Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[Paradise]

David Aldridge has Kurucs as the 5th best SF prospect.

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Latvian forward Rodions Kurucs has been a pro for three years, most recently with Spanish powerhouse FC Barcelona, which has used him on its “B” team, Lassa, which plays in Spain’s second tier league, LEB Oro. (The Barcelona “A” team, with more proven talent and top prospects, plays in Spain’s ACB League, generally considered the best pro league in the world outside of the NBA.) Lassa was the first professional home of guard Mario Hezonja, who was taken with the fifth pick of the 2015 Draft by the Orlando Magic.

The 19-year-old Kurucs, who led Latvia’s Under 16 team to the title game at the 2014 European championships, has gotten decent playing time with Lassa, and would be a potential stash player for a team with multiple first-round picks, though he’s had a couple of knee injuries that have slowed him the last few years as he’s risen in international play.

“He’s skilled, versatile, can get on a roll shooting the ball,” a Southeast Division executive said.

The issue with Kurucs is, as with many young players good enough to play for a powerhouse organization like Barcelona, his existing contract, which has two years remaining. Some NBA teams fear that the buyout to get him out of the deal and allow him to sign with an NBA club is prohibitively expensive. Several scouts are planning to see Kurucs toward the end of this month; he’s just started Euroleague play with the parent club.

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[Prokorov]

Am I the only one that isn't huge on Bam? Could easily make it as a role player off the bench but I don't think we're in a position to be drafting someone with a ceiling as low as his

no. im lower on him too. i see him being like a trevor booker level player and im not sure he is a center in the NBA which would be my big concern

[Prokorov]

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I'd be pleased with this. Long term building for a brighter future. A lot of win now (lin) fans won't like the pick.


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id hate the pick. not cause i need a win now guy, but because im super low on kurucs. i havent seen a ton of him, but even in his highlights im like that dude looks like a scrub

but ill trust markinson as so far their draft picks have looked good through 1 year.

but man, that would really depress me. like what is his upside? a poor mans bogs with better D?

[Prokorov]

kurucs is another bogdanovic? do we really want another bogdanovic? i hope thats a false leak or rumor.

No, he's much more athletic than Bogdanovic and actually has potential to be a 2 way player with his length & athleticism (also plays with more aggression & energy). His long term potential comparison might actually be Nic Batum rather than Bogdanovic. However, being 19, he's still physically developing (needs to add weight to his frame), his ball handling skills are basic, and he has an injury history already. Still though, his skillset is advanced for a 19 year old.

from what ive seen he looks slower then bogs and super unathletic with a pretty weak handle.

again, i dont claim to be some super scout on the guy. but with alot of searching since he has been linked to us for a while im yet to find anything where im like yeah this guy could be an ok nba player

[MrDollarBills]

the fact that the name Bogdanovic is even being invoked here is a hard pass for me, but I trust Marks and co's eye for talent.

[Paradise]

the fact that the name Bogdanovic is even being invoked here is a hard pass for me, but I trust Marks and co's eye for talent.

He's a lot like Bogs skill wise but he's a better athlete than him.

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[DarkXaero]

kurucs is another bogdanovic? do we really want another bogdanovic? i hope thats a false leak or rumor.

No, he's much more athletic than Bogdanovic and actually has potential to be a 2 way player with his length & athleticism (also plays with more aggression & energy). His long term potential comparison might actually be Nic Batum rather than Bogdanovic. However, being 19, he's still physically developing (needs to add weight to his frame), his ball handling skills are basic, and he has an injury history already. Still though, his skillset is advanced for a 19 year old.

from what ive seen he looks slower then bogs and super unathletic with a pretty weak handle.

again, i dont claim to be some super scout on the guy. but with alot of searching since he has been linked to us for a while im yet to find anything where im like yeah this guy could be an ok nba player

From what I've seen, he seems more athletic and a lot more physical than Bogdanovic in the way he plays. That's what the scouting reports say too. I'll agree with the handles tho, they look weak.

[vincecarter4pres]

No, he's much more athletic than Bogdanovic and actually has potential to be a 2 way player with his length & athleticism (also plays with more aggression & energy). His long term potential comparison might actually be Nic Batum rather than Bogdanovic. However, being 19, he's still physically developing (needs to add weight to his frame), his ball handling skills are basic, and he has an injury history already. Still though, his skillset is advanced for a 19 year old.

from what ive seen he looks slower then bogs and super unathletic with a pretty weak handle.

again, i dont claim to be some super scout on the guy. but with alot of searching since he has been linked to us for a while im yet to find anything where im like yeah this guy could be an ok nba player

From what I've seen, he seems more athletic and a lot more physical than Bogdanovic in the way he plays. That's what the scouting reports say too. I'll agree with the handles tho, they look weak.

So maybe Linas Kleiza?

[vincecarter4pres]

Portland would have to offer Harkless or Crabbe.

Crabbe + 26
Harkless, Leonard + 20
Turner + 15

That's the bar. Harkless fits, Crabbe fits. Turner does not and his contract sucks.


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Turner's contract is vomit inducing. Minimum of the 15 and a top 8 protected 2018 1st or I'd run for the hills and even at that price I'd try my damnedest to force Nicholson on them.

I'd even want the 15 for absorbing Crabbe. Hell, for pure cap for Leonard I'd demand the 15.

These are all a lot of long term money for another junky slop pick like the 20th.

[DarkXaero]

from what ive seen he looks slower then bogs and super unathletic with a pretty weak handle.

again, i dont claim to be some super scout on the guy. but with alot of searching since he has been linked to us for a while im yet to find anything where im like yeah this guy could be an ok nba player

From what I've seen, he seems more athletic and a lot more physical than Bogdanovic in the way he plays. That's what the scouting reports say too. I'll agree with the handles tho, they look weak.

So maybe Linas Kleiza?

Interesting comparison. I would hope for better than Kleiza though.

[vincecarter4pres]

Rodions Kurucs has injury concerns???? mmmmmmmm slow it down.

And how much irony would it be to trade Bogs for an awful contract in Nicholson to get the 22nd... just to draft... the next Bogs?

And one with injury concerns? And one who might be a 2 or 3 year stash?

I'm trying to have unquestionable faith in Marks and co., but I'd be reluctant on this one...

[Paradise]

Kurucs has a much better all-around skill set than Bogdanovic. It's a lazy comparison by these so called experts.

Kurucs to me looks like a young Chandler Parsons. Bogdanovic was only good at scoring and rebounding when he was entering the league.





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[Prokorov]

Portland would have to offer Harkless or Crabbe.

Crabbe + 26
Harkless, Leonard + 20
Turner + 15

That's the bar. Harkless fits, Crabbe fits. Turner does not and his contract sucks.


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Turner's contract is vomit inducing. Minimum of the 15 and a top 8 protected 2018 1st or I'd run for the hills and even at that price I'd try my damnedest to force Nicholson on them.

I'd even want the 15 for absorbing Crabbe. Hell, for pure cap for Leonard I'd demand the 15.

These are all a lot of long term money for another junky slop pick like the 20th.

Crabbe is the longest/worst contract and worst player of the 3.

turners contract is awful but he is a much better player then crabbe and his deal is shorter/cheaper. if i ahve to chose between turner and crabbe i take turner every single time.

[Prokorov]

Kurucs has a much better all-around skill set than Bogdanovic. It's a lazy comparison by these so called experts.

Kurucs to me looks like a young Chandler Parsons. Bogdanovic was only good at scoring and rebounding when he was entering the league.





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parsons has a solid handle and is a pretty good athlete. kurucs looks like he is stuck in quicksand, not athleitc and makes RHJ look like kyrie when it comes to dribbling.

like VC4P said, im gonna give marks the faith, but this seems like a really bad pick to me

[Paradise]

Turner is not close to being better than Crabbe. PPG doesn't even come close to context.

Turner - 43% FG / 26% 3pt / 47% 2pt / 49.1 TS%. / 1.2 WS. $70m over 4 Yrs.

Crabbe - 46.8% FG / 44.4% 3pt / 49.0% 2pt / 60.2 TS% / 4.1 WS. $74m over 4 Yrs.

Crabbe is a flat out elite shooter regardless of his contract. He fills a need and allows us to get another prospect. Turner is a legit bad contract and a legit bad player.


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[vincecarter4pres]

Portland would have to offer Harkless or Crabbe.

Crabbe + 26
Harkless, Leonard + 20
Turner + 15

That's the bar. Harkless fits, Crabbe fits. Turner does not and his contract sucks.


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Turner's contract is vomit inducing. Minimum of the 15 and a top 8 protected 2018 1st or I'd run for the hills and even at that price I'd try my damnedest to force Nicholson on them.

I'd even want the 15 for absorbing Crabbe. Hell, for pure cap for Leonard I'd demand the 15.

These are all a lot of long term money for another junky slop pick like the 20th.

Crabbe is the longest/worst contract and worst player of the 3.

turners contract is awful but he is a much better player then crabbe and his deal is shorter/cheaper. if i ahve to chose between turner and crabbe i take turner every single time.

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Turner is not close to being better than Crabbe. PPG doesn't even come close to context.

Turner - 43% FG / 26% 3pt / 47% 2pt / 49.1 TS%. / 1.2 WS. $70m over 4 Yrs.

Crabbe - 46.8% FG / 44.4% 3pt / 49.0% 2pt / 60.2 TS% / 4.1 WS. $74m over 4 Yrs.

Crabbe is a flat out elite shooter regardless of his contract. He fills a need and allows us to get another prospect. Turner is a legit bad contract and a legit bad player.


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Agreed, Paradise.

And Crabbe is a guy you can throw in a lot of different lineups with low usage who doesn't need the ball in his hands or many plays run for him and could be the perfect stopgap at the wing if we go with a raw wing like OG, in the case of a trade like this.

Turner is a wildly mediocre, ball dominant, rock pounder who scores and creates in the most inefficient manner possible in today's NBA.

Crabbe all day.

In fact I think is take the 18th overall and a top 10 protected 2018 1st with Crabbe for maybe the 27 if that was ultimately the best Portland offered.

Or just the 18th and the 20 for Nicholson and the 27th.

[shakendfries]

Kurucs looks like he can hit a 3 or at least make a damn layup through traffic. Bogs has one move to the rim that's either a dunk or gets blocked.


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[DarkXaero]

I can't understand prokhorov's obsession with Turner. Mediocre player throughout his career (maybe 1 good season at Boston) on a gross contract. For some reason, prokhorov believes Evan Turner would provide leadership and be good for the locker room, when there is no evidence to support that. Infact, I've heard the opposite.

[Prokorov]

Turner's contract is vomit inducing. Minimum of the 15 and a top 8 protected 2018 1st or I'd run for the hills and even at that price I'd try my damnedest to force Nicholson on them.

I'd even want the 15 for absorbing Crabbe. Hell, for pure cap for Leonard I'd demand the 15.

These are all a lot of long term money for another junky slop pick like the 20th.

Crabbe is the longest/worst contract and worst player of the 3.

turners contract is awful but he is a much better player then crabbe and his deal is shorter/cheaper. if i ahve to chose between turner and crabbe i take turner every single time.

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Turner is not close to being better than Crabbe. PPG doesn't even come close to context.

Turner - 43% FG / 26% 3pt / 47% 2pt / 49.1 TS%. / 1.2 WS. $70m over 4 Yrs.

Crabbe - 46.8% FG / 44.4% 3pt / 49.0% 2pt / 60.2 TS% / 4.1 WS. $74m over 4 Yrs.

Crabbe is a flat out elite shooter regardless of his contract. He fills a need and allows us to get another prospect. Turner is a legit bad contract and a legit bad player.


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Agreed, Paradise.

And Crabbe is a guy you can throw in a lot of different lineups with low usage who doesn't need the ball in his hands or many plays run for him and could be the perfect stopgap at the wing if we go with a raw wing like OG, in the case of a trade like this.

Turner is a wildly mediocre, ball dominant, rock pounder who scores and creates in the most inefficient manner possible in today's NBA.

Crabbe all day.

In fact I think is take the 18th overall and a top 10 protected 2018 1st with Crabbe for maybe the 27 if that was ultimately the best Portland offered.

Or just the 18th and the 20 for Nicholson and the 27th.

Crabbe is a REALLY bad player and a pretty large net negative. his defense is somehwere between kilpatrick and bogs as a bottom 5 defender in the league. his shooting numbers look pretty, but thats partly because 99.9% of his offense is on stationary catch and shoot and on low volume at that.

turner promotes ball movement. he finds the open guy, he gets in the lane. he rebounds. yeah he is a below average player and doesnt shoot threes but he is still twice the player crabbe is.

crabbe is REALLY awful.