Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[TheNetsFan]

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[TheNetsFan]

Dinwiddie came off the bench with Russell and LeVert starting so what’s wrong with doing that again? He’s going to easily win Sixth Man of the Year like he wanted in Russell’s all-star year.

Kyrie / Dinwiddie
LeVert
Harris / Prince
KD
Jordan / Allen / Clax

I’m not sure what’s so hard about that rotation to start off with. Let’s not over complicate things and go against continuity too early without seeing if KD is 100% healthy while needing to be load managed, Kyrie needing to be load managed, Nash taking time to get familiar with winning ball games, etc.

Continuity with Vaughn and the roster will be critical to us winning games against anybody. It will make the difference of us being a 50 or 60 win team with a clear path to the Finals.

Agree

Plus there’s so much flexibility in this roster. We can keep team’s guessing by playing different styles throughout the game.

We could play 5 out with KD, Kyrie, Harris, and Prince, spreading the floor for either Dinwiddie or LeVert.

We could play a 3 guard lineup with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all on the court.

We run a motion offense, since so many of our players, can shoot, dribble, pass, and cut.

We could go big, small, fast, skilled. So many options. Is it worth destroying all that for Jrue Holiday or some other $30 million player that locks us in to playing only 1 style?

Depends on the price. For salary matching purpose it's just LeVert and Prince. And for what you project LeVert to do with Irving and KD on the court, Jrue is actually doing it for years. So Jrue is just a more proven version of LeVert while LeVert may have higher ceiling. Flexibility is not an issue with Jrue. I could even argue that Jrue could provide more flexibility due to his defense. He's someone who could guard 3 position and even 4 without embarrassing himself. It could give the team a lot of options in defensive rotation and scheming.

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replace them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Agree

Plus there’s so much flexibility in this roster. We can keep team’s guessing by playing different styles throughout the game.

We could play 5 out with KD, Kyrie, Harris, and Prince, spreading the floor for either Dinwiddie or LeVert.

We could play a 3 guard lineup with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all on the court.

We run a motion offense, since so many of our players, can shoot, dribble, pass, and cut.

We could go big, small, fast, skilled. So many options. Is it worth destroying all that for Jrue Holiday or some other $30 million player that locks us in to playing only 1 style?

Depends on the price. For salary matching purpose it's just LeVert and Prince. And for what you project LeVert to do with Irving and KD on the court, Jrue is actually doing it for years. So Jrue is just a more proven version of LeVert while LeVert may have higher ceiling. Flexibility is not an issue with Jrue. I could even argue that Jrue could provide more flexibility due to his defense. He's someone who could guard 3 position and even 4 without embarrassing himself. It could give the team a lot of options in defensive rotation and scheming.

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replay them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

We would basically be committing ourself to paying a max contract to a 31 year old injury prone PG.

[DarkXaero]

Agree

Plus there’s so much flexibility in this roster. We can keep team’s guessing by playing different styles throughout the game.

We could play 5 out with KD, Kyrie, Harris, and Prince, spreading the floor for either Dinwiddie or LeVert.

We could play a 3 guard lineup with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all on the court.

We run a motion offense, since so many of our players, can shoot, dribble, pass, and cut.

We could go big, small, fast, skilled. So many options. Is it worth destroying all that for Jrue Holiday or some other $30 million player that locks us in to playing only 1 style?

Depends on the price. For salary matching purpose it's just LeVert and Prince. And for what you project LeVert to do with Irving and KD on the court, Jrue is actually doing it for years. So Jrue is just a more proven version of LeVert while LeVert may have higher ceiling. Flexibility is not an issue with Jrue. I could even argue that Jrue could provide more flexibility due to his defense. He's someone who could guard 3 position and even 4 without embarrassing himself. It could give the team a lot of options in defensive rotation and scheming.

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replay them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

[vincecarter4pres]

Let's discuss another set of circumstances, because this other stuff is getting beaten to death and has become stale.

The Nets decide to keep both Caris and Dinwiddie.

It's draft day and they're determined to make a move. Whether it's to move up in the draft, or to acquire an established player, they've said all the spare parts, all the prospects and all the draft picks are on the table, including future ones, with varying degrees of protection on those depending on return, and Allen is available, but only in a deal where it makes immense sense on court AND the value is proper, subjectively and objectively speaking.

The off the table players are:

KD
Kyrie
LeVert
Dinwiddie
DeAndre Jordan


The sort of off the table player is:

Allen


The totally in play assets are:

19th pick
All future picks
Claxton
Rodi
Musa


The salary filler:

Temple
Prince


What do you have?

[vincecarter4pres]

Depends on the price. For salary matching purpose it's just LeVert and Prince. And for what you project LeVert to do with Irving and KD on the court, Jrue is actually doing it for years. So Jrue is just a more proven version of LeVert while LeVert may have higher ceiling. Flexibility is not an issue with Jrue. I could even argue that Jrue could provide more flexibility due to his defense. He's someone who could guard 3 position and even 4 without embarrassing himself. It could give the team a lot of options in defensive rotation and scheming.

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replay them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

This is all pretty standard issue, obvious stuff, but I think people still have PTSD from the Melo/Deron trade talks and the anxiety of the subjugate free agency period.

[DarkXaero]

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replay them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

This is all pretty standard issue, obvious stuff, but I think people still have PTSD from the Melo/Deron trade talks and the anxiety of the subjugate free agency period.

Yeah but Billy King was our GM then, and now its Sean Marks, there's a big difference. I have great trust and faith in Marks, unlike King who I still loathe.

[DarkXaero]

Let's discuss another set of circumstances, because this other stuff is getting beaten to death and has become stale.

The Nets decide to keep both Caris and Dinwiddie.

It's draft day and they're determined to make a move. Whether it's to move up in the draft, or to acquire an established player, they've said all the spare parts, all the prospects and all the draft picks are on the table, including future ones, with varying degrees of protection on those depending on return, and Allen is available, but only in a deal where it makes immense sense on court AND the value is proper, subjectively and objectively speaking.

The off the table players are:

KD
Kyrie
LeVert
Dinwiddie
DeAndre Jordan


The sort of off the table player is:

Allen


The totally in play assets are:

19th pick
All future picks
Claxton
Rodi
Musa


The salary filler:

Temple
Prince


What do you have?

Well if we're keeping both Dinwiddie & Levert, then we aren't acquiring any more guards, we're focusing on acquiring a good 4 option, and a backup C if Allen is dealt. I have to go out now, but I'll be back later with some trade ideas in this scenario. In the meantime, what do you think about the trades I suggested on previous page?

[therealbig3]

It's actually unbelievable what Marks was able to accomplish with our team in just a few seasons. Took us from the absolute worst position a team could be in (really bad with no draft picks) and turned us into a likely contender with two of the biggest stars in the league, with plenty of picks and assets moving forward. Good mix of young talent and veteran depth on the roster as well.

If we do meet expectations and do win 50-60 games next year with a healthy Kyrie and Durant, Marks has to win EOY. Just based on what he started with and what he's led us to.

[TheNetsFan]

Depends on the price. For salary matching purpose it's just LeVert and Prince. And for what you project LeVert to do with Irving and KD on the court, Jrue is actually doing it for years. So Jrue is just a more proven version of LeVert while LeVert may have higher ceiling. Flexibility is not an issue with Jrue. I could even argue that Jrue could provide more flexibility due to his defense. He's someone who could guard 3 position and even 4 without embarrassing himself. It could give the team a lot of options in defensive rotation and scheming.

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replay them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

[MrDollarBills]

You're painting yourself into a bad financial corner in that scenario. You're sending out two cost controlled young players (even if Prince is overpaid), and leaving yourself with two likely very expensive pending FAs (Jrue & Dinwiddie) with absolutely no way to replay them if they leave for more money, years or a starting gig elsewhere. GMs need to maintain some long view, even during a championship window. I know Tsai is more than willing to pay tax, but is he ready to potentially commit $55+mil plus obscene taxes per year to retain Jrue & Dinwiddie? That's not even factoring in resigning Allen.

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

I love Spencer to death, but trading him for what you suggest is the absolute correct move. Spencer is not staying and the Nets aren't going to pay him what he's worth.

The concern I have however, is the durability of Kyrie Irving and Caris LeVert.

[TheNetsFan]

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

I love Spencer to death, but trading him for what you suggest is the absolute correct move. Spencer is not staying and the Nets aren't going to pay him what he's worth.

The concern I have however, is the durability of Kyrie Irving and Caris LeVert.

Their durability is a concern, but we could wind up drafting a PG or signing a ring chasing vet to the tax MLE to be third string if LeVert assumes primary backup PG duty.

[TheNetsFan]

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

I love Spencer to death, but trading him for what you suggest is the absolute correct move. Spencer is not staying and the Nets aren't going to pay him what he's worth.

The concern I have however, is the durability of Kyrie Irving and Caris LeVert.

If Marks did go that route with Dinwiddie, the question is, given the Marks mantra of trading for a player not a pick, who would be the players he'd target? Okongwu, Toppin, Haliburton, Okoro, Williams?

[vincecarter4pres]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

Not interested. Is he really worth the money he's being paid?

Middleton played like top 20-25 player in the reg season this year. He would be an excellent #3.

My issue with Middleton is his shot and ability to score disappears for huge chunks of the playoffs like clockwork.

[vincecarter4pres]

I have a couple trade ideas that I want to share. Not necessarily moves that I fully endorse but I think a direction that can work for us.




Follow up trade:



Rotation:

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Chiozza
White/Tyler Johnson/Temple
KD/Harris/Crawford
Oubre/Kurucs/TLC
DJ/Dedmon/Claxton

+ #10 pick + tax payer MLE still available


I think the most contentious part of the trade is Suns throwing in the #10 pick, but my reasoning is that Levert has higher value than Oubre Jr currently, and Levert has 3 years left on his deal while Oubre Jr is an expiring. If needed, Kurucs and/or the 2nd round pick from Spurs can be throw in as sweetener. It is a really weak draft class, and I think for this draft, teams are more willing than ever to part with lotto picks. Oubre Jr gives us a 6'8" tweener forward option with 3pt shooting, and capable of solid defense (not consistent though).

The Allen for Derrick White trade is more than fair value for Spurs, and if anything, a better deal for Spurs imo, with Allen being 4 years younger, and the same caliber player. Their contract situations are identical too, with White also in his last year of rookie deal. White fits perfectly next to Kyrie as a low usage, efficient 3&D guard. The Hawks trade is a more simple one as I think they get a better/much younger fit in Prince, and Capela should be their starting C anyway (with Collins splitting time at 4 and 5). For us, Dedmon replaces Allen as a backup C here, and could potentially give us a stretch 5 option ("potentially" because he was awful this year). Anyway, just an idea, don't kill me.

I don't hate the on paper value, but I certainly don't love it.

I think you can much more easily and cheaply get Oubre and I like White a lot, but Idk.

I prefer something where we keep Allen, You send out Dinwiddie, Prince, Claxton, the 19 and get back Oubre/Rubio and maybe the 10th. Or maybe forget the 10th, we keep the 19th and throw in the '21 1st, Rodi and multiple 2nd's?

Dedmon looked like a dead man last season as well. Not that you're even sending out a lot of value for him, but he might be completely useless and planted to the bench and you find out the hard way over 30+ games of struggle shop.

[vincecarter4pres]

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

I love Spencer to death, but trading him for what you suggest is the absolute correct move. Spencer is not staying and the Nets aren't going to pay him what he's worth.

The concern I have however, is the durability of Kyrie Irving and Caris LeVert.

I can definitely see that type of move.

I still think something a lot simpler, like Dinwiddie/19 for Rubio/10 makes a lot of sense for both clubs.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Obviously if the Nets make a move for Jrue or any pending FA, it is after Marks is consulting with Tsai, and doing his homework on how far the Nets are willing to go with luxury tax. These aren't really questions for fans to be concerned with, the front office isn't just blindly making moves without long term thinking. If Tsai doesn't care about high luxury tax, why are we getting concerned as fans? The other aspect is that Marks will also do his due diligence and have conversations with player agents (or establish back channel dialogue with players) to gauge their interest in re-signing. So all of this work is done before any trade is made, I don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. If Marks is going ahead and making these trades, its because we have the green light from Tsai, and positive indications from the acquired player's camp.

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

I love Spencer to death, but trading him for what you suggest is the absolute correct move. Spencer is not staying and the Nets aren't going to pay him what he's worth.

The concern I have however, is the durability of Kyrie Irving and Caris LeVert.

I love Spencer and he has repped the Nets proudly for so long. Hes a big reason why Kyrie is here.

But I agree that hes not going to be here after next year. Hes gotta cash out.

If so, I think we take a look at the market and see what makes sense. Aaron Gordon would make a ton of sense. I might do it for Josh Richardson too.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Let's discuss another set of circumstances, because this other stuff is getting beaten to death and has become stale.

The Nets decide to keep both Caris and Dinwiddie.

It's draft day and they're determined to make a move. Whether it's to move up in the draft, or to acquire an established player, they've said all the spare parts, all the prospects and all the draft picks are on the table, including future ones, with varying degrees of protection on those depending on return, and Allen is available, but only in a deal where it makes immense sense on court AND the value is proper, subjectively and objectively speaking.

The off the table players are:

KD
Kyrie
LeVert
Dinwiddie
DeAndre Jordan


The sort of off the table player is:

Allen


The totally in play assets are:

19th pick
All future picks
Claxton
Rodi
Musa


The salary filler:

Temple
Prince


What do you have?

If I'm the Nets I'm trading Allen for the best defensive wing we can get.

If theres a lottery guy in the draft we really like, I might even do it for that.

[Hello Brooklyn]

With the total collapse of Milwaukee and the likely breakup of Toronto are we the clear favorites in the East next year?

I like Jimmy Butler and Tatum, but neither of those guys are in the same class as KD. I think we would beat both of those teams.

[vincecarter4pres]

There's high luxury tax and then there's stupid high luxury tax. Every owner has a limit. Jrue is a great fit, but if trading for him ends up, after 2021 FA, costing us LeVert, Dinwiddie & Allen plus picks, it is a terribly short sighted move. Even costing us 2 of those 3 is iffy.

I think we'll wait to see the Covid fall out, and see if any teams decide to blow things up. We'll be opportunistic. Given the Spurs model Marks grew up in, I don't see us mortgaging the future for one all-in season. The Spurs had Duncan, but they kept developing and grooming high contribution young players.

Hell, they actually went the opposite way, and traded a valuable player for a draft pick while their window was slowly closing. That George Hill for the pick that became Kawhi deal is the exact opposite of the traditional star hunting talk we're engaging in, but it worked beautifully for them.

It's why the idea of moving Dinwiddie, especially if Marks thinks he'll walk, for a cost controlled asset wouldn't surprise me. If Dinwiddie and 19 can get Marks into the top 8 or so pick, and put Marks in position to land an immediate contributor that saves tax, opens a roster spot and is locked into an affordable 4 year deal, he might do it.

I love Spencer to death, but trading him for what you suggest is the absolute correct move. Spencer is not staying and the Nets aren't going to pay him what he's worth.

The concern I have however, is the durability of Kyrie Irving and Caris LeVert.

I love Spencer and he has repped the Nets proudly for so long. Hes a big reason why Kyrie is here.

But I agree that hes not going to be here after next year. Hes gotta cash out.

If so, I think we take a look at the market and see what makes sense. Aaron Gordon would make a ton of sense. I might do it for Josh Richardson too.

Tbh, I just don't see the sense Richardson makes. I don't hate him, but he's not really an upgrade, even in fit.

He has a player option for the 21-22 season as well, and so can and most likely will, just as easily opt out.

And Spencer is the better player, has better size and probably equal athleticism. And much higher BBIQ.

Then add to this the perfect fit Dinwiddie is on the Sixers, so why help them out?

If you're going to deal Spencer, I think it needs to be either part of a bigger deal such as Jrue or Beal, etc., or a clear near-even talent swap on someone locked up longer, or to move up in the draft, or taking a risk on someone whose value is sunk and is in contract year too, like Oladipo.