Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[Netaman]

If you want to judge Mikal by last 4 playoff games and ignore 26 playoff games before that, or regular season where he narrowly lost DPOY, go ahead. I don’t think nba GMs will.. and from T&T forum most posters have Mikal worth Ben Simmons + 2 firsts

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how does the same not go for KD? he played at league MVP level for all but those 4 games vs. boston as a Net. as much as you think of bridge's performance i assume you think even more of booker's, and for 100+ games KD was a level above that.

fans will be split on anything and im someone who actually thinks the phoenix offer is pretty good - i like the picks and i like bridges - but i liked it better with Ayton. so to do a deal now it's got to be bridges, cam, and every pick in the valley, and any argument against that reality is pure homerism.

i think most of the reaction to it towards suns fans is thinking bridges isn't an obvious give for KD or like there's any consideration to not including him. Even in year 3 or 4 KD will still be better than Bridges ever will be. Put him in that exact same role and he would shoot 60% and 45-50% from 3. suns go to instant favorite for as long as cp3 is around with KD (especially now with Ayton also back).

I don’t think Suns fans look at KD and judge him by the Boston series at all. I think fans of teams interested in trading for KD are worried that KD is 34 and has only played 90 games in 3 seasons. As a suns fan, I don’t see us as heavy title favorites because most likely one of CP3/KD will get injured.

I think Bridges is most suns fans favorite player, and we view him as much more then a role player, type of player you never consider trading, except for KD.

the 90 games in 3 years thing is stupid. everyone knew he tore his achilles a few months before he got signed in the finals. year 1 wasn't him being injury prone. he was rehabbing after playing through an injury in GS he probably shouldn't have even though it was for a ring.

it's also pretty insignificant for a team that's already a 60 win team and can afford to rest him as much as you want. he's been healthy and played 40+ mpg in both his brooklyn postseasons. he played 40+ minutes at an mvp level down the stretch to carry the nets into the postseason this past year. he shouldn't have needed to do that and in phoenix he wouldn't.

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KD is an absolute moron

[MrDollarBills]

how does the same not go for KD? he played at league MVP level for all but those 4 games vs. boston as a Net. as much as you think of bridge's performance i assume you think even more of booker's, and for 100+ games KD was a level above that.

fans will be split on anything and im someone who actually thinks the phoenix offer is pretty good - i like the picks and i like bridges - but i liked it better with Ayton. so to do a deal now it's got to be bridges, cam, and every pick in the valley, and any argument against that reality is pure homerism.

i think most of the reaction to it towards suns fans is thinking bridges isn't an obvious give for KD or like there's any consideration to not including him. Even in year 3 or 4 KD will still be better than Bridges ever will be. Put him in that exact same role and he would shoot 60% and 45-50% from 3. suns go to instant favorite for as long as cp3 is around with KD (especially now with Ayton also back).

I don’t think Suns fans look at KD and judge him by the Boston series at all. I think fans of teams interested in trading for KD are worried that KD is 34 and has only played 90 games in 3 seasons. As a suns fan, I don’t see us as heavy title favorites because most likely one of CP3/KD will get injured.

I think Bridges is most suns fans favorite player, and we view him as much more then a role player, type of player you never consider trading, except for KD.

the 90 games in 3 years thing is stupid. everyone knew he tore his achilles a few months before he got signed in the finals. year 1 wasn't him being injury prone. he was rehabbing after playing through an injury in GS he probably shouldn't have even though it was for a ring.

it's also pretty insignificant for a team that's already a 60 win team and can afford to rest him as much as you want. he's been healthy and played 40+ mpg in both his brooklyn postseasons. he played 40+ minutes at an mvp level down the stretch to carry the nets into the postseason this past year. he shouldn't have needed to do that and in phoenix he wouldn't.

Durant missed huge chunks of time in the last two seasons with leg injuries.

[Netaman]

I don’t think Suns fans look at KD and judge him by the Boston series at all. I think fans of teams interested in trading for KD are worried that KD is 34 and has only played 90 games in 3 seasons. As a suns fan, I don’t see us as heavy title favorites because most likely one of CP3/KD will get injured.

I think Bridges is most suns fans favorite player, and we view him as much more then a role player, type of player you never consider trading, except for KD.

the 90 games in 3 years thing is stupid. everyone knew he tore his achilles a few months before he got signed in the finals. year 1 wasn't him being injury prone. he was rehabbing after playing through an injury in GS he probably shouldn't have even though it was for a ring.

it's also pretty insignificant for a team that's already a 60 win team and can afford to rest him as much as you want. he's been healthy and played 40+ mpg in both his brooklyn postseasons. he played 40+ minutes at an mvp level down the stretch to carry the nets into the postseason this past year. he shouldn't have needed to do that and in phoenix he wouldn't.

Durant missed huge chunks of time in the last two seasons with leg injuries.

i know that. bruce brown fell on him. in his first year back they were rightfully cautious with maintenance days. if kyrie and harden didnt implode they would have been able to do that last year too. they should have anyway.

[NetsWorld]

If KD is here by September, which I expect, I don’t see Nash staying; he’s as good as gone. According to Ramona,
Who is credible, the Nets source said the meeting between KD and tsai, “was all part of the process” which means the Nets are most likely going to try and work with KD to make this work. If Nash is fired and KDs agent is hired into a FO role, he won’t get traded but the way he handled this **** was like a spoiled 8 year old. I expect news of Nash being fired in the next month, no way do him and KD work together after all this nonsense. He better deliver a ring next year

You think joe tsai who seems pretty frustrated and intends on taking back control of the organization is going to fire marks and put kleiman (Durant’s right hand man) in the position of power?

Nash isn’t going anywhere before the season starts. Joe tsai publicly put out he stands behind Nash and marks and if fires Nash now he looks 100% soft and completely outclassed as an owner. I agree Nash should probably have been let go already but it’s not happening now with like 6 weeks before training camp.

If the nets don’t find a great package Durant will have to either sit out or deal with all the questions that come his way at camp.

Tsai didn’t “side” with anyone; he just dispelled the notion of him throwing his FO and coaches under the bus. But KD is a bitch for how he handled everything. Shams should have been more careful to word **** to the media.

[MagicBagley18]

If KD is here by September, which I expect, I don’t see Nash staying; he’s as good as gone. According to Ramona,
Who is credible, the Nets source said the meeting between KD and tsai, “was all part of the process” which means the Nets are most likely going to try and work with KD to make this work. If Nash is fired and KDs agent is hired into a FO role, he won’t get traded but the way he handled this **** was like a spoiled 8 year old. I expect news of Nash being fired in the next month, no way do him and KD work together after all this nonsense. He better deliver a ring next year

You think joe tsai who seems pretty frustrated and intends on taking back control of the organization is going to fire marks and put kleiman (Durant’s right hand man) in the position of power?

Nash isn’t going anywhere before the season starts. Joe tsai publicly put out he stands behind Nash and marks and if fires Nash now he looks 100% soft and completely outclassed as an owner. I agree Nash should probably have been let go already but it’s not happening now with like 6 weeks before training camp.

If the nets don’t find a great package Durant will have to either sit out or deal with all the questions that come his way at camp.

Tsai didn’t “side” with anyone; he just dispelled the notion of him throwing his FO and coaches under the bus. But KD is a bitch for how he handled everything. Shams should have been more careful to word **** to the media.

I’m not saying Durant handled it right at all but when one side leaks an ultimatum that includes firing the coach and gm and then the owner within hours says the owner and gm has his full support that’s a clear line in the sand from tsai. He most certainly did side with the coach and management. That’s clear. Sorry it just is. There’s 100% no way in hell he makes rich kleiman the general manager of the nets - he would be the laughing stock of the league if he did that right now after what’s happened.

Nash should have been fired but he’s not getting fired before the season now. I respect your opinion and I won’t derail the thread but Imo you are completely misreading the situation. Tsai 100% backed and supported marks and Nash as a response to KD’s hollow demand.

[NetsWorld]

You think joe tsai who seems pretty frustrated and intends on taking back control of the organization is going to fire marks and put kleiman (Durant’s right hand man) in the position of power?

Nash isn’t going anywhere before the season starts. Joe tsai publicly put out he stands behind Nash and marks and if fires Nash now he looks 100% soft and completely outclassed as an owner. I agree Nash should probably have been let go already but it’s not happening now with like 6 weeks before training camp.

If the nets don’t find a great package Durant will have to either sit out or deal with all the questions that come his way at camp.

Tsai didn’t “side” with anyone; he just dispelled the notion of him throwing his FO and coaches under the bus. But KD is a bitch for how he handled everything. Shams should have been more careful to word **** to the media.

I’m not saying Durant handled it right at all but when one side leaks an ultimatum that includes firing the coach and gm and then the owner within hours says the owner and gm has his full support that’s a clear line in the sand from tsai. He most certainly did side with the coach and management. That’s clear. Sorry it just is. There’s 100% no way in hell he makes rich kleiman the general manager of the nets - he would be the laughing stock of the league if he did that right now after what’s happened.

Nash should have been fired but he’s not getting fired before the season now. I respect your opinion and I won’t derail the thread but Imo you are completely misreading the situation. Tsai 100% backed and supported marks and Nash as a response to KD’s hollow demand.

I don’t mind Jaylen Brown. He has that dog mentality and loves being underestimated; he outperformed Tatum in the finals. Give us Smart and Brown with a couple picks and get this cancer off our team.

[spikeslovechild]

If you want to judge Mikal by last 4 playoff games and ignore 26 playoff games before that, or regular season where he narrowly lost DPOY, go ahead. I don’t think nba GMs will.. and from T&T forum most posters have Mikal worth Ben Simmons + 2 firsts

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I have Ben Simmons value hovering around 0 in trade talks, so sure, Ben Simmons+2 1sts is the correct valuation. It doesnt mean anyone should trade Ben Simmons + 2 1sts for him tho

I don't. Sure his value has taken a massive hit for a plethora of reasons, but you'd probably be hard pressed to find many real life gm's who would add value to a Bridges for Simmons swap on either side of the deal, especially the latter.

Bridges contract though is much better than Simmons. Until Simmons shows he wants to go on the court and play basketball only a fool would trade for him.

It's not like there is some sort of automatic mechanism where if you don't play you don't get paid. The franchise has fine him, deal with the distraction of doing so, and he'll still go to arbitration with some manufactured reason to try and get paid. Who would willingly sign up for that? He's like Royce White with a 180m contract right now. He's untradable.

[NetsWorld]

I have Ben Simmons value hovering around 0 in trade talks, so sure, Ben Simmons+2 1sts is the correct valuation. It doesnt mean anyone should trade Ben Simmons + 2 1sts for him tho

I don't. Sure his value has taken a massive hit for a plethora of reasons, but you'd probably be hard pressed to find many real life gm's who would add value to a Bridges for Simmons swap on either side of the deal, especially the latter.

Bridges contract though is much better than Simmons. Until Simmons shows he wants to go on the court and play basketball only a fool would trade for him.

It's not like there is some sort of automatic mechanism where if you don't play you don't get paid. The franchise has fine him, deal with the distraction of doing so, and he'll still go to arbitration with some manufactured reason to try and get paid. Who would willingly sign up for that? He's like Royce White with a 180m contract right now. He's untradable.

Simmons is not out the woods yet but to see him communicating and appearing at Nets events and NY related stuff is a plus so far and looks more mentally into it than he was last year where he didn’t communicate with Philly AT ALL. Simmons liking that people are doubting him on Twitter because he wants to shut them up is a good sign. Gotta give him a chance before judgment. I support him until he pulls some weird ****

[spikeslovechild]

I don't. Sure his value has taken a massive hit for a plethora of reasons, but you'd probably be hard pressed to find many real life gm's who would add value to a Bridges for Simmons swap on either side of the deal, especially the latter.

Bridges contract though is much better than Simmons. Until Simmons shows he wants to go on the court and play basketball only a fool would trade for him.

It's not like there is some sort of automatic mechanism where if you don't play you don't get paid. The franchise has fine him, deal with the distraction of doing so, and he'll still go to arbitration with some manufactured reason to try and get paid. Who would willingly sign up for that? He's like Royce White with a 180m contract right now. He's untradable.

Simmons is not out the woods yet but to see him communicating and appearing at Nets events and NY related stuff is a plus so far and looks more mentally into it than he was last year where he didn’t communicate with Philly AT ALL. Simmons liking that people are doubting him on Twitter because he wants to shut them up is a good sign. Gotta give him a chance before judgment. I support him until he pulls some weird ****

I mean once he plays for an extended period of time he will quickly regain his value so yes if he can work through his mental issues and get back to the court then he becomes useful and more than worth his deal.

But until that happens it's essentially a blind 180M bet. I don't see any other NBA team taking that bet.

[CobraCommander]

Tsai didn’t “side” with anyone; he just dispelled the notion of him throwing his FO and coaches under the bus. But KD is a bitch for how he handled everything. Shams should have been more careful to word **** to the media.

I’m not saying Durant handled it right at all but when one side leaks an ultimatum that includes firing the coach and gm and then the owner within hours says the owner and gm has his full support that’s a clear line in the sand from tsai. He most certainly did side with the coach and management. That’s clear. Sorry it just is. There’s 100% no way in hell he makes rich kleiman the general manager of the nets - he would be the laughing stock of the league if he did that right now after what’s happened.

Nash should have been fired but he’s not getting fired before the season now. I respect your opinion and I won’t derail the thread but Imo you are completely misreading the situation. Tsai 100% backed and supported marks and Nash as a response to KD’s hollow demand.

I don’t mind Jaylen Brown. He has that dog mentality and loves being underestimated; he outperformed Tatum in the finals. Give us Smart and Brown with a couple picks and get this cancer off our team.

Loving this thread cause y’all both right...

owner sided with management over the employee that said “I don’t want to work here anymore” publicly

then the employee said “I’ll work here if you fire my manager and my managers manager”

The owner who seems to be a reasonable billionaire business guy (if that’s a thing) said...”f you KD....hey Team! leak this to the press cause no way in HELL am I getting swept in first round.......and then the players that got swept, Kyrie and KD, push me around publicly after I gave them the leeway to do it their way for these years. Hell no”

KD and Kyrie over played their hand

RULE 120 clearly states: you can make demands on your way IN...but EFF you on the way OUT....

who doesn’t know this lol


Oh no I bet you would take Brown and smart and picks as a fan. But nets ownership is thinking I can get swept with KD and Kyrie in the first round (true) but KD and Kyrie could also win a ring (maybe)...brown and smart could probably get swept in first round (doubtful) but they won’t be the center piece of a championship ring (highly doubtful)


Plus Boston doesn’t need to trade, the nets in their rear view, bucks stood pat and Philly is a good vs bad harden toss up...they have to like their hand right now in the east

[MrDollarBills]

Apparently the bitch is prepared to hold out.

Call his bluff. Don't waiver. He can either suit up and play ball or he can sit home and waste one of his remaining prime years. He may not care about the money, but time is something that he absolutely cannot get back no matter how wealthy he is

[Paradise]

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[Netaman]

Apparently the bitch is prepared to hold out.

Call his bluff. Don't waiver. He can either suit up and play ball or he can sit home and waste one of his remaining prime years. He may not care about the money, but time is something that he absolutely cannot get back no matter how wealthy he is

agreed - i'm not that worried about him holding out. it keeps him healthy and after the achillies he proved he can come back off a long layoff and be great right away. this is a year we can afford to tank so if the team sucks it sucks but it will facilitate things moving forward (a lotto pick, nash fired, a kyrie deal at the deadline for some more picks, etc). so the nets have no reason to panic, the urgency is on the teams out there who want to win a ring this year and know KD is a king maker to do so.

eventually a GM out there will get aggressive and make a FMV trade just like Morey and Marks did for Harden in each of the last 2 years. Despite him being out of shape, quitting on his prior teams, and not playing like an MVP at all. I posted this on the T&T board and imo it's the enduring truth of the last few months and even more true now with KD appearing ready to force the issue. Early on it made sense for the Nets to hold out for a package beyond the below because there was a chance he'd drop the demand and come back, but with him still forcing the issue i think we are heading towards the Nets accepting a more FMV trade ideally before camp.

the closest things we know to market value are the 2 harden trades - both while he was similarly forcing his way out. Not similarly however, Harden hadn't played like an MVP recently ahead of either one and he had fewer years under contract.

trade #1 returned all the nets picks + jarrett allen (and some decent filler)

trade #2 returned Simmons (at the time thought to be healthy but holding out), 2 FRPs, and Curry/Drummond.

i wouldn't be surprised if whatever deal they takes looks comparable to either of those deals. All Phoenix picks + Bridges + Cam is similar to trade #1 for example. Brown + other pieces + picks is similar to trade #2.

I do think Marks will very much hold the line and not give in on less than either of those deals, because KD is worth more than Harden was in either of those deals (of which he obviously directly participated in).

In the 2nd deal in particular Marks was operating with a lot less leverage than now because Harden had played poorly, quit on his second team, and had an opt out end of the year so there was at least a threat of getting 0.

[Rich Rane]

Apparently the bitch is prepared to hold out.

Either get fair value or let him rot the next 4 years, Tsai. KD can either play or be a bitch and hopefully get fined if he wants to holdout.

[GTR11]

This is great time to evaluate Tsai/Marks as a sport management. Are they liberal, conservative or something else.

KD and Kyrie not giving NBAPA any favors here. This is going to come back and hunt entire league. Don't get surprised when we going to miss out entire season next year. Superstar rule will be enforced and money will be funny.

Tsai is Taiwanese, don't get it twisted people. League will bend backwards to support him and oligarchs will fight for their power back in this CBA.

This is why you go to school instead of just being and staying stupid. Only selfish dumb f**** will do such thing.

[GTR11]

Apparently the bitch is prepared to hold out.

Call his bluff. Don't waiver. He can either suit up and play ball or he can sit home and waste one of his remaining prime years. He may not care about the money, but time is something that he absolutely cannot get back no matter how wealthy he is

Damage control man.

Hopefully players will budge and accept the hit this CBA. It's clear as day money is poison and agenda of a poor kid can go over board. This is sad news and big hit for average folk. Oligarchy took a huge win here that they going to milk for decades.

[sam_I_am]

I think the Nets best move is to start the season with KD/Kyrie and Simmons. If they can convince Durant that they will trade him by deadline if he wants for best deal available it would work out for everybody. Simmons could be moved with value if needed to get a player they covet but can’t get now due to Rose rule. Kyrie will probably restore his value too and could be traded for better than Westbrook. If Nets take Celtics deal - a deal I am against as a Celtic fan - they will be stuck in treadmill purgatory without assets, draft picks or cap space to become a contender again. The Celtics don’t appear inclined to break up their starting 5 beyond Brown in a trade for Durant either. I suspect Durant for Ayton/Bridges/3 picks is what will happen as soon as Ayton can be moved.

[MGrand15]

KD is definitely holding out. I'm sure he hates this narrative that he loves to hoop so much that he wouldn't sit out. Probably makes him feel like the Nets are in control.

And honestly, even if he doesn't hold out, we should tell him to stay home. Imagine this idiot seriously injures himself and we're stuck with nothing til he's healthy.

[GTR11]

KD is definitely holding out. I'm sure he hates this narrative that he loves to hoop so much that he wouldn't sit out. Probably makes him feel like the Nets are in control.

And honestly, even if he doesn't hold out, we should tell him to stay home. Imagine this idiot seriously injures himself and we're stuck with nothing til he's healthy.

This dumb ass playing into Marks/Tsai and owner hand. He can't even imagine what type of impact he does . This is Kyrie written all over it.

Sad way to go.

I agree with you guys. Kylie and KD better kept away from the team. Chemistry will be toxic with them in the locker.