2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

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[MrDollarBills]

Miles, if no KCP, isn't bad. If we get KCP then I hope not.

It's better to have KCP play SF, like the 6'5 Courtney Lee and the 6'4 Tony Allen. He should be able to do it.

Lin/DRuss/KCP/RHJ/Moz
DVD/iHead/LVJ/Booker/Allen
Goodwin/SKil/JHar/Acy/JHam

Not bad, and that's 15 guys already? If they really want KCP to start at the 2 and/or better D, we could just switch DRuss and LVJ, there's still enough size in the second unit.

The perimeter rotation would be pretty good. The question marks would be with the bigs, can Moz, RHJ and Book hit threes? Can Moz stay healthy, motivated and PnR effectively? Can Allen contribute? If most of these are positive, this team would be pretty good on both ends and playoffs is doable.

Disagree respectfully....

It's not better to have KCP at 6'5 (in shoes) and have to bang against dudes that are 6'8 and up. LeVert will start at SF.

I'm just being realistic about this.

[ChokeFasncists]

Not really high on KCP. I just think we should be using our cap space as an asset - assuming Porter is matched. I loved Porter's game + fit, not sold on KCP.

The best young player we've acquired in some time was from taking on Mozgov's salary.

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If the TWolves will pony up that OKC 1st that would be great.

Recent dumps have worked out well.
The sixers went from the 5th pick to the 3rd pick because of the swap in that deal and then from 3rd to 1st because of the pick in that dump.
Detroit acquired Morris in a dump; flipped him for Avery Bradley yesterday

Would rather preserve cap space then spend a significant portion on KCP who doesn't move the needle too much; and I don't love the fit - he's never shot above 35% from 3 in a season.

It's lottery protected and the Thunder will be good next season. That's not moving the needle asset wise either, though.


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I'm not saying this example moves the needle. We have $30 million in cap space.. This move only costs $7 million - to acquire a pick in the 20's. If you found 3 other teams that gave you mid 20's pick for $7 million in cap space and you have 4 picks in the mid 20's in the 2018 draft then the needle is moved...

This move is only sacrificing $7 million - the other deals I outlined required teams to absorb much more in salary. We could do this trade and have a little over $20 million left to acquire additional assets in salary dumps.

Definitely would love the pick, since we got no pick next year. One problem arises. If we get KCP, we'd have 15 guys on the roster already.

[Keith Van Horn]

I don't know about Levert starting if Pope is brought in. I can see KCP starting with Lin and DLo. I'm sure Kenny has some interesting defensive schemes that would maximize help against bigger wings.

[kastuul]

I don't know about Levert starting if Pope is brought in. I can see KCP starting with Lin and DLo. I'm sure Kenny has some interesting defensive schemes that would maximize help against bigger wings.

LeVert is a better defender than D-LO last season.
If D-Lo doesn't improve and the Nets is losing, Kenny has to start LeVert over D-LO.

In last SL game, their offense was a mess. They won because they played good D.

[Netaman]

Miles, if no KCP, isn't bad. If we get KCP then I hope not.

It's better to have KCP play SF, like the 6'5 Courtney Lee and the 6'4 Tony Allen. He should be able to do it.

Lin/DRuss/KCP/RHJ/Moz
DVD/iHead/LVJ/Booker/Allen
Goodwin/SKil/JHar/Acy/JHam

Not bad, and that's 15 guys already? If they really want KCP to start at the 2 and/or better D, we could just switch DRuss and LVJ, there's still enough size in the second unit.

The perimeter rotation would be pretty good. The question marks would be with the bigs, can Moz, RHJ and Book hit threes? Can Moz stay healthy, motivated and PnR effectively? Can Allen contribute? If most of these are positive, this team would be pretty good on both ends and playoffs is doable.

Disagree respectfully....

It's not better to have KCP at 6'5 (in shoes) and have to bang against dudes that are 6'8 and up. LeVert will start at SF.

I'm just being realistic about this.

You don't think KCP (205 lbs, 8'4.5 standing reach) can guard SF's but LeVert (203 lbs, 8'5) can? Both guys have longer wingspan than Gordon Hayward. Neither of them are ideal at the 3 but they can get by. And in the more physical matchups they have RHJ.

[ChokeFasncists]

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Good luck. Would love to have him back but seems like we've got too many players if we get KCP. Unless a trade happens, bye.

[ChokeFasncists]

Miles, if no KCP, isn't bad. If we get KCP then I hope not.

It's better to have KCP play SF, like the 6'5 Courtney Lee and the 6'4 Tony Allen. He should be able to do it.

Lin/DRuss/KCP/RHJ/Moz
DVD/iHead/LVJ/Booker/Allen
Goodwin/SKil/JHar/Acy/JHam

Not bad, and that's 15 guys already? If they really want KCP to start at the 2 and/or better D, we could just switch DRuss and LVJ, there's still enough size in the second unit.

The perimeter rotation would be pretty good. The question marks would be with the bigs, can Moz, RHJ and Book hit threes? Can Moz stay healthy, motivated and PnR effectively? Can Allen contribute? If most of these are positive, this team would be pretty good on both ends and playoffs is doable.

Disagree respectfully....

It's not better to have KCP at 6'5 (in shoes) and have to bang against dudes that are 6'8 and up. LeVert will start at SF.

I'm just being realistic about this.

KCP looks like a tough dude, if Lee and TA can, why can't he?

Nothing is set in stone, it's just one option. LVJ is the least experienced of the four starting candidates afterall and he averages the least points. KCP coming off the bench makes some sense as well, but he might have a say as an FA and he's most likely not gonna get the money he wanted.

[Mkdaman1818]

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[ChokeFasncists]

Lin - Russell - KCP gives us 3 guys who can play somewhat interchangeably handling the ball, scoring and defending. The front court is still hurting for someone who can put the ball in the basket, but having LeVert or RHJ start the season as depth off the bench is a good problem.

KCP was pushed into ball handling duties more last year because R Jackson was out ifor about a month at start of season and was never completely right - (Detroits PG options were Ish Smith and Benni Udrih ) and he has some ball handling ability - but the most even his fans say is that he showed flashes of playmaking, he has never been touted for his plsymakingbas for example LeVert has.

KCP is primarily a string defender who shows a lot of energy hustle and quickness. And he is a scorer whose highest percentages come from his pull up jumper, who can create a little for himself and run pnr but who has trouble getting to the rim

Before his shoulder injury in mid-January he was shooting over 40 percent from the three-point lineb but his numbers dipped across the board after that .

"While over the first 39 games he got off to an excellent start and appeared to have taken the jump the Pistons had hoped of him leading up to his big pay day, the second half of the season was disastrous.

Over those first 39 games, KCP was averaging 14.9 points per game and shooting 40.4 percent from three-point range. He injured his shoulder in the first couple minutes of a game against the Golden State Warriors on January 12th, however, missed the next four games and never seemed quite the same after that.

He scored just 12.9 points per game and hit a woeful 29.7 percent from long range for the rest of the season after his return.

Before the injury, the Pistons were -4.3 per 100 possessions when KCP was off the floor and +0.3 when on, but after the injury the numbers flipped drastically. After his return, the Pistons were an impressive +9.9 when he was off, and a staggering -8.6 when KCP was on the floor. To summarize, the Pistons were +4.6 points per 100 better when he was on the floor before his shoulder injury, and after his return they were a barely believable -18.5 points per 100 worse when he played.

In spite of his torrid start to the season, KCP ended up having a worse overall shooting season in 2016-17 than he did in 2015-16, and his defense suffered as well. By the end of the season, his field goal percentage had dropped to 39.9 percent from 2015-16’s 42 percent, and his true shooting was down from 52.1 percent to a mere 51.9 percent. In addition, only Reggie Jackson and Andre Drummond had worse on-court defensive ratings than KCP’s 107.7."

Interesting thing tho, is that he played well for a while after coming back from the injury and then there was a big dropoff.......strange......

[TheBrooklynKidd]

This. I wouldn't be surprised if Lin was traded to a playoff team before the deadline either.

If we get KCP do you guys think we cut Harris even though his contract was guaranteed. Seems like he's the guard with the least upside and does everything worse than KCP.

Ideal Lineup IMO:
Russell/Lin/Dinwiddie
KCP/Whitehead/Goodwin
LeVert/Kilpatrick/ Vet on 1 yr deal (Allen? Miles?)
Rondae/Booker/Nicholson
Allen/Mozgov/Hamilton

There's no way that's the line up Atkinson goes with to start the season, and I'd be shocked if we ended with it either. The upcoming season will be quite similar to last season where we had lots of new faces trying to learn the offense and execute it properly. Given that last season was all about the youth movement and we still saw Kenny starting Randy Foye, I'd be high surprised if Lin and Mozgov are not penciled in as starters in Kenny's mind.

Also I don't see Acy in the depth chart. I'd have him play over Nicholson for sure and at times Hamilton if we're going small ball.

Well he said that the battle for the starting center spot was up in the air and went to whoever earned it and I could see Jarrett Allen proving doubters wrong and making an impact right away.

Also he's not gonna Trade Brook for Russell and give 17+ mill to KCP to have either of them come off the bench.

I also assume Acy gets cut unless we make a trade to open up a roster spot.

[steady]

Bottom line - I am just psyched to see this team play this season. I'd be thrilled if KCP is part of squad. Would be happy with CJ Miles or other options too

Just having JLin , LeVert both healthy and ready to start season -- and DLo! And seeing how hungry they all are and how bonded as a team. Even f they have another dismal season record wise I don't care. It's going to be so much fun to see DLo grow and gain confidence. JLin provide vet leadership. All of them growing and developing . Maybe some crazy passes by DLo - some monster dunks by Jarrett.

[All Nets]

This. I wouldn't be surprised if Lin was traded to a playoff team before the deadline either.

If we get KCP do you guys think we cut Harris even though his contract was guaranteed. Seems like he's the guard with the least upside and does everything worse than KCP.

Ideal Lineup IMO:
Russell/Lin/Dinwiddie
KCP/Whitehead/Goodwin
LeVert/Kilpatrick/ Vet on 1 yr deal (Allen? Miles?)
Rondae/Booker/Nicholson
Allen/Mozgov/Hamilton

There's no way that's the line up Atkinson goes with to start the season, and I'd be shocked if we ended with it either. The upcoming season will be quite similar to last season where we had lots of new faces trying to learn the offense and execute it properly. Given that last season was all about the youth movement and we still saw Kenny starting Randy Foye, I'd be high surprised if Lin and Mozgov are not penciled in as starters in Kenny's mind.

Also I don't see Acy in the depth chart. I'd have him play over Nicholson for sure and at times Hamilton if we're going small ball.

Well he said that the battle for the starting center spot was up in the air and went to whoever earned it and I could see Jarrett Allen proving doubters wrong and making an impact right away.

Also he's not gonna Trade Brook for Russell and give 17+ mill to KCP to have either of them come off the bench.

I also assume Acy gets cut unless we make a trade to open up a roster spot.

I think every Nets fan is hoping for Jarrett Allen to prove people wrong but the average late first rounder turns out more like CMC than LeVert, especially when only looking at the start of this upcoming season.

I thought Acy signed a 2 year deal with the Nets? He's a guaranteed contract, no?

[ChokeFasncists]

I'm a big Lin guy, but talent and skill wise he's not better than Russell. More experienced, more proven defensively, yes he is. But that's about where the buck stops.

Na, how about leadership? Making teammates better? Lin actually shot better from deep, averaged more assists, get to the line more, was more efficient. A high pick doesn't mean much after getting traded. It's what's being traded that's more important. Don't pretend now that Brook was some kinda bonafide super asset. I don't think we need to have a discussion on his trade value. From the Lakers' point of view, dumping Mozgov's contract was the main reason they did this trade so they have a chance at PG, LBJ, RW etc. Marks said he was just being opportunistic with that.

The Nets didn't trade Brook Lopez to have Russell play back up to Jeremy Lin. Russell is a 3rd year player, the training wheels aren't going to be used here. He's going to play and be featured heavily.

Why not? He was on a tanking team and his idol is Manu Ginobili.

One must keep in mind that without the pick, this team is not in a normal tank mode that would start a all young + Moz lineup. Lin is the unquestioned leader of the team on and off the court.

[ChokeFasncists]

Russell has potential but Lin is the best player on this team and he won't come of the bench as long as he is a net.

If he doesn't perform and there's a better player to start over him, they will do that - but he's going to get every chance as the starter first.

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[Netaman]

Russell has potential but Lin is the best player on this team and he won't come of the bench as long as he is a net.

If he doesn't perform and there's a better player to start over him, they will do that - but he's going to get every chance as the starter first.

Ambiguous post!

Linsanity.

[Netaman]

Quick straw poll - what would you rather, KCP@4/80 or trading for Crabbe with Portland's 2018 first?

[Mkdaman1818]

Quick straw poll - what would you rather, KCP@4/80 or trading for Crabbe with Portland's 2018 first?

Crabbe and a 1st, as long as the protections aren't too high (I'm guessing they will be in the lottery next year in the loaded west). We don't have a pick next year.

But realistically, I think we'll be getting kcp.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

There's no way that's the line up Atkinson goes with to start the season, and I'd be shocked if we ended with it either. The upcoming season will be quite similar to last season where we had lots of new faces trying to learn the offense and execute it properly. Given that last season was all about the youth movement and we still saw Kenny starting Randy Foye, I'd be high surprised if Lin and Mozgov are not penciled in as starters in Kenny's mind.

Also I don't see Acy in the depth chart. I'd have him play over Nicholson for sure and at times Hamilton if we're going small ball.

Well he said that the battle for the starting center spot was up in the air and went to whoever earned it and I could see Jarrett Allen proving doubters wrong and making an impact right away.

Also he's not gonna Trade Brook for Russell and give 17+ mill to KCP to have either of them come off the bench.

I also assume Acy gets cut unless we make a trade to open up a roster spot.

I think every Nets fan is hoping for Jarrett Allen to prove people wrong but the average late first rounder turns out more like CMC than LeVert, especially when only looking at the start of this upcoming season.

I thought Acy signed a 2 year deal with the Nets? He's a guaranteed contract, no?

Jarrett Allen isn't your typical late first rounder as he was projected to go in the lottery for the vast majority of the season and even ranked as high as 8th at one point. The only reason he dropped to 22 was because most teams already have their center of the future or are looking for combo/stretch bigs.

And nah Acy can be waived anytime before 7/16

[Netaman]

Quick straw poll - what would you rather, KCP@4/80 or trading for Crabbe with Portland's 2018 first?

Crabbe and a 1st, as long as the protections aren't too high (I'm guessing they will be in the lottery next year in the loaded west). We don't have a pick next year.

But realistically, I think we'll be getting kcp.

I'd be happy with either. It would be great if Portland were desperate enough to take Nicholson off our hands.