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[MrDollarBills]

This is where your logic fails badly because you only see it as black and white which is a shame. Voting for one person does not paint everybody with the same brush. You have the opinion that half of America are racists, that's hogwash.

As I've proven over and over here, I have issues with many topics which has nothing to do with race, but then there are others on here that only touch on race-related issues and are calling out others as racists. Something doesn't smell right.

1) half the country being racist might be a low number, it may be higher then that. America has a horrible track record here

2) if you voted for trump you are either racist, enabling racism, or intentionally ignorant to racism. to me its all the same and inexcuseable

you support trump. you are a racist. fact. period.

Everybody is a racist at some degree.

Please don't project your own feelings onto others. There are millions of people on this planet that don't hate other people because of their skin color or ethnicity.

[13th Man]

1) half the country being racist might be a low number, it may be higher then that. America has a horrible track record here

2) if you voted for trump you are either racist, enabling racism, or intentionally ignorant to racism. to me its all the same and inexcuseable

you support trump. you are a racist. fact. period.

Everybody is a racist at some degree.

Please don't project your own feelings onto others. There are millions of people on this planet that don't hate other people because of their skin color or ethnicity.

You're obviously not one of them.

[MrDollarBills]

The difference is that most of my friends aren't even white. My boss is white and is a racist because he actually makes stereotypical comments on certain nationalities which I've called him out on them before and since then he knows to tread lightly around me.

I suppose you think that all cops are racists as well right? This narrative have been engrained into your minds that all Trump supporters and cops are racists.

All cops are not racist. there are tons who are. the issue isnt racist cops either.... the issue is no reprecautious for racist cops, including killing blacks in cold blood and planting evidence and having it caught on video.

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by their own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

What does the issue of Black crime in America have to do with cops killing black people at a disproportionate rate?

If you're implying that black criminality is the cause of cops killing black people disproportionately, I can assure you that you're heading down a really bad road full of uninformed opinions and outright ignorance.

[13th Man]

All cops are not racist. there are tons who are. the issue isnt racist cops either.... the issue is no reprecautious for racist cops, including killing blacks in cold blood and planting evidence and having it caught on video.

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by thei
r own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

solutions need to start at home?

no, solutions need to start in the whitehouse, in congress, in the supreme court... place like that. Blacks are being convicted or and sentences more harshly then whites at an insanely disproportionate rate.

-Private jails with inmate quotas
-Profiling of blacks
-blacks significantly more likely to be pulled over then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be arrested then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be convicted then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to see jail time on conviction for the same non-violent crime then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be the victems of excessive/deadly force during traffic stops then white peers
-etc,etc,etc

the only part of those things that "starts at home" is parents teaching their kids not be racist.

Blaming society for everything only goes so far. At some point, you have to take responsibility and accountability for your own actions.

[MrDollarBills]

Everybody is a racist at some degree.

Please don't project your own feelings onto others. There are millions of people on this planet that don't hate other people because of their skin color or ethnicity.

You're obviously not one of them.

Again, please stop projecting. There are plenty of receipts in this thread from months ago of you being asked to denounce racism several times and you refused.

Everyone is not racist. Do human beings have biases and prejudices? Of course. But racism is literally hating someone simply for their skin color and or ethnicity. Most sane people don't do that.

[13th Man]

All cops are not racist. there are tons who are. the issue isnt racist cops either.... the issue is no reprecautious for racist cops, including killing blacks in cold blood and planting evidence and having it caught on video.

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by their own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

What does the issue of Black crime in America have to do with cops killing black people at a disproportionate rate?

If you're implying that black criminality is the cause of cops killing black people disproportionately, I can assure you that you're heading down a really bad road full of uninformed opinions and outright ignorance.

Cops kill blacks at a disproportionate rate? Where are the facts? Anyway, I have to do some prep for my class this evening. I teach working professionals to achieve their MBAs, people of all races but I'm the racist. You got me.

[MrDollarBills]

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by thei
r own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

solutions need to start at home?

no, solutions need to start in the whitehouse, in congress, in the supreme court... place like that. Blacks are being convicted or and sentences more harshly then whites at an insanely disproportionate rate.

-Private jails with inmate quotas
-Profiling of blacks
-blacks significantly more likely to be pulled over then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be arrested then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be convicted then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to see jail time on conviction for the same non-violent crime then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be the victems of excessive/deadly force during traffic stops then white peers
-etc,etc,etc

the only part of those things that "starts at home" is parents teaching their kids not be racist.

Blaming society for everything only goes so far. At some point, you have to take responsibility and accountability for your own actions.

So to you, systemic racism and unequal treatment under the law is acceptable, and if black people take more responsibility and accountability for our actions, that will fix the problem.

You are alarmingly ignorant.

[MrDollarBills]

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by their own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

What does the issue of Black crime in America have to do with cops killing black people at a disproportionate rate?

If you're implying that black criminality is the cause of cops killing black people disproportionately, I can assure you that you're heading down a really bad road full of uninformed opinions and outright ignorance.

Cops kill blacks at a disproportionate rate? Where are the facts? Anyway, I have to do some prep for my class this evening. I teach working professionals to achieve their MBAs, people of all races but I'm the racist. You got me.

jesus christ. not only does he duck the question (because he knew what he was trying to imply) but then he drops that gem putting his gross stupidity on full display. that about settles it.

[13th Man]

solutions need to start at home?

no, solutions need to start in the whitehouse, in congress, in the supreme court... place like that. Blacks are being convicted or and sentences more harshly then whites at an insanely disproportionate rate.

-Private jails with inmate quotas
-Profiling of blacks
-blacks significantly more likely to be pulled over then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be arrested then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be convicted then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to see jail time on conviction for the same non-violent crime then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be the victems of excessive/deadly force during traffic stops then white peers
-etc,etc,etc

the only part of those things that "starts at home" is parents teaching their kids not be racist.

Blaming society for everything only goes so far. At some point, you have to take responsibility and accountability for your own actions.

So to you, systemic racism and unequal treatment under the law is acceptable, and if black people take more responsibility and accountability for our actions, that will fix the problem.

You are alarmingly ignorant.

Where did I say that systematic racism is acceptable? I'm saying that it is a shared responsibility to find solutions. It's a highly complex issue and I don't claim to have the answers, otherwise would propose all of the fixes.

[MrDollarBills]

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[13th Man]

What does the issue of Black crime in America have to do with cops killing black people at a disproportionate rate?

If you're implying that black criminality is the cause of cops killing black people disproportionately, I can assure you that you're heading down a really bad road full of uninformed opinions and outright ignorance.

Cops kill blacks at a disproportionate rate? Where are the facts? Anyway, I have to do some prep for my class this evening. I teach working professionals to achieve their MBAs, people of all races but I'm the racist. You got me.

jesus christ. not only does he duck the question (because he knew what he was trying to imply) but then he drops that gem putting his gross stupidity on full display. that about settles it.

Depends on the definition of disproportion. Disproportion to what? Black crime numbers are relevant when you start making comparisons. I'll just drop this here before I go:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015.

2. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks.

3. The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story.

4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers.

5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops.

[Prokorov]

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by thei
r own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

solutions need to start at home?

no, solutions need to start in the whitehouse, in congress, in the supreme court... place like that. Blacks are being convicted or and sentences more harshly then whites at an insanely disproportionate rate.

-Private jails with inmate quotas
-Profiling of blacks
-blacks significantly more likely to be pulled over then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be arrested then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be convicted then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to see jail time on conviction for the same non-violent crime then white peers
-blacks significantly more likely to be the victems of excessive/deadly force during traffic stops then white peers
-etc,etc,etc

the only part of those things that "starts at home" is parents teaching their kids not be racist.

Blaming society for everything only goes so far. At some point, you have to take responsibility and accountability for your own actions.

Is being black an action? if so how do you take responsibility for that? should blacks be shot and killed by cops because their skin color is different?

what does society have to do with blacks being shot and killed during routine traffic stops?

[Prokorov]

I agree that in some or in many cases in the U.S., that law enforcement are corrupt as well. They seem to play by their own sets of rules and protect one another when committing their own crimes and violations. I don't condone that at all and they should be brought to justice for their actions. In Canada, 2 cops were charged with murder last year for less obvious cases where the victim was killed during a standoff.

I don't have the solution to issue of Black crime in America either which looks to be disproportionately high. The epidemic in Chicago is way past the getting out of hand stage. I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around but they should be looking for viable solutions, obviously what Rahm Emanuel has been doing isn't working. Solutions also need to start at home, it's a shame that its gotten to the point where innocent people are killed everyday or in risk of getting shot just by walking in the streets.

What does the issue of Black crime in America have to do with cops killing black people at a disproportionate rate?

If you're implying that black criminality is the cause of cops killing black people disproportionately, I can assure you that you're heading down a really bad road full of uninformed opinions and outright ignorance.

Cops kill blacks at a disproportionate rate? Where are the facts? Anyway, I have to do some prep for my class this evening. I teach working professionals to achieve their MBAs, people of all races but I'm the racist. You got me.

you dont get it. you cant undo racism by "helping a few black students" it doesnt work that way.

as far as facts, Black people are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by cops then white people:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

[Prokorov]

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015.

but there are 5-6 times more whites in this country then blacks.... so white making up less then twice as many of the killings proves blacks are more likely to be killed by cops (according to the data i posted above, 2.5 times more likely).

2. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks.

Again whites + hispanics make up a much larger percentage of the population. Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by cops

3. The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story.

So you are going to choose to ignore your own source telling you unarmed blacks are more liekly to be killed?

4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers.

Additionally white officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks then whites

5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops.

Cops are here to protect us, they shouldnt be killing unarmed citizens.

[MrDollarBills]

First of all, The Daily Wire is not a reputable source.

Also the claim that Black people are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops is utterly false. White males are the leading killers of cops in the United States. Dude just spewed out an outright racist lie like it was nothing.

Again...it's crazy for a Canadian citizen to come onto this forum, regurgitate far right wing talking points and outright racist lies and pretend that he has even 5% of a clue about what goes on here in America.

[shakendfries]

13th is the saltiest cracker on this thread

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[13th Man]

Calling me a cracker is not racist at all. Classy. Weren't you the guy that first accused me of being a racist? I'm not surprised by the hypocrisy. Remember people in glass houses should not be throwing stones.

* Don't worry, this will be the one time that I expose you as a racist, I'm not MDB who will re-hashing words from forum archives any opportunity that arises into eternity.

So a couple of things picked up this evening.

- Trump says that the money to fund his triste came from him and not from the campaign fund. This interview will be aired tomorrow on Fox. So a billionaire businessman paid off a hooker with his own funds, colour me shocked! The Clintons used to scream that someone's personal matters is not an impeachable offense, the hypocrisy by the Democrats. Funny that Lanny Davis who has close ties with the Clintons now represent the snake Michael Cohen. How fitting, the deep state continues. Many are saying that what Trump did was not a crime at all and should not be an impeachable offense. Also, as Trump's attorney, wasn't it Cohen's responsibility is to make sure that matters such as these be handled in a legal way? And what happened to client-attorney privilege? I guess all that goes out the window when your balls get squeezed by a phony and biased probe.

- When Mollie Tibbetts went missing, this story was high profile and aired all over the MSM. Now that it is out that she was murdered by an illegal immigrant, they go slient and barely cover it because it doesn't fit their narrative. Fox News was the only cable outlet to air the arraignment of Mollie Tibbett's murderer in court today.

- Immigration is going to be a huge topic come the midterms. I hope that the Dems continue their initiative to abolish ICE and promote open borders. This could spell disaster for them. By then this bogus Russian Probe should have fizzled out or if it hasn't, the people will realize that Mueller has nothing on Trump regarding collusion. I'm not making any predictions but just saying...

The topics that matter most to Americans are the economy and immigration. Both of these Trump has a strong grasp and stance on. The stuff that the left are attacking him on are total nonsense.

[13th Man]

but there are 5-6 times more whites in this country then blacks.... so white making up less then twice as many of the killings proves blacks are more likely to be killed by cops (according to the data i posted above, 2.5 times more likely).

Then why do blacks account for roughly half of the crime numbers if they only account for 1/5 or 1/6 of whites? Oh yeah, because of systemic racism.

So you are going to choose to ignore your own source telling you unarmed blacks are more liekly to be killed?

There's more to it but I didn't want to quote the entire thing? Also wanted to highlight the main points, not go into the nitty gritty.

Anyway, I don't think you want to dive deeply into statistics when it comes to blacks and crime. I don't even want to go there because I know what would come out from it and the numbers wouldn't be pretty.

[gigantes]

Again...it's crazy for a Canadian citizen to come onto this forum, regurgitate far right wing talking points and outright racist lies and pretend that he has even 5% of a clue about what goes on here in America.

Is it for sure that he's really Canadian? Or simply, an average Canadian?

I mean, based on the average of those I've met, most Canadians are fairly mellow, polite, and most importantly, relatively unassuming about the goings-on in other countries.

Seems like the further you'd get from someone like that, the more you get in to rabid extremist territory, which of course could represent a bunch of people from a bunch of different places. For example, I'm thinking a lot of the super-right Euros are probably looking at America's Trump situation with a good degree of rabid envy. They hardly need to spend much energy trying to understand it all, as it's no doubt easy fuel for their agendas.

Or he could simply be an alt-righter, utterly devoid of morals and principles as I keep observing, masquerading as someone from a different place merely to seem more legit / balanced.

[13th Man]

Don't worry about me, I'm legit. If you knew me in real life you would say that I am the furthest from being a racist. All of my closest friends are multi-cultured. My only white friends are from high school which I've since grown apart from. IRL, I despise criminals of all races, dishonest people and thugs. Not based on race but based on their actions. I've worked for the local Police Department before and am proud to say that I've had a hand in putting criminals from my own race behind bars.

Ftr, my colleagues mostly have TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) as well. From my experience Canadians hate Trump for the most part. I have to listen to their drivel every morning and just laugh it off. Listening to the radio is even worse, full of leftist propaganda and garbage. As I've stated, I don't discuss politics at work because I know that it's a no-win situation, at the very best you'll end up pissing off half of your colleagues. So I let them make a fool of themselves instead. I have a nice internal chuckle every day as I witness the bitterness and hate spewing and frothing out of their mouths. It is pretty funny to witness and a bit sad at the same time to see how easily they've been manipulated by the MSM.