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Re: Well the move to Brooklyn is as good as dead...... 

Post#141 » by Puertorique » Sun May 31, 2009 7:24 am

Preludepunk27 wrote:http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/booker_brooklyn_nets.html

Booker: Sale of Nets is imminent
Friday, May 15, 2009
Last updated: Friday May 15, 2009, 4:19 PM
BY JOHN BRENNAN

Newark Mayor Cory Booker predicts that a sale of the Nets is imminent — but he worries that investors in Kansas City and Seattle may prove fierce competition to his goal of seeing the Nets move to the Prudential Center.

Speaking on Newark radio station WBGO-FM last night, Booker took a call from “Bob,” a former Teaneck resident who inquired about the likelihood of the Nets moving to Brooklyn. The Nets have insisted, in the face of widespread criticism based on the shaky lending environment, that they will break ground on a Brooklyn arena this summer and move into it in the fall of 2011.

Booker — saying he was “going to go way out on a limb here and let you know maybe more than I should” — replied that he is “confident now more than ever that the deal in Brooklyn is just not going anywhere. I think there’s going to be a comeuppance very soon where the team is going to go up for sale. That’s my prediction. I really do believe it.

“I’ve watched the deal very closely. I know people involved in the deal, and it does not look like it’s going anywhere in Brooklyn.”

But in a statement following a favorable legal ruling today, Nets principal owner Bruce Ratner said, “One thing has never changed — our commitment to bringing the Nets to Brooklyn.” Ratner added that he was confident “the project will break ground this year.”

A sale wouldn’t guarantee that the Nets continue to play in the metropolitan area, Booker conceded.

“This is my fear — that there are going to be people competing from Kansas City to Seattle, and Newark is going to have to get in that game. There’s a lot of very good investors who are already stepping up that want to look to purchase the team should it be put up for sale.”

Booker said the arrival of the Nets in Newark would be “a significant game change” in terms of attracting further investment in downtown. He appeared on the call-in show “Newark Today” along with Joseph DiVincenzo, the Essex County executive.

DiVincenzo reiterated his demand that Governor Corzine direct the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority to close the Izod Center.

“There’s no question that Izod should close,” DiVincenzo said, claiming that the Meadowlands arena is a net annual money loser for state taxpayers. Sports authority officials dispute that accounting.

The Nets, who will play the next two seasons at the Izod Center, also have a lease option to remain there for the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons if the Brooklyn project is further delayed. A Nets spokesman did not respond immediately to a request for comment today.

Opponents of the Brooklyn Atlantic Yards project — which includes the Nets’ proposed arena as a cornerstone — suffered a legal setback in the ruling today that Ratner cited. A four-judge Appellate Court panel unanimously denied the opponents’ petition to prevent New York state from using eminent domain if necessary to acquire the remaining land parcels at the 22-acre project site.

The court rejected claims that a seizing of their property would be illegal because the site would not be available for use by all members of the public. The potential profits to be achieved by the developer, Forest City Ratner Cos., the court said, do not override the public benefits of the project that have been touted by state officials.

“The court’s logic is faulty,” said Matthew Brinckerhoff, the plaintiffs’ attorney.

He added that the case would be sent to the state’s highest court, the New York Court of Appeals.

“The private benefit to [developer Bruce] Ratner was never compared with the alleged public benefit, because no one knew or cared to ask Ratner whether he would make billions, tens of billions, or hundreds of billions. There is ample evidence that the public benefits are minor compared to the enormous benefits to Ratner.”

Candace Carpenter, attorney for the Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn activist group, agreed with Booker about the prospects of the Nets moving to that borough.

“Forest City Ratner may claim, like the boy who cried wolf, that they will break ground soon,” Carpenter said. “But they won’t — they are unable to do so.”

E-mail: brennan@northjersey.com


If the Nets move to Seattle they should be called the Super Nets! Acknowledge both the Sonics and the Nets legacy. Me and my friend have talked about it. We rather see the Nets stay in NJ or atleast close to it. If not a move to Seattle and being called the Super Nets would be a great move for both teams and both histories.
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Re: Well the move to Brooklyn is as good as dead...... 

Post#142 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Jun 1, 2009 4:18 pm

^^^ I've talked with my friends about that as well. The worst name they could have would be the Seattle Sonets. They could line the court/arena with all types of poetry and make us look all sissy. It'd be hilariously terrible.

If you check out Netsdaily.com, they have an article that as much as Booker wants the Nets in Newark, the owner of the Devils isn't 100% convinced it would be a good investment. I'll post it later.
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Re: Well the move to Brooklyn is as good as dead...... 

Post#143 » by NetsForce » Fri Jun 5, 2009 12:36 am

An airplane hanger a F'ing airplane hanger? FML. Man I'm pissed.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... lyn_arena/

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Re: Well the move to Brooklyn is as good as dead...... 

Post#144 » by Preludepunk27 » Fri Jun 5, 2009 2:00 am

You see the picture though? I think it looks fine. I honestly would have made the lines more adventurous, but I think it looks fine. I just need to see more pictures from multiple angles to give my full consent.
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Re: Well the move to Brooklyn is as good as dead...... 

Post#145 » by NetsForce » Fri Jun 5, 2009 2:05 am

Preludepunk27 wrote:You see the picture though? I think it looks fine. I honestly would have made the lines more adventurous, but I think it looks fine. I just need to see more pictures from multiple angles to give my full consent.


I guess the picture looks okay, I was really hoping for something revolutionary though :oops:
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Post#146 » by Preludepunk27 » Fri Jun 5, 2009 2:40 am

My design should have been used. ****. I'm like a modern day Frank Lloyd Wright...only not talented.
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Re: Well the move to Brooklyn is as good as dead...... 

Post#147 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jun 9, 2009 12:11 pm

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/06/09/arts/atlantspan.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/06/09/arts/Atlanticeastbig.jpg

Now granted, I actually like both these pictures. But is like one the front and one the back? I don't see the continuity between the two pictures. Still, I actually think this stadium is nice. My only thing is, I would have flattened the top and thrown a **** load of solar panels on the roof. My goal would be to make this stadium the first large scale LEED-certified station in the US. Of course though, that costs money so Ratner would have declined my design lol.
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#148 » by Rich Rane » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:51 pm

Carter trade may indicate Nets for sale...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... ml?eref=T1
Ian Thomsen wrote:Four groups are positioned to invest in the Nets, a highly placed source in the league office confided this week.

Two other league sources told me that minority owner Vincent "Vinny" Viola is moving to buy out majority owner Bruce Ratner and take control of the franchise.

But the senior-level source named Viola, the senior startegic advisor of the New York Mercantile Exchange, as one of four potential suitors, while adding that Ratner may remain involved with the Nets and could even retain majority status. "It's all up to negotiation," said the source, emphasizing that all the interest is based on the promise of the Nets' long-anticipated move from New Jersey to Brooklyn.
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#149 » by NetsForce » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:54 pm

There was that one snippet saying that a condition of any potential sale may be that the Nets are still moving to Brooklyn...
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#150 » by Rich Rane » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:01 pm

Added. It's still more money spending. With us not going there by offseason 2010, I'm indifferent on moving now.
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#151 » by Preludepunk27 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:51 pm

Until we break ground somewhere, I'm holding out judgement for the move now. I'm kind of jaded right now still so I just don't give a crap about the move right now, and I've been a big supporter of Brooklyn.

Note one of the potential buyers is a Brooklyn guy and would keep that move. i think any foreign investor would still support the move as well.

Whatever, I need to start formulating who is a top 5 pick next year and just start focusing on that until something of substance with the move or sale comes to light.
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#152 » by Rich Rane » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:41 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:Whatever, I need to start formulating who is a top 5 pick next year and just start focusing on that until something of substance with the move or sale comes to light.


A lot of the hype is around John Wall and Derrick Favors. Cole Aldrich has been getting some attention along with the thin Ed Davis.
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Post#153 » by Preludepunk27 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:00 pm

Ed Davis isn't worth the hype. Too many UNC fans around the country thinking he's the next Jesus Christ.

Evan Turner is gonna be a stud though. He'll shoot up draft boards by the end of next season.
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Post#154 » by enetric » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:37 pm

I will say it again. Sure...Brooklyn by 2010 was the ideal because it let us dream about Lebron and company.

However, even if that planned date has been destroyed by all the idiots looking to block the move, it doesnt mean that in the long run we arent better off as a franchise in a BIG market than a small one. Brooklyn will still hold vastly more appeal to players and their agents for the future growth of this franchise and our ability to compete with an LA, Boston, Miami, Chicaco, NY, etc.
Sure Newark may be better the swamp...but no freakin' way in the long term its better than Brooklyn for the ability of this franchise to become a BIG MARKET team.

Realize long after 2010 is gone...long after Lebron is retired the idea is to build, breakdown and rebuild again and again a quality competitive team. Being in the best possible location goes a long way towards making that dream a much easier reality.

Hey, its not like I am pitching let move to LA and change the team name to something other than Nets.
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#155 » by Rich Rane » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:53 pm

enetric wrote:I will say it again. Sure...Brooklyn by 2010 was the ideal because it let us dream about Lebron and company.

However, even if that planned date has been destroyed by all the idiots looking to block the move, it doesnt mean that in the long run we arent better off as a franchise in a BIG market than a small one. Brooklyn will still hold vastly more appeal to players and their agents for the future growth of this franchise and our ability to compete with an LA, Boston, Miami, Chicaco, NY, etc.
Sure Newark may be better the swamp...but no freakin' way in the long term its better than Brooklyn for the ability of this franchise to become a BIG MARKET team.

Realize long after 2010 is gone...long after Lebron is retired the idea is to build, breakdown and rebuild again and again a quality competitive team. Being in the best possible location goes a long way towards making that dream a much easier reality.

Hey, its not like I am pitching let move to LA and change the team name to something other than Nets.


I just don't see us as a market being competitive to LA, Boston, Miami, etc., simply because we'll being playing second fiddle to the Knicks (even I know one of these years, they'll be out of that mess they have now). They have the historic building that when not filled with the frustrated Knick fans, is being filled with tourists that go sightseeing in Manhattan. We're also downsizing our project so it's not like tourists would head to Brooklyn for a Nets game either.

Newark's been going through a bit of a renaissance lately. I'm not saying it will be a bigger market for us, but at the very least, our players would be able to play in front of basketball fans that can walk to the stadium for a cheap ticket. Most importantly though, above putting ourselves in a bigger market, it's much easier for me to get to a Net game in Newark than in Brooklyn. :lol:

I'm also...I'll say content with staying at the Swamp until Brooklyn. I said it before, but with Xanadu opening up next year, it gives people something to do before a Nets game. Hell, it gives anyone a reason to visit East Rutherford.
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Re: Ratner May Sell Nets (All Brooklyn Talk Here) 

Post#156 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:00 am

enetric wrote:I will say it again. Sure...Brooklyn by 2010 was the ideal because it let us dream about Lebron and company.

However, even if that planned date has been destroyed by all the idiots looking to block the move, it doesnt mean that in the long run we arent better off as a franchise in a BIG market than a small one. Brooklyn will still hold vastly more appeal to players and their agents for the future growth of this franchise and our ability to compete with an LA, Boston, Miami, Chicaco, NY, etc.
Sure Newark may be better the swamp...but no freakin' way in the long term its better than Brooklyn for the ability of this franchise to become a BIG MARKET team.

Realize long after 2010 is gone...long after Lebron is retired the idea is to build, breakdown and rebuild again and again a quality competitive team. Being in the best possible location goes a long way towards making that dream a much easier reality.

Hey, its not like I am pitching let move to LA and change the team name to something other than Nets.

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Post#157 » by SpeedyG » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:57 am

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Preludepunk27 wrote:Whatever, I need to start formulating who is a top 5 pick next year and just start focusing on that until something of substance with the move or sale comes to light.


A lot of the hype is around John Wall and Derrick Favors. Cole Aldrich has been getting some attention along with the thin Ed Davis.



Not impressed with Wall. Too much flash in his game IMO, and I don't know that he'll break out of it (until he's already on his 2nd contract). He definitely has the potential though.
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Post#158 » by NetsForce » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:48 am

I don't know too much about the PF prospects but I wouldn't mind taking Wall then flipping him for a quality power forward, the Nets will have the cap space to acquire anyone in a trade (well almost anyone!) :-D
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Post#159 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:18 am



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Post#160 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:25 am

Preludepunk27 wrote:Whatever, I need to start formulating who is a top 5 pick next year and just start focusing on that until something of substance with the move or sale comes to light.

I'll hold judgement on the freshmen until I get to see them play extensively. I know little about them except what I read.

You know my 2 favorites in this class as of right now though, Evan Turner and Greg Monroe.
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