Nets at Kings 2/2/2022 @ 10:00 pm EST

[Jay555]

You two sound like Houston fans going after CP. Both need to chill on Harden and D.Will comparison. He just had several 30 point triple doubles when he felt like it. Also look at how he moves, he ain't hurt, not right now.

He's ok other than an injured right hand. He's uninterested and unmotivated that's for sure.

What's your solution? Any thoughts...

No solution unless Kyrie takes the shot or the manade lifts. The Kyrie part time thingy is clearly bothering him.

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[Hello Brooklyn]

We have a chance to win a title with KD back, kyrie and harden.

we have no shot with simmons. doesnt matter how good his D is. playoffs you set one screen, its a switch and simmons is on the corner out of the play. and then you can ignore him on offense to double team. We already lack spacing.

This team is still all-time elite with the big 3, even with current version of harden. you HAVE to give them one more crack at it.

Why do we have no shot with Simmons?

He can do things on offense besides shooting. He needs to play near the rim which he was barely allowed to do because of Embiid.

Put Simmons as a small ball 4 or 5 and he will have a good role offensively.

You have to assume we get Harris back. Then we have KD and Kyrie. There will be enough spacing.

How do you know we are elite with the Big 3? Based on a 2 game sample size? Harden sucks.

I would way rather have a new big 3 with Simmons. It makes way more sense long term too. Simmons is young and can play with KD and Kyrie long term.

Harden is basically done. 1 or 2 more good years left if any.

You keep saying "harden sucks" but this version of harden is better then any point of simmons career.

He is being abused by nash.

our chances are 10 times better this year with harden vs. simmons. it would be billy king level bad to trade harden in season

Not at all lol. Simmons last year is way better than this version of Harden.

Great playmaker, roller to the rim and best defensive player in the league.

Sixers never used him right.

Harden is having his worst year since his rookie year. Hes terrible. Awful defense. Awful decision making. Can't shoot. Can't get to the rim.

Hes just not good.

[Prokorov]

He's ok other than an injured right hand. He's uninterested and unmotivated that's for sure.

What's your solution? Any thoughts...

No solution unless Kyrie takes the shot or the manade lifts. The Kyrie part time thingy is clearly bothering him.

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Has nothing to do with that. dues have been hugging and showing PDAs like a young couple in love.

Kyrie full time isnt the problem, we have lost games with kyrie since he came back. Nash is too incompetent. Lets not forget this team was getting embarassed by g-league teams on the second of a back to back vs. KD/Harden with a big 4th quarter lead. we lost to trash all year even with KD.

Nash is 99.999999% the issue.

[Prokorov]

Why do we have no shot with Simmons?

He can do things on offense besides shooting. He needs to play near the rim which he was barely allowed to do because of Embiid.

Put Simmons as a small ball 4 or 5 and he will have a good role offensively.

You have to assume we get Harris back. Then we have KD and Kyrie. There will be enough spacing.

How do you know we are elite with the Big 3? Based on a 2 game sample size? Harden sucks.

I would way rather have a new big 3 with Simmons. It makes way more sense long term too. Simmons is young and can play with KD and Kyrie long term.

Harden is basically done. 1 or 2 more good years left if any.

You keep saying "harden sucks" but this version of harden is better then any point of simmons career.

He is being abused by nash.

our chances are 10 times better this year with harden vs. simmons. it would be billy king level bad to trade harden in season

Not at all lol. Simmons last year is way better than this version of Harden.

Great playmaker, roller to the rim and best defensive player in the league.

Sixers never used him right.

Harden is having his worst year since his rookie year. Hes terrible. Awful defense. Awful decision making. Can't shoot. Can't get to the rim.

Hes just not good.

No current harden is 2 tiers above what Simmons was last year.

[Jay555]

What's your solution? Any thoughts...

No solution unless Kyrie takes the shot or the manade lifts. The Kyrie part time thingy is clearly bothering him.

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Has nothing to do with that. dues have been hugging and showing PDAs like a young couple in love.

Kyrie full time isnt the problem, we have lost games with kyrie since he came back. Nash is too incompetent. Lets not forget this team was getting embarassed by g-league teams on the second of a back to back vs. KD/Harden with a big 4th quarter lead. we lost to trash all year even with KD.

Nash is 99.999999% the issue.

Could be hinting Nash too.

[LOUiS-D]

Promote JV. We have a goated roster when healthy, but we can't flirt with all this losing and add fuel to the fire of Harden leaving.

[Prokorov]

on second watch, they begged us to blow the doors off them and make it a 20 point lead. up 11 on multiple occasion with the ball. So many awful turnovers and watching wide open threes to have them cut into the lead every time we built it. they played ZERO defense. anytime we move the ball it was a layup or wide open shot.

Harden was WALKING. he was gassed. take him out. no shame in sitting a star if he doesnt have anything to help you on a given night. We were playing well when he sat.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

Everyone gets a pass for overreacting after our 6th straight loss against a lottery team who themselves are coming out of a 7-game skid.

Hopefully the FO or Joe Tsai himself overreacts and heads roll, trades are made, or at least balls are busted to shock this team back to its senses... We've lost our pride and have gotten too comfortable with losing.

KD & Joe (& LMA) returning should help the team's cause, but it could be too-little-too-late when that finally happens. It seems likely that things are gonna get worse before it gets better if the current situation is allowed to play out on its own... Immediate moves seem imperative in order to stop the bleeding and give our post-season aspirations some life.

Adding shooting or 3-&-D is an obvious band-aid, but even in this board there is some debate over where & how this can be obtained & achieved.

A change of HC seems the most impactful move that can be made, but perhaps only with someone whom the Big 3 can respect. Most of us think this team could do with a real system in O-&-D, but the Big 3 are averse to systems that limit their freedom to operate as mavericks...

...Unless said system is designed exactly according to that premise. In which case the erstwhile hated Mike D'Antoni (whom everyone was glad to be rid of last offseason) suddenly becomes a prime candidate. But is a return even possible? Why would he want to take over the mess that he gladly left behind when he can just keep cashing in his checks at NOP as an advisor/consultant?

Aside from the Nets' assistant coaches (who themselves must share some blame for this mess, and who are bound to hear "we don't need a head coach" comments again), are there any viable & immediately available candidates out there who have the gravitas to direct the Big 3?

[Fallout_3]

This is unacceptable. They don't deserve my time. If Harden doesn't want to play here just trade him.

[HardenGoat]

Like I said when Kyrie came back there was an ultimatum regarding his full time status from Harden. He knows we can’t win with a part time star player. You just can’t have chemistry when a star player is not all in. It’s not even the missing games part but the reasoning given that changes the mentality here. Saying you have more important things outside basketball as your reason to not sacrifice during a chip run is a chemistry killer. It means you don’t care one way or another. You can’t even compare this to what Djokovic did. This is a team sport not tennis. A tennis player only affects their own path. Harden was sold on everyone being all in. That’s not what he has seen. Yes he looked gassed but he is also following through with his demands. Same behavior before leaving Houston here.

[Prokorov]

Like I said when Kyrie came back there was an ultimatum regarding his full time status from Harden. He knows we can’t win with a part time star player. You just can’t have chemistry when a star player is not all in. It’s not even the missing games part but the reasoning given that changes the mentality here. Saying you have more important things outside basketball as your reason to not sacrifice during a chip run is a chemistry killer. It means you don’t care one way or another. You can’t even compare this to what Djokovic did. This is a team sport not tennis. A tennis player only affects their own path. Harden was sold on everyone being all in. That’s not what he has seen. Yes he looked gassed but he is also following through with his demands. Same behavior before leaving Houston here.

There wasnt. in fact, Harden was thrilled to have him back part time... and... in fact, petitioned marks and tsai to have him back part time. Harden and Kyrie both are giving eachother PDAs every game like their teenagers in love.

This is nothing like Houston.

Harden is being worn down. he is playing hurt and playing heavy minutes. Nash needs to rest him and sit him when he is so tired and beat up he cant even jog.

Kyrie/Harden both said they are not concerned and still very confident. IF healthy with the big 3 we are still favorites. The big issue i see is you cant play a hurt harden 40 minutes a night.

[Prokorov]

Everyone gets a pass for overreacting after our 6th straight loss against a lottery team who themselves are coming out of a 7-game skid.

Hopefully the FO or Joe Tsai himself overreacts and heads roll, trades are made, or at least balls are busted to shock this team back to its senses... We've lost our pride and have gotten too comfortable with losing.

KD & Joe (& LMA) returning should help the team's cause, but it could be too-little-too-late when that finally happens. It seems likely that things are gonna get worse before it gets better if the current situation is allowed to play out on its own... Immediate moves seem imperative in order to stop the bleeding and give our post-season aspirations some life.

Adding shooting or 3-&-D is an obvious band-aid, but even in this board there is some debate over where & how this can be obtained & achieved.

A change of HC seems the most impactful move that can be made, but perhaps only with someone whom the Big 3 can respect. Most of us think this team could do with a real system in O-&-D, but the Big 3 are averse to systems that limit their freedom to operate as mavericks...

...Unless said system is designed exactly according to that premise. In which case the erstwhile hated Mike D'Antoni (whom everyone was glad to be rid of last offseason) suddenly becomes a prime candidate. But is a return even possible? Why would he want to take over the mess that he gladly left behind when he can just keep cashing in his checks at NOP as an advisor/consultant?

Aside from the Nets' assistant coaches (who themselves must share some blame for this mess, and who are bound to hear "we don't need a head coach" comments again), are there any viable & immediately available candidates out there who have the gravitas to direct the Big 3?

Available names out there include George Karl, Mike Malone, The Van Gundys, Dawn Staley and potentially Becky Hammond although she is now coaching in the WNBA

[Hello Brooklyn]

How exactly is Harden being tired an excuse?

Didn't we just rest him vs the Warriors?

Sorry we expect him to play basketball for us when healthy.

Guy is a bum. Has been trash all year. This guy used to put up 40 a night and drag Houston to wins on his own.

Now he can't even be bother to wince once in 7 games?

Like it has to be a joke. And idiot Kyrie not getting the shot just makes this 100x worse. I actually feel bad for Harden when he has to play without stupid Kyrie.

But at least Kyrie tries hard every night and puts in effort. They are both stupid for different reasons.

[MrDollarBills]

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^THIS is the reality of the situation.

The excuses have run their course. Nash needs to be fired. Irving needs to get vaccinated. Harden needs to decide what he wants to do by the deadline.

[Hello Brooklyn]

No matter what happens a fundamental change needs to happen.

We are not winning the title with the way this team is. Talent can only get you so far.

Last year we had MVP Harden and DAntoni to cover up our flaws.

This year we have bum ass Harden and just Nash.

By the deadline we need to either fire Nash or trade Harden. Ideally both. If neither is done we will not win a title. Guaranteed.

I'm not so much worried about replacing Nash. Ideally we have someone in waiting. Otherwise just go with Vaugn. Anything is better than having this clown run this team.

I would just bring back Dantonio immediately. If not then go with Alvin Gentry, Terry Stots, Steve Clifford. Anyone who knows what the hell they are doing.

[Prokorov]

No matter what happens a fundamental change needs to happen.

We are not winning the title with the way this team is. Talent can only get you so far.

Last year we had MVP Harden and DAntoni to cover up our flaws.

This year we have bum ass Harden and just Nash.

By the deadline we need to either fire Nash or trade Harden. Ideally both. If neither is done we will not win a title. Guaranteed.

I'm not so much worried about replacing Nash. Ideally we have someone in waiting. Otherwise just go with Vaugn. Anything is better than having this clown run this team.

I would just bring back Dantonio immediately. If not then go with Alvin Gentry, Terry Stots, Steve Clifford. Anyone who knows what the hell they are doing.

Firing nash makes the most sense. its the quickest easiest move that has the lowest risk of things getting worse. I woudlnt trade harden. no matter how down on harden you are harden/kyrie/KD is by far our best shot at a title.

Marks also needs to make a move. you cant watch your team bleed out waiting for buyouts.

[Prokorov]

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^THIS is the reality of the situation.

The excuses have run their course. Nash needs to be fired. Irving needs to get vaccinated. Harden needs to decide what he wants to do by the deadline.

No issues with that and while its frustrating its no cause for concern. Nash does need to go but not based on losing 6 in a row, he has been incompetent since day 1.

[CalamityX12]

There should be a Nets fire Steve Nash headliner soon.

Enough is enough.

I haven't watched games lately in a while, so I don't have a dog in the fight for comments or critics etc....

But seems like it's being thrown away. If KD don't play, we can't even look respectable.

Proves the coaching is horrendous.
Proves we have zero identity on offense other than shoot 3s n let Kevin work.
Proves this Irvibg part time ain't worth it.
Proves that the roster is poorly constructed
Proves we aren't winning.

There's no bright light.. we lost to a lotto team on a 7 gm skid lol.

Yet no repercussions

[CalamityX12]

I'm so sick of nash.... his comments were as bad as his coaching:

"You add it all up, it looked like a tired team in the second half, and the game swung completely the other way.”"
Hey moron... if your team is tired, maybe you dont ride an 8 man rotation. Maybe you give Edwards/Bembry more then a combined 25 minutes. Maybe you play Sharpe more then 0 minutes.

You know what you dont do? ride your tired player 38 minutes as he walks up and down the floor.

Nash: "I thought James looked tired." Thought the Nets just didn't make shots and ran out of gas.
He dickwad, if he looked tired, maybe sit him on the bench for someone who ist.

Cally our timeouts. use your bench, use your energy guys. its not that complicated.

For me, goes all the way back to playoffs... why has been insistent with these horrific minutes distribution.. is there anyone telling him that?

And WTF in regards to his "yea Harden looked tired" comment. He looked tired before or after the gm? Make the **** change you sorry excuse of a coach.

Fire him!!!

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm literally at the point where I think we should blame Marks more than Nash.

Its clear Nash had no idea what he was doing the minute he took this job. Was he really supposed to say no to this opportunity?

What on EARTH was Marks thinking when he hired him. He set him up for failure. He set us up for failure.

It was an unforgivable mistake. He could have easily just signed Dantoni or Tye Lue. Two good coaches who knew what they were doing.

Why did you have to go this bizarre route and take a risk with our team?

The sad part is I think his roster construction for the most part has been pretty good. I still like the talent on this team. The coaching has just been beyond the pale.

I feel like this team has a G League level of preparation each game. We don't look like an NBA level organization.