2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[DarkXaero]

The max offer was to make sure Washington paid full price.

That's nonsense, if we didn't offer him a max, Sacramento did and he would have accepted that instead. Sacramento moved on to other deals today because he accepted our max offer over their max offer. Marks' primary reason to make a max offer for Otto Porter is to have a chance to sign him, not to make sure that Wizards are capped out.

sac moved on before the nets offer. a pilot posted on twitter that lindsey also met with porter. The nets thing just happened.

Even if you believe that Sac moved on before the Nets offer, the fact still remains that Kings offered him a max. If we weren't interested in him, he would have accepted the Kings offer instead.

[pickIBL]

That's nonsense, if we didn't offer him a max, Sacramento did and he would have accepted that instead. Sacramento moved on to other deals today because he accepted our max offer over their max offer. Marks' primary reason to make a max offer for Otto Porter is to have a chance to sign him, not to make sure that Wizards are capped out.

sac moved on before the nets offer. a pilot posted on twitter that lindsey also met with porter. The nets thing just happened.

Even if you believe that Sac moved on before the Nets offer, the fact still remains that Kings offered him a max. If we weren't interested in him, he would have accepted the Kings offer instead.

no signature on the offer sheet. It was talk. They went in a different direction. Had the Nets not offered the max the market was starting to dry up. The Jazz would have had to work a sign and trade. Even dumping diaw they didn't have max space. They'd have to give you favs or burks to work it.

[Prokorov]

Olynk has basically been the same player since his rookie season statistically. Actually his rebounding and FT shooting have gone down since rookie year but his overall efficiency has increased due to playing in a better team. Yet somehow at the age of 26, he has a "lot of ceiling" left

Considering he was a 10/5 player who shot 35% from three his rookie year consistently posting that isnt exactly a bad thing. and yeah i mean at 26 i dont think he is completely a finished product that kenny couldnt get more out of. especially in a starting role with some pick an roll gaurds

The same advanced stats that prokorov loves to use in his arguments, actually paint JaMychal Green comfortably as a better defender than Olynyk. But here we have prokorov downplaying Green's defensive abilities, yet praising Olynyk's defense highly.

They play 2 different positions. its not an apples to oranges comparison... and im always saying how much volume and on ball vs. off ball impacts efficiency. we discussed regarding Russell yestarday as well as KCP vs. porter from three and earlier about crabbe vs. reddick from three.

I mean I doubt you even disagree.... threes from a center/big have a bit of added value. and the more volume you can take an maintain your 3 point percentage the better.

2 years ago Olynk shot 41% from three on 3 attempts per game.

[kamaze]

The max offer was to make sure Washington paid full price.

That's nonsense, if we didn't offer him a max, Sacramento did and he would have accepted that instead. Sacramento moved on to other deals today because he accepted our max offer over their max offer. Marks' primary reason to make a max offer for Otto Porter is to have a chance to sign him, not to make sure that Wizards are capped out.

sac moved on before the nets offer. a pilot posted on twitter that lindsey also met with porter. The nets thing just happened.

Sacramento could move on because he didn't sign their offer sheet. He didn't want to go there but he won't mind coming to Brooklyn!

[willywazza]

Wizards will probably match the offer for Otto but you have to commend management for going after him with an aggressive offer.

[Prokorov]

I wouldn't be so sure and it's not just because I personally hate the idea. You max KCP and you take away a lot of flexibility to absorb salary.

And I wouldn't be shocked to see them go after THJ on a much more reasonable deal instead anyway.

Maybe they don't even max KCP, they offer him 4/80-85. I don't know they value KCP like they did Porter, even with the reality of Porter being off the table and possibly they figure, we'll take KCP at 4/85, but not a dime more and if they match, yet another cap we've clogged and if they let him walk, this is who we wanted at the price we wanted him at?

There's always next summer to max Norman Powell...

i think you make the max offer to KCP because they would be in a bind and would need to clear cap to match. accoring to pistons fans, there is no obvious move to do that.

i cant imagine they lke porter but not KCP. all year we heard how the nets would go after those two as RFAs

I truly hate a max offer on KCP and dread the Pistons letting him walk. He's just not very good.

He is so inefficient, not more than an adequate shooter from deep, average finisher, mediocre shooter from anywhere besides 3, doesn't get to the line, for such a supposed high flyer has only 19 dunks on the year, not a great playmaker, low PER and pretty much every other advanced and raw counting stat, poor rebounder and he actually regressed this year.

What exactly is there to like? His good but not great defense? His freakish ability to drink and drive? Bleck...

Yeah i mean ive been on the stay away from KCP/Porter train from day 1. If you remember yestarday I asked people to sell me on why KCP would be a good idea.

All i can really come up with is he is a skilled athletic player who was held back by one of the leagues worse development teams (drummond/harris/johnson/KCP... none of them developed much at all).

His finishing concerns me the most. for a guy so athletic and strong he should finish better

[DarkXaero]

sac moved on before the nets offer. a pilot posted on twitter that lindsey also met with porter. The nets thing just happened.

Even if you believe that Sac moved on before the Nets offer, the fact still remains that Kings offered him a max. If we weren't interested in him, he would have accepted the Kings offer instead.

no signature on the offer sheet. It was talk. They went in a different direction. Had the Nets not offered the max the market was starting to dry up. The Jazz would have had to work a sign and trade. Even dumping diaw they didn't have max space. They'd have to give you favs or burks to work it.

There's no signature on the offer sheet right now either, it's talk but it will happen. The offer doesn't become official until Thursday noon if you want to be technical.The difference with the Otto Porter report right now is that he actually accepted ours. When the Kings offer was reported, it was never reported that he accepted the offer. I'm sorry but if you believe the primary reason Marks made a max offer for Porter is to make sure Wizards are capped out, you're insane.

[pickIBL]

Even if you believe that Sac moved on before the Nets offer, the fact still remains that Kings offered him a max. If we weren't interested in him, he would have accepted the Kings offer instead.

no signature on the offer sheet. It was talk. They went in a different direction. Had the Nets not offered the max the market was starting to dry up. The Jazz would have had to work a sign and trade. Even dumping diaw they didn't have max space. They'd have to give you favs or burks to work it.

There's no signature on the offer sheet right now either, it's talk but it will happen. The offer doesn't become official until Thursday noon if you want to be technical.The difference with the Otto Porter report right now is that he actually accepted ours. When the Kings offer was reported, it was never reported that he accepted the offer. I'm sorry but if you believe the primary reason Marks made a max offer for Porter is to make sure Wizards are capped out, you're insane.

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

[vincecarter4pres]

no signature on the offer sheet. It was talk. They went in a different direction. Had the Nets not offered the max the market was starting to dry up. The Jazz would have had to work a sign and trade. Even dumping diaw they didn't have max space. They'd have to give you favs or burks to work it.

There's no signature on the offer sheet right now either, it's talk but it will happen. The offer doesn't become official until Thursday noon if you want to be technical.The difference with the Otto Porter report right now is that he actually accepted ours. When the Kings offer was reported, it was never reported that he accepted the offer. I'm sorry but if you believe the primary reason Marks made a max offer for Porter is to make sure Wizards are capped out, you're insane.

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

So why exactly did he wait and not just sign Sacto's offer sheet then, days ago?

[pickIBL]

There's no signature on the offer sheet right now either, it's talk but it will happen. The offer doesn't become official until Thursday noon if you want to be technical.The difference with the Otto Porter report right now is that he actually accepted ours. When the Kings offer was reported, it was never reported that he accepted the offer. I'm sorry but if you believe the primary reason Marks made a max offer for Porter is to make sure Wizards are capped out, you're insane.

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

So why exactly did he wait and not just sign Sacto's offer sheet then, days ago?

Not possible after they went and overpaid hill and brought on randolph. Did Otto refuse the offer sheet? I doubt it. He probably just put them on hold, and when george hill's desperate new agent went to sac they got something done. Nothing like what Utah offered but enough.

[vincecarter4pres]

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

So why exactly did he wait and not just sign Sacto's offer sheet then, days ago?

Not possible after they went and overpaid hill and brought on randolph. Did Otto refuse the offer sheet? I doubt it. He probably just put them on hold, and when george hill's desperate new agent went to sac they got something done. Nothing like what Utah offered but enough.

This is a reach at best imho.

More likely is they got wind he would sign BK's sheet and went in a different direction with Hill and Randolph.

[pickIBL]

So why exactly did he wait and not just sign Sacto's offer sheet then, days ago?

Not possible after they went and overpaid hill and brought on randolph. Did Otto refuse the offer sheet? I doubt it. He probably just put them on hold, and when george hill's desperate new agent went to sac they got something done. Nothing like what Utah offered but enough.

This is a reach at best imho.

More likely is they got wind he would sign BK's sheet and went in a different direction with Hill and Randolph.

No more evidence for you than me. Plus Sacramento has been all over the map. It's just a big dish of who the F knows. All we know is your GM is just keeping another organization on the straight and narrow. Apparently Otto wasn't thrilled with his meeting with the Wiz. They wanted to pay only what they had to and told him to go get it.

[Ror1997]

There's no signature on the offer sheet right now either, it's talk but it will happen. The offer doesn't become official until Thursday noon if you want to be technical.The difference with the Otto Porter report right now is that he actually accepted ours. When the Kings offer was reported, it was never reported that he accepted the offer. I'm sorry but if you believe the primary reason Marks made a max offer for Porter is to make sure Wizards are capped out, you're insane.

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

So why exactly did he wait and not just sign Sacto's offer sheet then, days ago?

Because he's just making up his argument as he goes along so he can be right. The way He's trying to explain it kinda confirms he doesn't know how free agency works exactly. Its probably a kid. Everybody should just ignore him.

[pickIBL]

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

So why exactly did he wait and not just sign Sacto's offer sheet then, days ago?

Because he's just making up his argument as he goes along so he can be right. The way He's trying to explain it kinda confirms he doesn't know how free agency works exactly. Its probably a kid. Everybody should just ignore him.

I'm not posting my basketball resume on here. But even forgetting how embarrassingly wrong you are about my age, the Kings have been doing wacky things for a long time.

[DarkXaero]

no signature on the offer sheet. It was talk. They went in a different direction. Had the Nets not offered the max the market was starting to dry up. The Jazz would have had to work a sign and trade. Even dumping diaw they didn't have max space. They'd have to give you favs or burks to work it.

There's no signature on the offer sheet right now either, it's talk but it will happen. The offer doesn't become official until Thursday noon if you want to be technical.The difference with the Otto Porter report right now is that he actually accepted ours. When the Kings offer was reported, it was never reported that he accepted the offer. I'm sorry but if you believe the primary reason Marks made a max offer for Porter is to make sure Wizards are capped out, you're insane.

He's testing that they will match. They have been saying all along they will. He's just confirming it. But he knows. The Nets and Kings both suck. Otto is just using either to get paid.

Yo what???

[Vae Victus]

Is it possible to offer KCP a max 1+1 TO deal? I mean, if DET matches, oh well, if DET doesnt match then the team has a young asset to play with, either to keep after a test drive or to trade/let go.

BRK is in a good position due to the DLo/Mozgov trade. The C position is secured for a coupla years, no trade rumor drama with BroLo, and DLo offers a massive upside guard who can play either the 1 or the 2 in the future while under contract for 2 years plus RFA.

Before the trade, someone like Porter is needed BADLY, with a good chance that a desperation offer sheet would be thrown at KCP once WAS matches. Now its, oh well, if Porter isnt obtained, but a nice bonus if he does get snatched away. Also the odds of a desperation KCP offer has been drastically reduced as there's already excellent options for the 2 position in either DLo or Levert in the future.

Personally i'd look to move both/either of Booker or JHam in any future move as part of a S&T. Try to sell to other GMs how Booker/JHam can be cheap expiring assets. i'm down on Booker as he was given every chance to excel and he imho wasted it by trying to be too much of a hero while staying a non threat from 3. Hence why i was big on the Gallo/JaMychal/Olynk bandwagon to give the team a nice stretch 4 threat to nicely space the floor.

Dream trade, S&T for Green 3 years 30 mil 3rd year TO, while sending Booker to MEM to be a stopgap PF, expiring contract asset.

Fills the stretch 4 spot AND frees up 8 more mil of cap, so in reality only denting the cap by 2 mil and still ALOT to play with.

[Prokorov]

Is it possible to offer KCP a max 1+1 TO deal? I mean, if DET matches, oh well, if DET doesnt match then the team has a young asset to play with, either to keep after a test drive or to trade/let go.

BRK is in a good position due to the DLo/Mozgov trade. The C position is secured for a coupla years, no trade rumor drama with BroLo, and DLo offers a massive upside guard who can play either the 1 or the 2 in the future while under contract for 2 years plus RFA.

Before the trade, someone like Porter is needed BADLY, with a good chance that a desperation offer sheet would be thrown at KCP once WAS matches. Now its, oh well, if Porter isnt obtained, but a nice bonus if he does get snatched away. Also the odds of a desperation KCP offer has been drastically reduced as there's already excellent options for the 2 position in either DLo or Levert in the future.

Personally i'd look to move both/either of Booker or JHam in any future move as part of a S&T. Try to sell to other GMs how Booker/JHam can be cheap expiring assets. i'm down on Booker as he was given every chance to excel and he imho wasted it by trying to be too much of a hero while staying a non threat from 3. Hence why i was big on the Gallo/JaMychal/Olynk bandwagon to give the team a nice stretch 4 threat to nicely space the floor.

Dream trade, S&T for Green 3 years 30 mil 3rd year TO, while sending Booker to MEM to be a stopgap PF, expiring contract asset.

Fills the stretch 4 spot AND frees up 8 more mil of cap, so in reality only denting the cap by 2 mil and still ALOT to play with.

We can offer him any contract at any length. but i dont think he would take a 1 year deal. i think he would play on the qualifying offer and become a UFA before doing that

[hood30]

What's going on with the European guy?..Is he not coming to the NBA anymore?..I know the Nets guy D'Lo thus not having any need for him but wasn't he suppose to be hitting the NBA market?

[steady]

Well if they are matching, hopefully they do it early rather than wait till last hour of the 48 hours.

They have no reason to do Nets any favors.

Marks had to take gamble though.

Sure they do, its important for organizations to have a good relationship with each other, especially if they want us to be a willing partner for another one of their bad contracts in the future.

I agree with that. But seeing as we put them in hard position with respect to matching, I don't think anyone would see as foul play if they made Nets wait until last day. If I remember correctly, that is what both the Heat and Blazers did last year and both of those teams have well respected FOs

[ChokeFasncists]

We can all give our preferred plan B if porter is matched but i mean.... its a lock we max KCP if porter is matched

I wouldn't be so sure and it's not just because I personally hate the idea. You max KCP and you take away a lot of flexibility to absorb salary.

And I wouldn't be shocked to see them go after THJ on a much more reasonable deal instead anyway.

Maybe they don't even max KCP, they offer him 4/80-85. I don't know they value KCP like they did Porter, even with the reality of Porter being off the table and possibly they figure, we'll take KCP at 4/85, but not a dime more and if they match, yet another cap we've clogged and if they let him walk, this is who we wanted at the price we wanted him at?

There's always next summer to max Norman Powell...

Makes a lot of sense. Have the contract at just a little above their tax/cap threshold. The overpay would be less painful, if they match, so be it.