Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[Paradise]

^I was wondering whether something happened to Dwayne Bacon as well, he was talked about quite a bit on here as a potential pick for us before the whole Diallo fiasco and then all of a sudden, haven't heard his name mentioned since. Now, he's being projected to go to the 2nd round.

Why did he drop? I'm also wondering the same thing for Ojeleye, is it really just because of their age? I mean 21-22 is not that bad is it?

Because the NBA is expanding the farm system. Most teams are looking to bet on the long term upside in freshmen with raw skills because the G-League will be more parent team friendly.

There's a lot of prospects that got swept under the rug but also because it's a deep draft and they are just expected to translate as specialists or role players but there are a lot of options that we haven't really touched on.

Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Juwan Evans, Josh Hart, Kazuma, Monte Morris, Thornwell, PJ Dozier, Mushidi, etc.


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[Prokorov]

These are the guys I have around the tier you guys are gonna pick that also realistically could be there;

Derrick White
PJ Dozier
Sindarius Thornwell
Josh Hart
Justin Jackson
Borisa Simanic
Jeremy Morgan
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Dillon Brooks
Jordan Bell
Cameron Oliver
Kyle Kuzma
Jawun Evans
Devin Robinson
Arnoldas Kulboka
Sterling Brown

this is way off... there will be alot more then that. most of these guys are mid to late second round talent. not all 30 first round prospects can go top 20.

on that list i LOVE devin obinson. i wouldnt even conisder anyone else at 22 or 27. maybe 57

[Prokorov]

^I was wondering whether something happened to Dwayne Bacon as well, he was talked about quite a bit on here as a potential pick for us before the whole Diallo fiasco and then all of a sudden, haven't heard his name mentioned since. Now, he's being projected to go to the 2nd round.

Why did he drop? I'm also wondering the same thing for Ojeleye, is it really just because of their age? I mean 21-22 is not that bad is it?

i think we will be in play for Bacon and Semi. marks is tighted lipped. we heard nothing about levert before the pick last year.

I think semi is a trong possibility. bacon too.

[treiz]

Because the NBA is expanding the farm system. Most teams are looking to bet on the long term upside in freshmen with raw skills because the G-League will be more parent team friendly.

There's a lot of prospects that got swept under the rug but also because it's a deep draft and they are just expected to translate as specialists or role players but there are a lot of options that we haven't really touched on.

Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Juwan Evans, Josh Hart, Kazuma, Monte Morris, Thornwell, PJ Dozier, Mushidi, etc.


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But isn't the farm system already implemented by teams (albeit not as efficient as it will be from next season onwards)? I mean as an example we had CMac going up and down throughout last year and the year before. I just find it bizarre that teams would change it's draft strategy just because now you can protect these players more contractually. I mean even in baseball, college prospects are more touted than their high school counterparts due to the lesser risk with college players.

Fair enough on the second point, guess I'm just getting a bit anxious for this draft to happen already. I just feel like this draft is so deep that after the top 8 anything could happen.

i think we will be in play for Bacon and Semi. marks is tighted lipped. we heard nothing about levert before the pick last year.

I think semi is a trong possibility. bacon too.

True that, maybe my angst for information is a blessing in disguise. In that we actually have a properly functioning front office run by actual professionals.

[jbeachboy]

this draft is so much deeper than mccullough and last year with levert and whitehead.

[shakendfries]

this draft is so much deeper than mccullough and last year with levert and whitehead.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it. The illusion of depth is amplified by fans easily falling in love with highlight footage while turning a blind eye to player limitations. Are we talking about a draft featuring virtually 90% one and done prospects being deep?

[NyCeEvO]

this draft is so much deeper than mccullough and last year with levert and whitehead.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it. The illusion of depth is amplified by fans easily falling in love with highlight footage while turning a blind eye to player limitations. Are we talking about a draft featuring virtually 90% one and done prospects being deep?

Agreed. I've probably looked at more prospects this year than in any year before. If this draft is considered super-deep, a lot of people are going to be surprised when they see about 80-85% of these players become irrelevant by the end of their rookie contract.

If every team could afford to spend time working with every weakness of their draftee's game, then yeah things would be better but they don't.

Despite the hoopla (and even though I want every player to do well), I don't see a big future for Fox or Monk. Tatum could become better but I can easily see him becoming another one of those tweeners that doesn't pan out. Ball has some staying power because of his BBIQ but that doesn't mean that he'll definitely become a star.

This draft is deep in prospects but has no guaranteed stars.

[pickIBL]

Damn, somebody is doing their homework on here. I've seen a few names listed that suggest that.

I've been hyping the sheet out of Eliezer-Vanerot. It's hard to see him not getting drafted. Crazy how Ferguson gets all this love and people completely miss Eliezer-Vanerot who is probably the more exciting prospect.

Kulboka, Kulboka, Kulboka. Late 1st or 2nd round would be great. He will be a high riser in future drafts. This is the time to get him before he develops and it's freakin obvious.

Draft boards might have Kurucs listed in the 1st and Kulboka off their board, but Kulboka is the one you want.

Alpha Kaba. He's not even on draft boards, but this big is long with lots of potential and a developing 3 point shot. DJ Wilson over Kaba.... please.

Jeanne.... what a freak of nature. If he wants to work you gotta draft him. How often do we see something like him? 7'2 PF that moves well with a developing jumper. Quick feet! Obviously a teen who is not yet developed physically.

Deonte Burton was impressive enough at Iowa State that you have to draft him. He's over weight, so his athleticism (which is already surprising) could explode with proper development (and diet?)

De Paula... You gotta work him out and take a look. Lots of tiny little guards wont make it in the NBA. Physically he has the tools... time to leave Brasil.

That leaves us with Okobo. Basically what you have developing is an Edwin Jackson with a little Mike Taylor athleticism. I wouldn't fault anyone for taking him in the 2nd round considering how the NBA is changing and combo guards now fit.

Might not be on the boards.... but the Nets should be all over it. They should probably try to obtain even more picks... even late 1sts and 2nds.

Long shot two way contract idea.... Start with a summer league invite to Gabriel Deck. It's time he left home and swam with the big fish.

[FlipFlopShot]

Just get us a Giannis Antetokounmpo. 6'9" with 7'3" wing and massive hands but average bounce at the time of draft. Can dribble a little. Coast to coast. Attacks the basket. Is that too much to ask?

[No-Man]

I'd be locked in Derrick White if he is there at 22, wouldn't even think twice about that, I truly hope no one else catch up on him and he falls to you guys, he is old so maybe the upside ain't there, but his numbers are only 2nd to Fultz, and they are damn close, defensively and FT% wise they are even better, his #s for a Guard are as flawless as they get, period.

I get not drafting him top10 because he is soon gonna be 23 and has played 1 year of D1 ball, but he is surely a top15 prospect in this class and I'd take him anywhere from 10 to 15 If I were one of those teams and had a spot for a guy like him, Charlotte is the cleanest fit but they will probably be able to pick up somebody from the top10 that slides to them, Detroit def could use him, Denver not really makes sense, Miami could use him too.

I think he is around 10-14 for me in my board.

[Prokorov]

I'd be locked in Derrick White if he is there at 22, wouldn't even think twice about that, I truly hope no one else catch up on him and he falls to you guys, he is old so maybe the upside ain't there, but his numbers are only 2nd to Fultz, and they are damn close, defensively and FT% wise they are even better, his #s for a Guard are as flawless as they get, period.

I get not drafting him top10 because he is soon gonna be 23 and has played 1 year of D1 ball, but he is surely a top15 prospect in this class and I'd take him anywhere from 10 to 15 If I were one of those teams and had a spot for a guy like him, Charlotte is the cleanest fit but they will probably be able to pick up somebody from the top10 that slides to them, Detroit def could use him, Denver not really makes sense, Miami could use him too.

I think he is around 10-14 for me in my board.

i dont think age is a factor for the Nets, and kenny's mantra is "development doesnt need to stop at 25 or 26". i think the nets will have no issue taking White... although i think the nets are going with a big at #22 and maybe again at 27 and if they dont id think its a big wing.

but id be happy with white or juwan evans i just dont think they will go that way

[MrDollarBills]

I always knew that age was overrated when it comes to drafting but it's worse than I thought.

Teams are willing to draft raw 1-and-Done players over more polished juniors and seniors despite the fact that a good number of teams don't utilize their resources to helping these freshmen develop into much better players. I'm shocked at the number of juniors/seniors who are in the 2nd round because they are 21-23, which is "old" for a lot of teams.

No wonder an increasing number of 1st round picks aren't panning out. Guys like Wes Iwandu, Dwayne Bacon, and Jaron Blossomgame could all be serviceable players in the league if they are drafted by a team with a good development team.

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All this says to me is that Marks might hit paydirt again with one of these 1st round picks. The idea that a 21 year old is "old" in basketball years is moronic. Players don't really become settled into who they are until age 26, 27 when they hit their prime basketball years and their game pretty much is what it is. I have no issue with the Nets taking a junior or senior as long as there is room for development/upside.

[NyCeEvO]

I always knew that age was overrated when it comes to drafting but it's worse than I thought.

Teams are willing to draft raw 1-and-Done players over more polished juniors and seniors despite the fact that a good number of teams don't utilize their resources to helping these freshmen develop into much better players. I'm shocked at the number of juniors/seniors who are in the 2nd round because they are 21-23, which is "old" for a lot of teams.

No wonder an increasing number of 1st round picks aren't panning out. Guys like Wes Iwandu, Dwayne Bacon, and Jaron Blossomgame could all be serviceable players in the league if they are drafted by a team with a good development team.

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All this says to me is that Marks might hit paydirt again with one of these 1st round picks. The idea that a 21 year old is "old" in basketball years is moronic. Players don't really become settled into who they are until age 26, 27 when they hit their prime basketball years and their game pretty much is what it is. I have no issue with the Nets taking a junior or senior as long as there is room for development/upside.

Levert will be turning 23 in August. I don't think I've read a single post on here in which someone has talked about his age, especially about him being old. Age is no longer relevant after the draft.

MJ came out after 3 seasons at UNC.
Shaq played 3 seasons at LSU.
Tim Duncan played all 4 years of college basketball.

It wasn't until KG (I know Moses was the first) that people started valuing drafting a super young player out of high school.

I actually support the league's idea of allowing players to come straight from HS if they're deemed to be good enough, but if they decide against going in they'll have to play 2 years of college ball first. It would be better for the league and probably better for the players themselves so they can actually take the time to improve.

1-and-done just creates this weird issue where all of the elite HS players pick a place to live for 6 months and play on national television once or twice a week until they get drafted.

[NyCeEvO]

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According to Jonathan Givony, Diallo got back a lot of negative feedback...so yeah lol.

Also, it looks like there a ton of raw bigs between 11 and 40 so it's really a crapshoot.

As I said earlier, this draft is deep in prospects but no sure fire stars. A lot of people are going to be underwhelmed 4-5 years from now when teams are deciding whether to give extensions to these players.

[Claud]

^I was wondering whether something happened to Dwayne Bacon as well, he was talked about quite a bit on here as a potential pick for us before the whole Diallo fiasco and then all of a sudden, haven't heard his name mentioned since. Now, he's being projected to go to the 2nd round.

Why did he drop? I'm also wondering the same thing for Ojeleye, is it really just because of their age? I mean 21-22 is not that bad is it?

Body fat % at the combine this month plus older prospect.

[NyCeEvO]

^I was wondering whether something happened to Dwayne Bacon as well, he was talked about quite a bit on here as a potential pick for us before the whole Diallo fiasco and then all of a sudden, haven't heard his name mentioned since. Now, he's being projected to go to the 2nd round.

Why did he drop? I'm also wondering the same thing for Ojeleye, is it really just because of their age? I mean 21-22 is not that bad is it?

Body fat % at the combine this month plus older prospect.

I know you're not saying this but give me work ethic, attitude, and base skill set as way more important things than body % and age.

I wholeheartedly agree with Atkinson. Anybody can continue to be developed well into their career.

[shakendfries]

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According to Jonathan Givony, Diallo got back a lot of negative feedback...so yeah lol.

Also, it looks like there a ton of raw bigs between 11 and 40 so it's really a crapshoot.

As I said earlier, this draft is deep in prospects but no sure fire stars. A lot of people are going to be underwhelmed 4-5 years from now when teams are deciding whether to give extensions to these players.

Oh well!

Giovani now has us drafting Isaiah Hartenstein and DJ Wilson, two prospects I definitely wouldn't mind the Nets drafting.


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[treiz]

^I was wondering whether something happened to Dwayne Bacon as well, he was talked about quite a bit on here as a potential pick for us before the whole Diallo fiasco and then all of a sudden, haven't heard his name mentioned since. Now, he's being projected to go to the 2nd round.

Why did he drop? I'm also wondering the same thing for Ojeleye, is it really just because of their age? I mean 21-22 is not that bad is it?

Body fat % at the combine this month plus older prospect.

See this I find bizarre (I know it's not your view but mostly draft sites etc), but body fat % means nothing if you have the work ethic to shed it. Also we're talking about 21-22 year olds, it's not like they're entering the league in their primes physically.

[NyCeEvO]

Anyone have a hunch why people aren't talking about Jayson Tatum? I hear so much more about Fox, Jackson, and even Monk but no one is really touting Tatum.

(And Marks said we need a #3...sigh )

[shakendfries]

Anyone have a hunch why people aren't talking about Jayson Tatum? I hear so much more about Fox, Jackson, and even Monk but no one is really touting Tatum.

(And Marks said we need a #3...sigh )

My guess is that scouts simply aren't convinced Tatum's scoring, which was elite in college, will be elite at the professional level.


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