2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

MrDollarBills · Post #1401 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:53 am

Not thrilled to be honest about paying 26 mil a season to a guy who i didn't really see moving the needle in washington during the playoffs, but if for some reason The Wizards aren't insane enough to match, I'll give him a clean slate.

Russell/LeVert/Porter/RHJ/Allen would be the future. if these guys develop that would be a wicked rebuild.

Prokorov · Post #1402 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:54 am

DeRoma wrote:
What's really weird is you want Olynyk a player very similar to a player like Brook Lopez who you hated so much and pushed for a trade for years. Like you say so many contradicting things I don't even know why I should respond.

Olynk is nothing like lopez. he is a solid positional defender who moves well laterally for a 7 footer, defends the pick roll at least at an average level and holds his own switched on smalls. his bbiq is off the charts.

offensively he has excellent court vision.

other then both shooting threes i dont see any similarities

MrDollarBills · Post #1403 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:54 am

Yeah Olynk can ball. Having him in here while Allen learns the rope would be a coup.

DeRoma · Post #1404 » by **DeRoma** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:55 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:What are you talking about? Green has a TS% of 60.1%, RHJ has a TS% of 51.7%. That's a significant difference. Being able to space out the floor at the 4, especially in Kenny's system, is a significant difference. Besides, we don't know RHJ's best position because of his undeveloped skillset on offense. Long-term, he might be a 4, 3 or even a 2, who knows. And I'm not opposed to RHJ being here at all, I think the best fit for him might be as the sixth man who can play minutes at both PF & SF. If RHJ could develop into a decent 3pt shooter, that would be the greatest thing for us. But with his shooting mechanics, it seems unlikely and because of that, his ability to be a full-time starter is questionable. Not to mention, he's undersized with his height and frame for PF.

other then shooting threes, RHJ is better at everything. and being 5 years younger, has plenty of time to try and develop a shot. offensively overall he is better... better getting to the rim, better passer, better in transition.
And you believe RHJ might be worth $20 million on open market, I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not even trying to compare the two, I think they can both coexist effectively in the same team. All of this doesn't matter anyway if Wizards don't match our offer for Otto Porter.

Yeah this is what I was thinking you can even play a small ball with the two IMO.

Prokorov · Post #1405 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:55 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:What are you talking about? Green has a TS% of 60.1%, RHJ has a TS% of 51.7%. That's a significant difference. Being able to space out the floor at the 4, especially in Kenny's system, is a significant difference. Besides, we don't know RHJ's best position because of his undeveloped skillset on offense. Long-term, he might be a 4, 3 or even a 2, who knows. And I'm not opposed to RHJ being here at all, I think the best fit for him might be as the sixth man who can play minutes at both PF & SF. If RHJ could develop into a decent 3pt shooter, that would be the greatest thing for us. But with his shooting mechanics, it seems unlikely and because of that, his ability to be a full-time starter is questionable. Not to mention, he's undersized with his height and frame for PF.

other then shooting threes, RHJ is better at everything. and being 5 years younger, has plenty of time to try and develop a shot. offensively overall he is better... better getting to the rim, better passer, better in transition.
And you believe RHJ might be worth $20 million on open market, I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not even trying to compare the two, I think they can both coexist effectively in the same team. All of this doesn't matter anyway if Wizards don't match our offer for Otto Porter.

i wouldnt think twice letting RHJ go at that price.

Prokorov · Post #1406 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:56 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Not thrilled to be honest about paying 26 mil a season to a guy who i didn't really see moving the needle in washington during the playoffs, but if for some reason The Wizards aren't insane enough to match, I'll give him a clean slate.

Russell/LeVert/Porter/RHJ/Allen would be the future. if these guys develop that would be a wicked rebuild.

this is where im at. i hate the long term ramifications/tough decisions in a couple years when you max a role guy. but if they dont max ill give him the benefit of the doubt for a season and hope he makes a huge leap forward in a bigger role

MrDollarBills · Post #1407 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:57 am

RHJ would have to expand his offensive game and prove that he's a full time starting 4 to even get near that amount.

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MrDollarBills · Post #1409 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:58 am

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Not thrilled to be honest about paying 26 mil a season to a guy who i didn't really see moving the needle in washington during the playoffs, but if for some reason The Wizards aren't insane enough to match, I'll give him a clean slate.

Russell/LeVert/Porter/RHJ/Allen would be the future. if these guys develop that would be a wicked rebuild.

this is where im at. i hate the long term ramifications/tough decisions in a couple years when you max a role guy. but if they dont max ill give him the benefit of the doubt for a season and hope he makes a huge leap forward in a bigger role

We know that he's going to feast in this offense. So that's why I'm not panicking or anything.

I trust Marks and Kenny. If they see something that I don't, I'll defer to their best judgement.

Prokorov · Post #1410 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:58 am

If the wizards dont match.... marks did a great job manufactoring high draft pick prospects without actually having high picks:

Russell via salary dump. former #2 pick
Porter via RFA overpay. former #3 pick
Allen via draft. was lotto talent.
Levert via draft. was lotto talent

DarkXaero · Post #1411 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:58 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Not thrilled to be honest about paying 26 mil a season to a guy who i didn't really see moving the needle in washington during the playoffs, but if for some reason The Wizards aren't insane enough to match, I'll give him a clean slate.

Russell/LeVert/Porter/RHJ/Allen would be the future. if these guys develop that would be a wicked rebuild.

Yea, I'm unsure too. I really like Porter as a role player but the more I've thought about it, the more hesitant I became in regards to us making an offer for him. If Wizards were bluffing about matching max offer, I hope he becomes a stud for us.

Also, at least one positive is that Porter preferred us over the Kings. Culture!

DeRoma · Post #1412 » by **DeRoma** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:59 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah Olynk can ball. Having him in here while Allen learns the rope would be a coup.

I don't really mind him. He is a good temporary fix. He is however just as soft as Brook but Brook is a much superior player.

Prokorov · Post #1413 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:00 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Not thrilled to be honest about paying 26 mil a season to a guy who i didn't really see moving the needle in washington during the playoffs, but if for some reason The Wizards aren't insane enough to match, I'll give him a clean slate.

Russell/LeVert/Porter/RHJ/Allen would be the future. if these guys develop that would be a wicked rebuild.

this is where im at. i hate the long term ramifications/tough decisions in a couple years when you max a role guy. but if they dont max ill give him the benefit of the doubt for a season and hope he makes a huge leap forward in a bigger role

We know that he's going to feast in this offense. So that's why I'm not panicking or anything.

I trust Marks and Kenny. If they see something that I don't, I'll defer to their best judgement.

id be excited to see us switch 2 through 5 with levert/rhj/porter/allen in a year or two

Prokorov · Post #1414 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:01 am

DeRoma wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah Olynk can ball. Having him in here while Allen learns the rope would be a coup.

I don't really mind him. He is a good temporary fix. He is however just as soft as Brook but Brook is a much superior player.

Why do you say he is soft? cause he is white?

he mixes it up a ton. bullies smaller/shorter guys. gets in guys faces. he is even a little dirty.

he isnt charles oakley but he is closer tough then he is soft. and he is a gritty guy

Paradise · Post #1415 » by **Paradise** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:01 am

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Prokorov · Post #1416 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:02 am

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its closer to 31 million (30.8) once they renounce foye.... at least i expect them to renounce foye. been very quiet on that front

DeRoma · Post #1417 » by **DeRoma** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:03 am

Prokorov wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah Olynk can ball. Having him in here while Allen learns the rope would be a coup.

I don't really mind him. He is a good temporary fix. He is however just as soft as Brook but Brook is a much superior player.

Why do you say he is soft? cause he is white?

he mixes it up a ton. bullies smaller/shorter guys. gets in guys faces. he is even a little dirty.

he isnt charles oakley but he is closer tough then he is soft. and he is a gritty guy

no I actually watch Boston games unlike what you claim. You don't even watch the Nets play idk how you can watch Boston. He is soft and a lot less athletic in comparison to Brook Lopez.

Prokorov · Post #1418 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:04 am

im nto too concerned about the waiting period on the RFA offer sheet.

like literally there arent many guys for us to go after and i doubt they are going anywhere with most teams cap spent anyhow

Prokorov · Post #1419 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:06 am

DeRoma wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
DeRoma wrote:I don't really mind him. He is a good temporary fix. He is however just as soft as Brook but Brook is a much superior player.

Why do you say he is soft? cause he is white?

he mixes it up a ton. bullies smaller/shorter guys. gets in guys faces. he is even a little dirty.

he isnt charles oakley but he is closer tough then he is soft. and he is a gritty guy

no I actually watch Boston games unlike what you claim. You don't even watch the Nets play idk how you can watch Boston. He is soft and a lot less athletic in comparison to Brook Lopez.

Lol ok... i dont watch nets games but im posting in the live game threads every night commenting on plays as they happen. i live in boston and watch tons of celtics games as well.

Olynk isnt soft. he is a gritty dude. you wont hear anyone call olynk soft. dirty? yeah you will hear some of that. but not soft. he mixes it up with guys all the time. doesnt back down. bullies small guys.

Ask NyeCevo... he is a boston guy too. he has seen a ton of him.

moonpie · Post #1420 » by **moonpie** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:08 am

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