Official Caris LeVert Thread

[kamaze]

MDB can I ask you a question? Who do you think is a better point guard LeVert or Dlo?

[MrDollarBills]

MDB can I ask you a question? Who do you think is a better point guard LeVert or Dlo?

I like the way that LeVert runs the offense at PG a lot better due to his ability to penetrate. I think Russell has good passing instincts but he tends to probe and force passes whereas LeVert causes the defense to shift due to his north-south driving ability which opens up opportunities.

Russell is more of an SG to me.

[MGrand15]

I do hope that Caris worked on his cheerleading in between all of that lifting and meditation. His career as a bench player depends on it.

Yeah I agree. capping LeVert's potential right now is seriously jumping the gun. i'm looking forward to seeing what the staff and his teammates are seeing and how it translates into real NBA action.

Also, i would like to point out that while you're throwing shade on Prok for capping LeVert as a career benchie (and I don't agree with him on that, I think he has start level ability)...he isn't the only person on this forum who has pegged LeVert as a 6th man. If you're going dis Prok for calling LeVert a bench player you may want also include the other folks on here who keep saying that they see LeVert as another Ginobili super sub off the bench. What Prok is saying really isn't outrageous (on this forum at least). I don't necessarily agree with any of that.

My position is that Caris is inconsistent but has room to improve, but he has starter upside. i would definitely trade him for Jimmy Butler, and I think any trade discussions for Butler start and end with him since he's the tallest and most skilled guard overall on the team w/ the highest IQ and I think next to Allen, he has the most trade value on the team.

I don't think anyone low on LeVert is implying he's a super sub or a 6th man. Its been that he's a low level roleplayer and a 7th or 8th man who plays awful defense.

I'm fine with all opinions. He hasn't proved he can play well for a full season so everything is speculation. The shade must continue though. If LeVert comes out the gate struggling, I'm sure I'll get it back

[vincecarter4pres]

I have a good feeling he's going to have a mini breakout this year.

[MrDollarBills]

I do hope that Caris worked on his cheerleading in between all of that lifting and meditation. His career as a bench player depends on it.

Yeah I agree. capping LeVert's potential right now is seriously jumping the gun. i'm looking forward to seeing what the staff and his teammates are seeing and how it translates into real NBA action.

Also, i would like to point out that while you're throwing shade on Prok for capping LeVert as a career benchie (and I don't agree with him on that, I think he has start level ability)...he isn't the only person on this forum who has pegged LeVert as a 6th man. If you're going dis Prok for calling LeVert a bench player you may want also include the other folks on here who keep saying that they see LeVert as another Ginobili super sub off the bench. What Prok is saying really isn't outrageous (on this forum at least). I don't necessarily agree with any of that.

My position is that Caris is inconsistent but has room to improve, but he has starter upside. i would definitely trade him for Jimmy Butler, and I think any trade discussions for Butler start and end with him since he's the tallest and most skilled guard overall on the team w/ the highest IQ and I think next to Allen, he has the most trade value on the team.

I don't think anyone low on LeVert is implying he's a super sub or a 6th man. Its been that he's a low level roleplayer and a 7th or 8th man who plays awful defense.

I'm fine with all opinions. He hasn't proved he can play well for a full season so everything is speculation. The shade must continue though. If LeVert comes out the gate struggling, I'm sure I'll get it back

Listen, if LeVert comes out of the gate struggling like he did last year after being called "unguardable" the other day, we are in serious trouble one way or another

I also don't think that LeVert's defense is necessarily bad. He is awful versus the pick and roll (nor is he the only one guilty of that. Russell and Dinwiddie are awful getting over the screen as well). However, I think that he is excellent in the passing lane defensively and I don't think that his one on one defense is even remotely bad.

[kamaze]

Yeah I agree. capping LeVert's potential right now is seriously jumping the gun. i'm looking forward to seeing what the staff and his teammates are seeing and how it translates into real NBA action.

Also, i would like to point out that while you're throwing shade on Prok for capping LeVert as a career benchie (and I don't agree with him on that, I think he has start level ability)...he isn't the only person on this forum who has pegged LeVert as a 6th man. If you're going dis Prok for calling LeVert a bench player you may want also include the other folks on here who keep saying that they see LeVert as another Ginobili super sub off the bench. What Prok is saying really isn't outrageous (on this forum at least). I don't necessarily agree with any of that.

My position is that Caris is inconsistent but has room to improve, but he has starter upside. i would definitely trade him for Jimmy Butler, and I think any trade discussions for Butler start and end with him since he's the tallest and most skilled guard overall on the team w/ the highest IQ and I think next to Allen, he has the most trade value on the team.

I don't think anyone low on LeVert is implying he's a super sub or a 6th man. Its been that he's a low level roleplayer and a 7th or 8th man who plays awful defense.

I'm fine with all opinions. He hasn't proved he can play well for a full season so everything is speculation. The shade must continue though. If LeVert comes out the gate struggling, I'm sure I'll get it back

Listen, if LeVert comes out of the gate struggling like he did last year after being called "unguardable" the other day, we are in serious trouble one way or another

I also don't think that LeVert's defense is necessarily bad. He is awful versus the pick and roll (nor is he the only one guilty of that. Russell and Dinwiddie are awful getting over the screen as well). However, I think that he is excellent in the passing lane defensively and I don't think that his one on one defense is even remotely bad.

Levert had a bad habit of running straight into picks he got injured doing it even don't know if that's his teammates fault for not calling out the pick. Dudley said he can help with the vocal part.

“Everywhere I’ve been, I’ve controlled a lot of defenses, transition defense, putting guys in the right position. I think that’s one thing they lacked when it comes to that defensively with guys being assertive and pointing people in the right direction. I think it’s a great fit for me. I’m looking forward to it.”

[jbeachboy]

is anyone here buying into the hype that levert is getting and that he is much improved? his jumpshot is very inconsistent, especially 3 point shot.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

is anyone here buying into the hype that levert is getting and that he is much improved? his jumpshot is very inconsistent, especially 3 point shot.

I'm absolutely buying it. Yes his 3 point shot was inconsistent, but he improved his shooting since his rookie year and is still a better shooter than DLo... and better at everything else as well. I really hope that Atkinson stops ****ing around and gives LeVert a legitimate chance to win the starting PG spot.

[MrDollarBills]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

[Paradise]

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[shakendfries]

Caris & Dlo can hoop. We need another wing with a bag for beating defenders off the dribble -Cam Reddish might be the piece that turns our core into something with serious potential

[Claud]

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Caris + Russ back-court needs to happen yesterday.

[MGrand15]

is anyone here buying into the hype that levert is getting and that he is much improved? his jumpshot is very inconsistent, especially 3 point shot.

I'll feed more into the hype if he's starting on opening night. No disrespect to Crabbe and Carroll but if LeVert is really that good, he should be able to take one of those spots. Our starting lineup is in need of an extra play maker. Its not like we're some great team that has an awesome starting 5.

After that nasty slump to start the year, his 3pt shot was actually pretty good. And he was a good to really good shooter in college. I expect him to get more consistent in that aspect.

[MrDollarBills]

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If these two make that leap this season and we can grab either Williamson or Reddish in the draft I'm fine with not landing big free agents next summer.

[Prokorov]

I do hope that Caris worked on his cheerleading in between all of that lifting and meditation. His career as a bench player depends on it.

Yeah I agree. capping LeVert's potential right now is seriously jumping the gun. i'm looking forward to seeing what the staff and his teammates are seeing and how it translates into real NBA action.

Also, i would like to point out that while you're throwing shade on Prok for capping LeVert as a career benchie (and I don't agree with him on that, I think he has start level ability)...he isn't the only person on this forum who has pegged LeVert as a 6th man. If you're going dis Prok for calling LeVert a bench player you may want also include the other folks on here who keep saying that they see LeVert as another Ginobili super sub off the bench. What Prok is saying really isn't outrageous (on this forum at least). I don't necessarily agree with any of that.

My position is that Caris is inconsistent but has room to improve, but he has starter upside. i would definitely trade him for Jimmy Butler, and I think any trade discussions for Butler start and end with him since he's the tallest and most skilled guard overall on the team w/ the highest IQ and I think next to Allen, he has the most trade value on the team.

I don't think anyone low on LeVert is implying he's a super sub or a 6th man. Its been that he's a low level roleplayer and a 7th or 8th man who plays awful defense.

I'm fine with all opinions. He hasn't proved he can play well for a full season so everything is speculation. The shade must continue though. If LeVert comes out the gate struggling, I'm sure I'll get it back

we dont know what levert is yet... but its pretty likely that he isnt ever going to be an all-star or a top 2-3 guy on a contending team. Nothign wrong with that, most guys drafted in the 20s are doing well if they stay in a teams rotation/stick longterm in the league making a contribution. so in no ways is levert a bust if he doesnt become some allstar

is a he a 6th man? 7th? low end started? elite glue guy? still room to determine that. I still think his highest ceiling would be as a really big point gaurd. his defensive issue wont matter much and his length may help mask that. becoming a really good 3 point shooter wont be as big a need and at the 33-35% he is at now, that is more then enough at PG. he is already a very good passer and gets out well in transition.

he doesnt have a problem, other then that he isnt realy good at anything. he is solid across the board and while his defense is below average he isnt bogs/lillard levels of bad or anything near that.

[kamaze]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

[kamaze]

Yeah I agree. capping LeVert's potential right now is seriously jumping the gun. i'm looking forward to seeing what the staff and his teammates are seeing and how it translates into real NBA action.

Also, i would like to point out that while you're throwing shade on Prok for capping LeVert as a career benchie (and I don't agree with him on that, I think he has start level ability)...he isn't the only person on this forum who has pegged LeVert as a 6th man. If you're going dis Prok for calling LeVert a bench player you may want also include the other folks on here who keep saying that they see LeVert as another Ginobili super sub off the bench. What Prok is saying really isn't outrageous (on this forum at least). I don't necessarily agree with any of that.

My position is that Caris is inconsistent but has room to improve, but he has starter upside. i would definitely trade him for Jimmy Butler, and I think any trade discussions for Butler start and end with him since he's the tallest and most skilled guard overall on the team w/ the highest IQ and I think next to Allen, he has the most trade value on the team.

I don't think anyone low on LeVert is implying he's a super sub or a 6th man. Its been that he's a low level roleplayer and a 7th or 8th man who plays awful defense.

I'm fine with all opinions. He hasn't proved he can play well for a full season so everything is speculation. The shade must continue though. If LeVert comes out the gate struggling, I'm sure I'll get it back

we dont know what levert is yet... but its pretty likely that he isnt ever going to be an all-star or a top 2-3 guy on a contending team. Nothign wrong with that, most guys drafted in the 20s are doing well if they stay in a teams rotation/stick longterm in the league making a contribution. so in no ways is levert a bust if he doesnt become some allstar

is a he a 6th man? 7th? low end started? elite glue guy? still room to determine that. I still think his highest ceiling would be as a really big point gaurd. his defensive issue wont matter much and his length may help mask that. becoming a really good 3 point shooter wont be as big a need and at the 33-35% he is at now, that is more then enough at PG. he is already a very good passer and gets out well in transition.

he doesnt have a problem, other then that he isnt realy good at anything. he is solid across the board and while his defense is below average he isnt bogs/lillard levels of bad or anything near that.

I see LeVert as a good sub you can still be a good player coming off the bench.

[Prokorov]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

He also doesnt have the playmaking ability Dlo does... or the usage rate

[MrDollarBills]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

Take a look at LeVert's numbers as a starter. They are absolutely dreadful. There's a reason why he comes off of the bench.

I hope that changes this season, but I'm not going to sit here, criticize Russell for his shortcomings while putting on blinders about Caris LeVert. He has to clean his game up as well, he is not above reproach.

Also, the date of that article is February 12th. D'Angelo Russell was coming off of the bench when Kenny said that. come on now.

How about we root equally for all of these guys to succeed? this agenda against Russell is beyond ridiculous. We need Russell to succeed just as much as LeVert.

[Prokorov]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

Take a look at LeVert's numbers as a starter. They are absolutely dreadful. There's a reason why he comes off of the bench.

I hope that changes this season, but I'm not going to sit here, criticize Russell for his shortcomings while putting on blinders about Caris LeVert. He has to clean his game up as well, he is not above reproach.

Also, the date of that article is February 12th. D'Angelo Russell was coming off of the bench when Kenny said that. come on now.

How about we root equally for all of these guys to succeed? this agenda against Russell is beyond ridiculous. We need Russell to succeed just as much as LeVert.

Levert as a starter:

10 points per game
4 rebounds per game
3 assists per game

42.1% FG
28.4% 3PT
51.3 TS%
0.98 PPP
1.11 PPP Allowed

not very good.