The Official Andrea Bargnani Thread

[Paradise]

Alexander his spot taken from the Bargs signing would be sickening. He could be a bust for all we know but he also looks like a slow learner. He would be the youngest Net since Favors.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't which is worse. Heated in depth discussion over Bargnani or fans thinking adding Bargnani in a third string role will make us miss the playoffs.

Like I said he wouldn't turn down more money to be a third string on a fringe playoff team. Some kind of incentive was offered. He has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony, the guy should be fired if he turned down more money so his client could be a third stringer.

Just wait and see I guess

He APPROACHED US.

Stop talking about a situation you know nothing about for god's sake. Your comments about "incentives" are nothing but conjecture.

[Trader_Joe]

I wonder if this was King's plan B - for Bargnani.

[MrDollarBills]

Alexander getting cut would be a bad move considering the fact that McCoullough will be in a suit all season. We need that 3rd PF.

[Net Sentence]

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

We are rolling the dice with younger players. You really think a bench with five rookies would be any more successful? I like Jeff Withey but Tyler and Aldrich do exactly what we want Robinson to do so that would also be pointless.

And this nonsense about his three point percentage is hilarious. He is a center who shoots threes. Last year he shot a better percentage than mostly everyone on the roster. Channing Frye just got paid last year $32 million to do exactly what we want Bargs to do.

Having watched him on the Raptors for a number of years, I understand why they are upset with him. Most never stop talking about LaMarcus Aldridge or even Brandon Roy. For Knicks fans I do not understand the hate for him aside from giving up picks. He barely played yet the story plays out like he was the main reason for losing seasons.

If anyone should be mad at a recent signing, it should be that we signed Earl Clark instead of taking a flyer on Aaron Craft or even Willie Reed.

My point regarding the 3 point shooting is he only made 15 3's last year. It's a very small sample size. Over the past few years he hasn't shot the 3 well.

And in the previous 3 years he hit 30, 38, 34. That's so much bigger

You only use the stats that support your narrative. The last time he took a good sample size of 3s was 10-11 when he hit 34.5%. He's missed significant time in the last 4 years. The more games he played in, the better he shot. We havent seen him be healthy in quite some time. That's the issue with Bargnani. He turns 30 in October and was a former #1 pick overall who has produced somewhat when healthy. This is the type of guy the term "flyer" is made for. He represents nothing but upside for the cost.

[Universe]

Alexander his spot taken from the Bargs signing would be sickening. He could be a bust for all we know but he also looks like a slow learner. He would be the youngest Net since Favors.

Luckily we'll still have the second youngest Net since Favors in Chris McCullough.

[Net Sentence]

Alexander his spot taken from the Bargs signing would be sickening. He could be a bust for all we know but he also looks like a slow learner. He would be the youngest Net since Favors.

Luckily we'll still have the second youngest Net since Favors in Chris McCullough.

If the Nets declare McCullough is out for the season then they can free his roster spot up. Here is what I expect the roster to look like

Lopez - Bargnani - Reed
Thad - T Rob - Alexander
Johnson - Bogs - Karasev
RHJ - Ellington - Markel
Jack - Larkin - Boatright
IR: McCullough

I expect Blake to be dumped. Jefferson and Clark to be waived. Markel is on the bubble in my opinion and might not be here if the Nets can find a PG/SG. Karasev should be that roster bubble guy but his Russian roots makes his roster spot safe.

[kerry kittles]

We are rolling the dice with younger players. You really think a bench with five rookies would be any more successful? I like Jeff Withey but Tyler and Aldrich do exactly what we want Robinson to do so that would also be pointless.

And this nonsense about his three point percentage is hilarious. He is a center who shoots threes. Last year he shot a better percentage than mostly everyone on the roster. Channing Frye just got paid last year $32 million to do exactly what we want Bargs to do.

Having watched him on the Raptors for a number of years, I understand why they are upset with him. Most never stop talking about LaMarcus Aldridge or even Brandon Roy. For Knicks fans I do not understand the hate for him aside from giving up picks. He barely played yet the story plays out like he was the main reason for losing seasons.

If anyone should be mad at a recent signing, it should be that we signed Earl Clark instead of taking a flyer on Aaron Craft or even Willie Reed.

My point regarding the 3 point shooting is he only made 15 3's last year. It's a very small sample size. Over the past few years he hasn't shot the 3 well.

And in the previous 3 years he hit 30, 38, 34. That's so much bigger

You only use the stats that support your narrative. The last time he took a good sample size of 3s was 10-11 when he hit 34.5%. He's missed significant time in the last 4 years. The more games he played in, the better he shot. We havent seen him be healthy in quite some time. That's the issue with Bargnani. He turns 30 in October and was a former #1 pick overall who has produced somewhat when healthy. This is the type of guy the term "flyer" is made for. He represents nothing but upside for the cost.

Ht took 115, 123. 103 3's the 3 prior seasons. He took 41 last year. So the sample size is over twice as large in each of those seasons, 3 times as last year in 2012-13. My argument has been over the past four years - a pretty significant period he hasn't shot the ball well and he's taken less 3's. Cumulatively, that makes up a pretty decent sized sample.

If we take a flyer give him a one year contract. I don't understand the 2nd year. We didn't give Blatche a 2 year contract right off the bat.

[Trader_Joe]

Alexander his spot taken from the Bargs signing would be sickening. He could be a bust for all we know but he also looks like a slow learner. He would be the youngest Net since Favors.

Luckily we'll still have the second youngest Net since Favors in Chris McCullough.

If the Nets declare McCullough is out for the season then they can free his roster spot up. Here is what I expect the roster to look like

Lopez - Bargnani - Reed
Thad - T Rob - Alexander
Johnson - Bogs - Karasev
RHJ - Ellington - Markel
Jack - Larkin - Boatright
IR: McCullough

I expect Blake to be dumped. Jefferson and Clark to be waived. Markel is on the bubble in my opinion and might not be here if the Nets can find a PG/SG. Karasev should be that roster bubble guy but his Russian roots makes his roster spot safe.

You sure we can do that?
Usually injury exceptions are granted during the season but we have to be down to 15 by then.
I don't know either way.

Personally I don't care if Karasev is gone.

[SIC]

The fact that he wanted to stay in NY should be another indication that he has something to prove.

Why stay in NY area for less instead of going to SAC for more money and less exposure?
Why not leave NBA, GET out of NY and go play in Europe for MORE money?
Why take less and ask for a player option next year after second year?

Not saying Barg is going to be an impact player based on his history, but hopefully BKing thinks that Barg has a chip on shoulder and wants to prove that he belongs in the NBA. Maybe BKing thinks Hollins shakes him up like he did Lopez.

As 12 or 13th man on this rotation, maybe Barg plays 10 mins and scores 10 pts. Thats all Nets would need from him with a bench of Larkin, Brown, Ellington, RHJ, TRob, Reed, Boatright and whoever wins last spots.

[Universe]

My point regarding the 3 point shooting is he only made 15 3's last year. It's a very small sample size. Over the past few years he hasn't shot the 3 well.

And in the previous 3 years he hit 30, 38, 34. That's so much bigger

You only use the stats that support your narrative. The last time he took a good sample size of 3s was 10-11 when he hit 34.5%. He's missed significant time in the last 4 years. The more games he played in, the better he shot. We havent seen him be healthy in quite some time. That's the issue with Bargnani. He turns 30 in October and was a former #1 pick overall who has produced somewhat when healthy. This is the type of guy the term "flyer" is made for. He represents nothing but upside for the cost.

Ht took 115, 123. 103 3's the 3 prior seasons. He took 41 last year. So the sample size is over twice as large in each of those seasons, 3 times as last year in 2012-13. My argument has been over the past four years - a pretty significant period he hasn't shot the ball well and he's taken less 3's. Cumulatively, that makes up a pretty decent sized sample.

If we take a flyer give him a one year contract. I don't understand the 2nd year. We didn't give Blatche a 2 year contract right off the bat.

Problem is you are forgetting to factor in injuries. It's only since he was traded to the Knicks that his three point attempts went down. On the Raptors he consistently averaged over three attempts per game. Personally, I'd be happy if he kept it around 1-2 per game just to keep the defense honest.

[jeff1624]

I'm gonna lose it if King declines Cory Jeffersons player option because of Bargnani.

It might have been declined regardless.

I'm sorry Cory Jefferson is not an NBA basketball player (at least not yet).

He needs way more time to develop before being able to do anything remotely positive on the floor. I lose 0 sleep if he's cut today.

His positive effect on the team (when he played meaningful minutes) was under the radar last season. Had a positive +/- and hustled more than anyone on the team. I don't expect him to be a star, nor do I consider him a good rotational player just yet, but this team never holds on to young players to develop them. I mean, San Antonio didn't release Cory Joseph after a bad rookie year... they developed him and he became a good sub. It can happen.

I understand waiving Jefferson or Brown etc if we were on the cusp of contending and wanted to improve the roster right away... or if we were signing a young player that had more potential... but why let him go just to sign a career underachiever who has happened to make every team he's been on worse? That is what annoys me. Here's hoping we don't decline his option though it appears to be a lock at the moment since we now have 6 PF/C's with guaranteed contracts. Man, I hate Billy King.

[Universe]

Luckily we'll still have the second youngest Net since Favors in Chris McCullough.

If the Nets declare McCullough is out for the season then they can free his roster spot up. Here is what I expect the roster to look like

Lopez - Bargnani - Reed
Thad - T Rob - Alexander
Johnson - Bogs - Karasev
RHJ - Ellington - Markel
Jack - Larkin - Boatright
IR: McCullough

I expect Blake to be dumped. Jefferson and Clark to be waived. Markel is on the bubble in my opinion and might not be here if the Nets can find a PG/SG. Karasev should be that roster bubble guy but his Russian roots makes his roster spot safe.

You sure we can do that?
Usually injury exceptions are granted during the season but we have to be down to 15 by then.
I don't know either way.

Personally I don't care if Karasev is gone.

That's what I'm not sure of either. I thought maybe they'd hold off signing him until he was ready so that we could keep a spot free. I also thought he was only out until November too.

[SpeedyG]

Yeah i'm curious to see what the ruling is on injury. I really haven't read anything indicating we can "stash" CMC. So he'll take up a roster spot.

[Universe]

It might have been declined regardless.

I'm sorry Cory Jefferson is not an NBA basketball player (at least not yet).

He needs way more time to develop before being able to do anything remotely positive on the floor. I lose 0 sleep if he's cut today.

His positive effect on the team (when he played meaningful minutes) was under the radar last season. Had a positive +/- and hustled more than anyone on the team. I don't expect him to be a star, nor do I consider him a good rotational player just yet, but this team never holds on to young players to develop them. I mean, San Antonio didn't release Cory Joseph after a bad rookie year... they developed him and he became a good sub. It can happen.

I understand waiving Jefferson or Brown etc if we were on the cusp of contending and wanted to improve the roster right away... or if we were signing a young player that had more potential... but why let him go just to sign a career underachiever who has happened to make every team he's been on worse? That is what annoys me. Here's hoping we don't decline his option though it appears to be a lock at the moment since we now have 6 PF/C's with guaranteed contracts. Man, I hate Billy King.

Cory was the 29th pick and only stayed for his freshmen year. Other Cory played four years.

[Net Sentence]

Luckily we'll still have the second youngest Net since Favors in Chris McCullough.

If the Nets declare McCullough is out for the season then they can free his roster spot up. Here is what I expect the roster to look like

Lopez - Bargnani - Reed
Thad - T Rob - Alexander
Johnson - Bogs - Karasev
RHJ - Ellington - Markel
Jack - Larkin - Boatright
IR: McCullough

I expect Blake to be dumped. Jefferson and Clark to be waived. Markel is on the bubble in my opinion and might not be here if the Nets can find a PG/SG. Karasev should be that roster bubble guy but his Russian roots makes his roster spot safe.

You sure we can do that?
Usually injury exceptions are granted during the season but we have to be down to 15 by then.
I don't know either way.

Personally I don't care if Karasev is gone.

I dont see why we wouldnt. If he is medically declared ineligible for the season I dont see how he will count as one of our roster spots. His salary will count against the cap though and it gives another player a job.

I dont see the Nets not keeping Alexander so if Im wrong Markel will probably not be on the team. People need to realize that Markel and CJ have very low ceilings in the NBA. Markel turns 24 in Jan and CJ will be 25 in December. The Nets arent going to let Karasev(22 in Oct) or Alexander (20 in Nov) go in favor of them.

[Kingsfan88]

I don't which is worse. Heated in depth discussion over Bargnani or fans thinking adding Bargnani in a third string role will make us miss the playoffs.

Like I said he wouldn't turn down more money to be a third string on a fringe playoff team. Some kind of incentive was offered. He has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony, the guy should be fired if he turned down more money so his client could be a third stringer.

Just wait and see I guess

He APPROACHED US.

Stop talking about a situation you know nothing about for god's sake. Your comments about "incentives" are nothing but conjecture.

Can you provide me with a article or source? Like a legit one.

Without any proof why should I believe that?

[SIC]

Alexander his spot taken from the Bargs signing would be sickening. He could be a bust for all we know but he also looks like a slow learner. He would be the youngest Net since Favors.

Luckily we'll still have the second youngest Net since Favors in Chris McCullough.

If the Nets declare McCullough is out for the season then they can free his roster spot up. Here is what I expect the roster to look like

Lopez - Bargnani - Reed
Thad - T Rob - Alexander
Johnson - Bogs - Karasev
RHJ - Ellington - Markel
Jack - Larkin - Boatright
IR: McCullough

I expect Blake to be dumped. Jefferson and Clark to be waived. Markel is on the bubble in my opinion and might not be here if the Nets can find a PG/SG. Karasev should be that roster bubble guy but his Russian roots makes his roster spot safe.

Man looking at all those players, it is going to be a very interesting Training camp.

Unless BKing has a trade for all the un-guaranteed contracts, there are going to be some tough decisions to be made before the season.

Blake has to be dumped. Clark is gone too.

I see a lot of people are high on Alexander but I dont see why. He is ok. After watching Harrell play yesterday, Alexander is really a project. And is he going to be better than TRob or Reed.

[Trader_Joe]

If the Nets declare McCullough is out for the season then they can free his roster spot up. Here is what I expect the roster to look like

Lopez - Bargnani - Reed
Thad - T Rob - Alexander
Johnson - Bogs - Karasev
RHJ - Ellington - Markel
Jack - Larkin - Boatright
IR: McCullough

I expect Blake to be dumped. Jefferson and Clark to be waived. Markel is on the bubble in my opinion and might not be here if the Nets can find a PG/SG. Karasev should be that roster bubble guy but his Russian roots makes his roster spot safe.

You sure we can do that?
Usually injury exceptions are granted during the season but we have to be down to 15 by then.
I don't know either way.

Personally I don't care if Karasev is gone.

I dont see why we wouldnt. If he is medically declared ineligible for the season I dont see how he will count as one of our roster spots. His salary will count against the cap though and it gives another player a job.

I dont see the Nets not keeping Alexander so if Im wrong Markel will probably not be on the team. People need to realize that Markel and CJ have very low ceilings in the NBA. Markel turns 24 in Jan and CJ will be 25 in December. The Nets arent going to let Karasev(22 in Oct) or Alexander (20 in Nov) go in favor of them.

Karasev costs more than Brown (including a $2.5m TO next year) and has shown less. He's also injury prone and came into last season out of shape.

[Trader_Joe]

Like I said he wouldn't turn down more money to be a third string on a fringe playoff team. Some kind of incentive was offered. He has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony, the guy should be fired if he turned down more money so his client could be a third stringer.

Just wait and see I guess

He APPROACHED US.

Stop talking about a situation you know nothing about for god's sake. Your comments about "incentives" are nothing but conjecture.

Can you provide me with a article or source? Like a legit one.

Without any proof why should I believe that?

http://www.netsdaily.com/2015/7/13/8945687/in-interview-with-italian-newspaper-andrea-bargnani-talked-about

League sources say Bargnani himself approached the Nets "quite unexpectedly" and at the eleventh hour, as one put it.

Doubt this is some made up quip.