Official Caris LeVert Thread

[MGrand15]

LeVert started 26 games as a rookie coming off rehab + no training camp. Then 10 last season when he happened to hit a nasty slump where he couldn't make anything. Those 10 last season were bad enough to drag the efficiency stats wayyy down.

Don't think that sample size is enough to prove anything. Its not like his time off the bench was just beating up on subs.

[kamaze]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

He also doesnt have the playmaking ability Dlo does... or the usage rate

Stay focused one player has turnover problems, horrible defense and a reputation for not listening to coaches that's what needs to improved.

Turnovers have been a big focus for Russell heading into this seemingly make-or-break season. He averaged 20.9 points and 5.7 assists in 12 starts before injury last November, but with 4.0 turnovers per game as well.

The Lakers privately criticized D’Angelo Russell for his inability to take coaching. It augurs well for the Nets if he’s not only accepting coaching but seeking it out.

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[kamaze]

I hope he does well but I don't expect him to. Pretty much he is what he is of course he can improve but that's up to him to show it during the season.

[Prokorov]

Stay focused one player has turnover problems, horrible defense and a reputation for not listening to coaches that's what needs to improved.

Levert was a worse defender then Dlo. at a more important defensive position. Dlo has done nothing but listen to the coaches

Russell is a better player with a higher ceiling. there is no debate here. Levert also has been awful as a starter

[Prokorov]

LeVert started 26 games as a rookie coming off rehab + no training camp. Then 10 last season when he happened to hit a nasty slump where he couldn't make anything. Those 10 last season were bad enough to drag the efficiency stats wayyy down.

Don't think that sample size is enough to prove anything. Its not like his time off the bench was just beating up on subs.

it is a small sample. the point isnt that it proves he is bad.... the point is the evidence to prove he was better as a starter then Russell doesnt exsist.

[Prokorov]

I hope he does well but I don't expect him to. Pretty much he is what he is of course he can improve but that's up to him to show it during the season.

we all want and expect levert to improve. we are nets fans, who wouldnt want that?

[kamaze]

Is LeVert really that much better? Both of them need to prove that they can be consistent players and better defenders, I don't understand how one guy gets all the crap while the other gets a pass for the same thing: inconsistency on both ends of the floor.

I can pull up multiple games from last season where LeVert was a complete non factor or even flat out terrible. Multiple. And he gets a complete pass while Russell doesn't. This is not a pissing contest. I want both LeVert and Russell to make a leap this season because thats going to be the best thing for this team moving forward.

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

Take a look at LeVert's numbers as a starter. They are absolutely dreadful. There's a reason why he comes off of the bench.

I hope that changes this season, but I'm not going to sit here, criticize Russell for his shortcomings while putting on blinders about Caris LeVert. He has to clean his game up as well, he is not above reproach.

Also, the date of that article is February 12th. D'Angelo Russell was coming off of the bench when Kenny said that. come on now.

How about we root equally for all of these guys to succeed? this agenda against Russell is beyond ridiculous. We need Russell to succeed just as much as LeVert.

Good thing LeVert comes off the bench then.
If he was the starter or thought he was a star he'd get more criticism but he's a humble hard working player. It's harder to criticize him.

[kamaze]

I hope he does well but I don't expect him to. Pretty much he is what he is of course he can improve but that's up to him to show it during the season.

we all want and expect levert to improve. we are nets fans, who wouldnt want that?

I was talking about D'Angelo...

[MGrand15]

This LeVert being a bad defender thing is just nonsense. The coaching staff considers him a better defender than Russell. Even Russell himself thinks hes worse than LeVert on defense. One guy gets hidden on defense, the other takes on the best perimeter player.

Advanced defensive stats for perimeter guys are messy. But there's no chance in hell that Russell is better on defense than LeVert.

FWIW, I think putting them against each other is dumb. They can play together. And they complement each other well.

[MrDollarBills]

LeVert started 26 games as a rookie coming off rehab + no training camp. Then 10 last season when he happened to hit a nasty slump where he couldn't make anything. Those 10 last season were bad enough to drag the efficiency stats wayyy down.

Don't think that sample size is enough to prove anything. Its not like his time off the bench was just beating up on subs.

It's not a large sample size, true. But it's all we have to go by and thus far in every game he has had a chance to start Caris has not been good. That will change though I believe.

[MrDollarBills]

This LeVert being a bad defender thing is just nonsense. The coaching staff considers him a better defender than Russell. Even Russell himself thinks hes worse than LeVert on defense. One guy gets hidden on defense, the other takes on the best perimeter player.

Advanced defensive stats for perimeter guys are messy. But there's no chance in hell that Russell is better on defense than LeVert.

FWIW, I think putting them against each other is dumb. They can play together. And they complement each other well.

Russell is not a better defender at all than LeVert. If you're of the notion that PG defense is irrelevant, it doesn't really matter tbh.

I don't think LeVert's individual defense is bad at all and he's excellent in the passing lanes thanks to his length and active hands. He, just like Russell and Dinwiddie, can't get through the screens when it comes to the PnR. It is what it is, both of them got stronger in the off season so it should help.

And I agree, this pissing contest is silly. Both of them are willing passers and do things that the other can't. We need both of them to show improvement and take control of that backcourt.

[MrDollarBills]

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

Take a look at LeVert's numbers as a starter. They are absolutely dreadful. There's a reason why he comes off of the bench.

I hope that changes this season, but I'm not going to sit here, criticize Russell for his shortcomings while putting on blinders about Caris LeVert. He has to clean his game up as well, he is not above reproach.

Also, the date of that article is February 12th. D'Angelo Russell was coming off of the bench when Kenny said that. come on now.

How about we root equally for all of these guys to succeed? this agenda against Russell is beyond ridiculous. We need Russell to succeed just as much as LeVert.

Good thing LeVert comes off the bench then.
If he was the starter or thought he was a star he'd get more criticism but he's a humble hard working player. It's harder to criticize him.

It's harder to criticize him if you have an agenda. If you're an objective observer of the team, it's not hard at all to point out his flaws and what he needs to improve.

[MrDollarBills]

Come on MDB LeVert doesn't have the turnover problem Dlo has, he's also not part of the starting lineup where Kenny says the team has to get off to better starts.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/kenny-atkinsons-plea-for-better-start-fails-to-get-through-to-nets/

He also doesnt have the playmaking ability Dlo does... or the usage rate

Stay focused one player has turnover problems, horrible defense and a reputation for not listening to coaches that's what needs to improved.

Turnovers have been a big focus for Russell heading into this seemingly make-or-break season. He averaged 20.9 points and 5.7 assists in 12 starts before injury last November, but with 4.0 turnovers per game as well.

The Lakers privately criticized D’Angelo Russell for his inability to take coaching. It augurs well for the Nets if he’s not only accepting coaching but seeking it out.

Watch on YouTube

Oh my **** ing god dude.

Literally last week in training camp:

https://www.netsdaily.com/2018/9/27/17911876/for-nets-dangelo-russell-remains-key-to-the-season-and-he-knows-it

The 22-year-old guard — and restricted free agent — is playing for a new, long-term deal. He doesn’t only want to control his destiny, but he wants to be led there ... wants to be coached. Just ask Kenny Atkinson, his head coach, who stopped a training camp scrimmage because of one turnover – Russell’s only one during the encounter.

”I stopped the practice and told him about it,” Atkinson recalled of the incident, which occurred Tuesday. “And then the next day I came back and I said, ‘you know what? You did a hell of a job handling the ball. And I pointed out the only turnover you made.’ His response was, ‘keep coaching me.’ That’s the kind of rapport we have.”

Atkinson even admitted to feeling a level of guilt, but Russell handled it in stride. It’s what he wants.

“I told him ‘I want that. If you want to sub me out because of a turnover, however you decide to do it, I trust it.’ But trust me, there’s no way you’re mad, more than I am, about the turnover.’”

Please stop it with this bull **** agenda of yours regarding Russell. It derails conversation time and time again, and you keep spewing falsehoods. It's trolling dude, straight up.

[Claud]

LeVert to start at the 3 while DMC at PF until RHJ is back.

[Prokorov]

LeVert started 26 games as a rookie coming off rehab + no training camp. Then 10 last season when he happened to hit a nasty slump where he couldn't make anything. Those 10 last season were bad enough to drag the efficiency stats wayyy down.

Don't think that sample size is enough to prove anything. Its not like his time off the bench was just beating up on subs.

It's not a large sample size, true. But it's all we have to go by and thus far in every game he has had a chance to start Caris has not been good. That will change though I believe.

by the numbers, Russell is better, i think netsfan showed this in the trade and transactions board

[Prokorov]

LeVert to start at the 3 while DMC at PF until RHJ is back.

do we have a timeline on RHJ? hate that he is already banged up. for me thats the biggest issue with him, and what would worry me longterm if we gave him a deal

[jbeachboy]

so joe harris and treveon graham as backups?

[jbeachboy]

LeVert to start at the 3 while DMC at PF until RHJ is back.

do we have a timeline on RHJ? hate that he is already banged up. for me thats the biggest issue with him, and what would worry me longterm if we gave him a deal

no timeline on rhj, only day to day as usual. ive read nothing new on rhj, he hasnt played in full contact yet.

[TheNetsFan]

LeVert will get his chance to start. As much as this season is about winning, there is likely also an unspoken goal of increasing the trade value of certain players that may not be part of the long-term solution. Crabbe & Carroll likely head that list. RHJ & Dinwiddie could also be featured early if Marks thinks they won't be resigned in FA. Since the latter are on cheap deals, they're prime candidates for tax teams looking for added playoff depth.

[MrDollarBills]

LeVert started 26 games as a rookie coming off rehab + no training camp. Then 10 last season when he happened to hit a nasty slump where he couldn't make anything. Those 10 last season were bad enough to drag the efficiency stats wayyy down.

Don't think that sample size is enough to prove anything. Its not like his time off the bench was just beating up on subs.

It's not a large sample size, true. But it's all we have to go by and thus far in every game he has had a chance to start Caris has not been good. That will change though I believe.

by the numbers, Russell is better, i think netsfan showed this in the trade and transactions board

Really? Can you link to the post I'm interested to see that.