2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Prokorov]

I'm annoyed by this signing.

I don't know why we are wasting our time signing RFA we know will be matched. What's the point?

We are losing out on other Free Agents who we would have the cap space to sign.

Are we just doing this to screw over other teams from competing with us in the future?

to call the wizards bluff id assume.

Who exactly are we losing out on? there isnt much out there on the FA market other then RFAs. you have okynk, mirotic, ilyasova. not much for UFAs. those guys will all be there on the 8th anyhow. teams have used their cap up. those guys will all be waiting on us

[Papi_swav]

yeah i mean he isnt a super strong guy... but what back to the basket bigs in the east are you worried about?

Physicality is big part of the game not just defending back to basket players. It's also defending roll players or penetrators which he can't do. This is what I mean about soft.

agree to disagree. he is solid in the pick and roll. its one of the things i like about him. and he is tough inside. mixes it up all the time.

Yea I really dont get Prok most of the times, he bashes Lopez but wants Olynk so bad. Olynk is not a 2 way player not matter how you try to persuade everybody, he just isn't Prok. He will get exposed here, he had such a great defense backing him up in Foston and he won't have that here. He is not that great in the pick n roll like you claim, he is very slow, not Brook slow but slow enough for offenders to blow by him. I wouldn't be mad signing him, depending how much, but you just have crushes on certain players that I don't get and it's annoying because you think it's facts when it your opinion. I would much rather Green than Olynk 100%, he is a 2 way player.

[CalamityX12]

Eh.... Hooray if we do get him but if reports are true, oh well... we will max out all teams!!! this is Marks grand scheme!

he's more sinister than Varys or Littlefinger

[Prokorov]

Physicality is big part of the game not just defending back to basket players. It's also defending roll players or penetrators which he can't do. This is what I mean about soft.

agree to disagree. he is solid in the pick and roll. its one of the things i like about him. and he is tough inside. mixes it up all the time.

Yea I really dont get Prok most of the times, he bashes Lopez but wants Olynk so bad. Olynk is not a 2 way player not matter how you try to persuade everybody, he just isn't Prok. He will get exposed here, he had such a great defense backing him up in Foston and he won't have that here. He is not that great in the pick n roll like you claim, he is very slow, not Brook slow but slow enough for offenders to blow by him. I wouldn't be mad signing him, depending how much, but you just have crushes on certain players that I don't get and it's annoying because you think it's facts when it your opinion. I would much rather Green than Olynk 100%, he is a 2 way player.

Green is complete trash. a dleague who works hard. you say olynk has good guys backing him up in boston? green plays with a former DPOTY and is surrounded by all-nba type defenders (Conley, Allen, Gasol).

Ulynk isnt as good as lopez but he also is 26 and makes 1/3 to 1/2 what brook does. he is a better rebounder and defender then lopez and stretch the floor as a 5 man just as well.

Olynk is much better then Green. it isnt even debateable.

people are just blinded by their celtics hate

[Netaman]

No-brainer move once they missed out on our unrestricted targets (Reddick especially). As Marks has said countless times he's looking to acquire talent, not just wasted cap space, because they don't have the draft to fall back on. Porter fits in really well with the core and he's just 24. Russell, Porter, Levert, RHJ, and Allen as a core is not nearly a contender but 1 year after not having any core whatsoever it's a lot of steps in the right direction.

And if Washington matches, that's fine too. They basically become a capped out team and we move on down the list to the next target. Someone like Faried could end up being just as big of an impact acquisition at a fraction of the cost.

[Prokorov]

No-brainer move once they missed out on our unrestricted targets (Reddick especially). As Marks has said countless times he's looking to acquire talent, not just wasted cap space, because they don't have the draft to fall back on. Porter fits in really well with the core and he's just 24. Russell, Porter, Levert, RHJ, and Allen as a core is not nearly a contender but 1 year after not having any core whatsoever it's a lot of steps in the right direction.

And if Washington matches, that's fine too. They basically become a capped out team and we move on down the list to the next target. Someone like Faried could end up being just as big of an impact acquisition at a fraction of the cost.

Yea. id argue we are better off longterm without porter on a max deal.

not sure on faried... i mean he is an NJ guy and im a big fan but he is more trevor booker/thad young then he is otto porter.

[Netaman]

Btw, I'd potentially add Faried anyway. If we could find a taker for Hamilton's salary I think we'd be able to fit both under the cap. That team would make the playoffs in the East, no question.

[Papi_swav]

agree to disagree. he is solid in the pick and roll. its one of the things i like about him. and he is tough inside. mixes it up all the time.

Yea I really dont get Prok most of the times, he bashes Lopez but wants Olynk so bad. Olynk is not a 2 way player not matter how you try to persuade everybody, he just isn't Prok. He will get exposed here, he had such a great defense backing him up in Foston and he won't have that here. He is not that great in the pick n roll like you claim, he is very slow, not Brook slow but slow enough for offenders to blow by him. I wouldn't be mad signing him, depending how much, but you just have crushes on certain players that I don't get and it's annoying because you think it's facts when it your opinion. I would much rather Green than Olynk 100%, he is a 2 way player.

Green is complete trash. a dleague who works hard. you say olynk has good guys backing him up in boston? green plays with a former DPOTY and is surrounded by all-nba type defenders (Conley, Allen, Gasol).

Ulynk isnt as good as lopez but he also is 26 and makes 1/3 to 1/2 what brook does. he is a better rebounder and defender then lopez and stretch the floor as a 5 man just as well.

Olynk is much better then Green. it isnt even debateable.

people are just blinded by their celtics hate

No your just blinded by your Celtics love and man crushes. Green is not complete trash, he fits any team that he is on. How do you explain a 60 TS%? is that trash to you? Fizdale even stated that he held him back from taking shots which is your biggest argument, "he didn't take enough shots", he skill set is perfect for us I believe and most teams for that matter. He can guard multiple positions, Olynk can barely hold the 5, unless theres a mismatch, so how is he a 2 way player? Green is much better defending the pick n roll then your boy Olynk. Green is also a better rebounder than him. I'm not the one saying Olynk is trash, I would welcome him on a reasonable deal but you got too much hate in your blood for certain people and it's showing.

[Ror1997]

If we miss out on Porter I say we move on to Crabbe + Faried in dumps.
Crabbe is probably the best 3 point shooter on the market and we shot the 6th most 3's in nba history last year. We need to add shooters. Its simple, but its an easy and logical solution to improving the team.

Would portland trade Vonleh? I think hes a FA next year, Can they afford to keep him anyway? Crabbe + Vonleh for skil + Hamilton?

With Denver, I think Will Barton is in a similar situation. Can denver afford to keep him knowing they'll also have to pay similar money to Murray and Harris, who're both G's and both better than Barton? I think Will Barton is a under the radar salary dump compensation piece. Denver would be smart to use him to move Faried now that they have Millsap

[vincecarter4pres]

Also, at least one positive is that Porter preferred us over the Kings. Culture!

And apparently Utah as well~

Sounded like the threat of a meeting with Utah was only used as leverage to get us to increase our offer. The news of our offer sheet agreement broke like 30 mins after it was said that Porter was on his way to Utah to meet with them

This makes no sense. The offer always had to be max, it's the only way we have even a snowball chance in hell to retain him.

[Vae Victus]

I hope after Porter gets matched we then go after JaMychal Green for a reasonable deal. 3 years 30 mil 3rd team option. He's more of a true 4, who can space and play good D.

While im not a huge fan of Olynk, i wouldnt mind having him on board for the same deal i'd offer Green above. For all the reasons Prok loves him, but im not offering more than that for all the reasons people dislike about him. On a 2+1, he'd be a nice stopgap backup PC/C until a more permanent solution is found.

Personally i pass on KCP cuz im not sold on him at all for big money and that i'd much rather the team keep massive financial flexibility to absorb deals off of desperate teams and to trawl FA for bargain short term deals.

So, like any chance the team can filch Bradley or Crowder from BOS? They had to renounce everyone AND need to trade off some stuff to get the needed cap. Crowder on this squad to provide what Porter gives and be able to man the 3/4 on a very cheap 1 year deal would be very very nice.

[Prokorov]

Yea I really dont get Prok most of the times, he bashes Lopez but wants Olynk so bad. Olynk is not a 2 way player not matter how you try to persuade everybody, he just isn't Prok. He will get exposed here, he had such a great defense backing him up in Foston and he won't have that here. He is not that great in the pick n roll like you claim, he is very slow, not Brook slow but slow enough for offenders to blow by him. I wouldn't be mad signing him, depending how much, but you just have crushes on certain players that I don't get and it's annoying because you think it's facts when it your opinion. I would much rather Green than Olynk 100%, he is a 2 way player.

Green is complete trash. a dleague who works hard. you say olynk has good guys backing him up in boston? green plays with a former DPOTY and is surrounded by all-nba type defenders (Conley, Allen, Gasol).

Ulynk isnt as good as lopez but he also is 26 and makes 1/3 to 1/2 what brook does. he is a better rebounder and defender then lopez and stretch the floor as a 5 man just as well.

Olynk is much better then Green. it isnt even debateable.

people are just blinded by their celtics hate

No your just blinded by your Celtics love and man crushes. Green is not complete trash, he fits any team that he is on. How do you explain a 60 TS%? is that trash to you? Fizdale even stated that he held him back from taking shots which is your biggest argument, "he didn't take enough shots", he skill set is perfect for us I believe and most teams for that matter. He can guard multiple positions, Olynk can barely hold the 5, unless theres a mismatch, so how is he a 2 way player? Green is much better defending the pick n roll then your boy Olynk. Green is also a better rebounder than him. I'm not the one saying Olynk is trash, I would welcome him on a reasonable deal but you got too much hate in your blood for certain people and it's showing.

60 TS% is the product of super low volume and only taking wide open shots or layups. its good dont get me wrong but when you look at his usage and PER you can see why its high. Fizdake holding him back protected his percenages.

Olynk can gaurd multiple spots. 4 and 5. and he is a 2 way player because he is a solid defender at the 5 and good at the 4. Green doesnt defend the pick and roll, he isnt a center and doesnt gaurd them. olynk is solid in that regard.

Olynk does everything better offensively. and more valuable offensively cause he can stretch the floor as a 5. Olynk with starter minutes could explode in kennys system. super skilled offensively, super high bbiq

[Prokorov]

We can all give our preferred plan B if porter is matched but i mean.... its a lock we max KCP if porter is matched

[moonpie]

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[vincecarter4pres]

I'm annoyed by this signing.

I don't know why we are wasting our time signing RFA we know will be matched. What's the point?

We are losing out on other Free Agents who we would have the cap space to sign.

Are we just doing this to screw over other teams from competing with us in the future?

Moves like this make a ton of sense for a plethora of reasons and yes, the most obvious is to clog other teams' caps.

And think about this, a couple years down the road, depending what our cap looks like, our young guys, some of these teams who have decimated their cap til 2022 and beyond and are now falling off, or certified treadmill, this is when they force cheap trades to our team, because we're the young up and coming team, managed correctly, one huge move away from a true contender. This is when you can swoop in and scoop a team's 2nd best player whose still young for peanuts as well, cause they're about to blow it up.

And it sends a message around the league. No matter what one thinks of Otto the player, the premier RFA of this summer chose Brooklyn over other identical sheets. Players take notice of this stuff. It resonates.

It's all strategic.

[Prokorov]

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Yeah there is no way that doesnt happen. Marks has shown that they are willing to spend the max to get one of these 2 way wings.

[MrDollarBills]

I basically said in here the process your FO was going to undertake, it seemed like despite the obvious a lot of people around here still were focused on a fast (short sighted) rebuild that was never gonna happen. I must say I like what your FO is doing and you seem to be in real good hands.

I really haven't seen anyone on here talking about a fast rebuild.

[Prokorov]

I'm annoyed by this signing.

I don't know why we are wasting our time signing RFA we know will be matched. What's the point?

We are losing out on other Free Agents who we would have the cap space to sign.

Are we just doing this to screw over other teams from competing with us in the future?

Moves like this make a ton of sense for a plethora of reasons and yes, the most obvious is to clog other teams' caps.

And think about this, a couple years down the road, depending what our cap looks like, our young guys, some of these teams who have decimated their cap til 2022 and beyond and are now falling off, or certified treadmill, this is when they force cheap trades to our team, because we're the young up and coming team, managed correctly, one huge move away from a true contender. This is when you can swoop in and scoop a team's 2nd best player whose still young for peanuts as well, cause they're about to blow it up.

And it sends a message around the league. No matter what one thinks of Otto the player, the premier RFA of this summer chose Brooklyn over other identical sheets. Players take notice of this stuff. It resonates.

It's all strategic.

i agree with alot of that... but i mean who is going to consider brooklyn because porter chose us over Sacramento. i mean its not like he chose us over some elite team

[pickIBL]

I basically said in here the process your FO was going to undertake, it seemed like despite the obvious a lot of people around here still were focused on a fast (short sighted) rebuild that was never gonna happen. I must say I like what your FO is doing and you seem to be in real good hands.

I really haven't seen anyone on here talking about a fast rebuild.

Go back thru the old threads, plenty of short cut artists. With all this money being thrown around several posters didn't see the value in taking back contracts. Well the money has dried up.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm annoyed by this signing.

I don't know why we are wasting our time signing RFA we know will be matched. What's the point?

We are losing out on other Free Agents who we would have the cap space to sign.

Are we just doing this to screw over other teams from competing with us in the future?

Moves like this make a ton of sense for a plethora of reasons and yes, the most obvious is to clog other teams' caps.

And think about this, a couple years down the road, depending what our cap looks like, our young guys, some of these teams who have decimated their cap til 2022 and beyond and are now falling off, or certified treadmill, this is when they force cheap trades to our team, because we're the young up and coming team, managed correctly, one huge move away from a true contender. This is when you can swoop in and scoop a team's 2nd best player whose still young for peanuts as well, cause they're about to blow it up.

And it sends a message around the league. No matter what one thinks of Otto the player, the premier RFA of this summer chose Brooklyn over other identical sheets. Players take notice of this stuff. It resonates.

It's all strategic.

i agree with alot of that... but i mean who is going to consider brooklyn because porter chose us over Sacramento. i mean its not like he chose us over some elite team

Well there was reportedly a 3rd mystery team and he never even took the meeting with Utah.