it to him and he got an attitude. I got so pissed watching that, he was in such a bitchy fit over it, he stood in the paint for 5 seconds and the refs luckily missed it.

Reggie is only useful against guys like Randolph, West, Garnett to a certain degree. He cannot guard anyone else effectively and atleast 80% of his rebounds aren't even positive or impactful.

Before that play in Memphis where Marshon followed his own miss with a dunk, there were 7 seconds on the shot clock and Evans was demanding the ball in the post while being guarded by Randolph. Of course, Marshon waved him off but it really showed how clueless this guy is.

[NyCeEvO]

I think it's funny that multiple beat writers have said that upper management wants Teletovic to get more playing time and yet at the same time PJ is not giving to him.

He's either really foolish or intentionally trying to get fired lol.

[MGrand15]

He's either really foolish or intentionally trying to get fired lol.

Sounds like either way - he should be fired

[PetroNet]

The issue is, for mirza to start, something drastic needs to change as far as the teams bottom line in the W-L column.

right now we are on pace for 48-50 wins. PJ isnt going to change his rotations id we continue on a near 50 win pace. he certainly isnt changing his starting lineup if we are on a 48-50 win pace. reggie is going to continue to play 28 mpg. leaving 20 at PF between Hump, Mirza, Wallace, and Blatche. he is going to continue to miss and match based on his "gut".

The other issue is, when we lose, there are so many tangible excuses PJ can go to that allow him to dodge accepting that overplaying reggie is the problem, we allow 50 points per game in the pain in our losses. terrible and im not sure in his mind that mirza isnt changing that, dwill playign injured, long road trip/back to backs coming up, etc...

we would need to go on a 7-8 game losing streak or drop into the 6-8 seed area for him to really consider making a chance.