2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[TheNetsFan]

I'm not sure we'd go full max on KCP. I can see going just high enough to where Detroit would have to actually trade someone away in a salary dump to be able to match, e.g. 4/$90mil, possibly front-loaded. I think the additions of Kennard & Galloway point to Detroit being willing to let KCP walk.

[MrDollarBills]

it is possible but i doubt it. everything seemed to indicate they were going to max porter and KCP.

as much as i hate a max to KCP, i like it better then a 10-14M deal for THJ. They did play together at michigan.

say THJ is 14M. who are you using the other 12M on? are those 2 guys combined better then KCP?

id rather have the better talent for that 26M even if its overpaid then to lesser guys on better deals.

but im really in on MDB's plan of just passing on all non-minimum guys, rolling with what we have unless a salary dump comes out way.

Like for 15 million id rather have Carroll + a pick or young assett then THJ

I prefer the salary dump to the remaining FA's as well, but prefer THJ to KCP.

He'll be easier to move if necessary and when Booker/Hamilton/Lin come off the cap next summer, keeps more space open.

I'm always "out" on someone when you have to add the caveat "he is cheaper/easier to move" down the line. for me if thats even a consideration its probably a good sign you shouldnt sign the guy.

To me with health its a lock levert is better then THJ to the point where he becomes an expensive 6th or 7th man. id rather pay kilpatrick peanuts to be in that role even if he is worse at it.

That's my thing about Hardaway Jr. Why should we shell out 14 mil for a slightly better version of Sean Kilpatrick? The differences aren't that extreme between the two, THJr is better but Kilpatrick can still be servicable 10-15 mins a night as a bench sparkplug.

[MrDollarBills]

If Porter is matched as presumed, take on a small salary dump for a 1st and max out Cousins or Norman Powell next summer.

DeMarcus Cousins?

[Netaman]

Potential Sign and Trade option:

Nets in: otto porter (26M) Ian Mahinmi (15M)

Nets out: RHJ, Booker(expiring 9M), Hamilton (expiring 3M)

I think thats a deal the wizards would sign on for. with booker/hamilton expiring thats 15M off next years cap for them and they add RHJ still on this rookie deal.

not saying id do this... but i think this is what a sign and trade would probably look like if marks doesnt want them to match

I personally wouldn't take on Mahinmi at any cost. $40M total per year for 3 years too big of a risk. Maxing out Porter is risk enough from a purely salary standpoint, adding the extra $15M on top of the $20M+ that we're already covering from Mozgov/Nicholson - that's a lot of dead money. For example, I'd rather absorb Crabbe's deal and get a draft pick than pay the 40M, especially if it's also giving up an asset like RHJ.

In fact, if Washington straight matches us I think I'd take on Crabbe with a 2018 1st and then try to take on Farried for Hamilton or Skil. The east is so bad this squad might compete for a playoff spot and we'd be in line for about $20M in cap room next offseason before dumping any contracts.

Lin - Dinwiddie - Whitehead
Russell - Crabbe - Harris
LeVert - RHJ - Acy
Farried - Booker
Mozgov - Allen

[Princeinrevolt]

Sean Marks should try to get either James Johnson or JaMychal Green.

[Netaman]

Sean Marks should try to get either James Johnson or JaMychal Green.

Green could easily be the Porter backup plan. Johnson would probably be more of a 1 year prove it deal, but I could see it later in July if nothing else materializes.

[vincecarter4pres]

If Porter is matched as presumed, take on a small salary dump for a 1st and max out Cousins or Norman Powell next summer.

DeMarcus Cousins?

One can dream big, can't one?

[Prokorov]

I'm not sure we'd go full max on KCP. I can see going just high enough to where Detroit would have to actually trade someone away in a salary dump to be able to match, e.g. 4/$90mil, possibly front-loaded. I think the additions of Kennard & Galloway point to Detroit being willing to let KCP walk.

well that number is basically the max. they a max offer puts them over the apron by 2.2 million.

we could offer 24M instead of 26M i suppose but thats still a huge offer and his agent probably squeezed the extra 2M in order to sign.

marks also isnt a guy who likes to cut extra dollars and would prefer to take care of his guys

[Prokorov]

Potential Sign and Trade option:

Nets in: otto porter (26M) Ian Mahinmi (15M)

Nets out: RHJ, Booker(expiring 9M), Hamilton (expiring 3M)

I think thats a deal the wizards would sign on for. with booker/hamilton expiring thats 15M off next years cap for them and they add RHJ still on this rookie deal.

not saying id do this... but i think this is what a sign and trade would probably look like if marks doesnt want them to match

I personally wouldn't take on Mahinmi at any cost. $40M total per year for 3 years too big of a risk. Maxing out Porter is risk enough from a purely salary standpoint, adding the extra $15M on top of the $20M+ that we're already covering from Mozgov/Nicholson - that's a lot of dead money. For example, I'd rather absorb Crabbe's deal and get a draft pick than pay the 40M, especially if it's also giving up an asset like RHJ.

In fact, if Washington straight matches us I think I'd take on Crabbe with a 2018 1st and then try to take on Farried for Hamilton or Skil. The east is so bad this squad might compete for a playoff spot and we'd be in line for about $20M in cap room next offseason before dumping any contracts.

Lin - Dinwiddie - Whitehead
Russell - Crabbe - Harris
LeVert - RHJ - Acy
Farried - Booker
Mozgov - Allen

I agree, im not a fan of that trade... however i think thats what a trade would look like if marks wants porter here.

im cool with faried if an asset is attached but otherwise we are spending 20 million on faried and booker to sit the bench behind RHJ. if we can give them booker for faried im ok with that swap. that would shed 1 year off faried for them

[Prokorov]

Sean Marks should try to get either James Johnson or JaMychal Green.

I cant see Johnson leaving Miami. if we could get johnson though id much prefer him to green. Johnson is sneaky underrated and looked great with expanded playing time. I used to hate on him on the raps board to tweak their fans when we played them in the playoffs and they were acting like he was DPOTY and would slow down joe johnson.... but then he was actually pretty sick on D

[vincecarter4pres]

Potential Sign and Trade option:

Nets in: otto porter (26M) Ian Mahinmi (15M)

Nets out: RHJ, Booker(expiring 9M), Hamilton (expiring 3M)

I think thats a deal the wizards would sign on for. with booker/hamilton expiring thats 15M off next years cap for them and they add RHJ still on this rookie deal.

not saying id do this... but i think this is what a sign and trade would probably look like if marks doesnt want them to match

I personally wouldn't take on Mahinmi at any cost. $40M total per year for 3 years too big of a risk. Maxing out Porter is risk enough from a purely salary standpoint, adding the extra $15M on top of the $20M+ that we're already covering from Mozgov/Nicholson - that's a lot of dead money. For example, I'd rather absorb Crabbe's deal and get a draft pick than pay the 40M, especially if it's also giving up an asset like RHJ.

In fact, if Washington straight matches us I think I'd take on Crabbe with a 2018 1st and then try to take on Farried for Hamilton or Skil. The east is so bad this squad might compete for a playoff spot and we'd be in line for about $20M in cap room next offseason before dumping any contracts.

Lin - Dinwiddie - Whitehead
Russell - Crabbe - Harris
LeVert - RHJ - Acy
Farried - Booker
Mozgov - Allen

I agree, im not a fan of that trade... however i think thats what a trade would look like if marks wants porter here.

im cool with faried if an asset is attached but otherwise we are spending 20 million on faried and booker to sit the bench behind RHJ. if we can give them booker for faried im ok with that swap. that would shed 1 year off faried for them

I don't see that at all. $42+ million a season for Porter is lunacy. And giving up Rondae in the process?

That's some Billy King ****.

[Prokorov]

I personally wouldn't take on Mahinmi at any cost. $40M total per year for 3 years too big of a risk. Maxing out Porter is risk enough from a purely salary standpoint, adding the extra $15M on top of the $20M+ that we're already covering from Mozgov/Nicholson - that's a lot of dead money. For example, I'd rather absorb Crabbe's deal and get a draft pick than pay the 40M, especially if it's also giving up an asset like RHJ.

In fact, if Washington straight matches us I think I'd take on Crabbe with a 2018 1st and then try to take on Farried for Hamilton or Skil. The east is so bad this squad might compete for a playoff spot and we'd be in line for about $20M in cap room next offseason before dumping any contracts.

Lin - Dinwiddie - Whitehead
Russell - Crabbe - Harris
LeVert - RHJ - Acy
Farried - Booker
Mozgov - Allen

I agree, im not a fan of that trade... however i think thats what a trade would look like if marks wants porter here.

im cool with faried if an asset is attached but otherwise we are spending 20 million on faried and booker to sit the bench behind RHJ. if we can give them booker for faried im ok with that swap. that would shed 1 year off faried for them

I don't see that at all. $42+ million a season for Porter is lunacy. And giving up Rondae in the process?

That's some Billy King ****.

it all depends on how high marks is on porter. this isnt something im suggesting, just the kind of deal i can see going down if marks really thinks porter is better then KCP or other options.

I think this is the price the wizards would require not to match, and if we said no they would just match.

[NetSymptom]

If Porter is matched as presumed, take on a small salary dump for a 1st and max out Cousins or Norman Powell next summer.

DeMarcus Cousins?

One can dream big, can't one?

I would think being a Nets fan for so long would have taught you otherwise

[DarkXaero]

If Porter is matched as presumed, take on a small salary dump for a 1st and max out Cousins or Norman Powell next summer.

Norman Powell? Max? What?

[vincecarter4pres]

DeMarcus Cousins?

One can dream big, can't one?

I would think being a Nets fan for so long would have taught you otherwise

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[Karate Diop]

So... We're stuck with Mozgov and we have Allen... Should we give any interest to Mason Plumlee or has that ship sailed?

Also what kind of deal do you think Tyreke is going to get this year? It's really not looking good for him... Most of us knew his ROY year was fool's gold but last year he looked exceptionally bad coming back from injury.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Here is a question for you guys:

What if LeBron wants to leave Cleveland and realizes that he has to stay East?

Obviously New York would be the best place for his business/entertainment business. And no way he looks at the Knicks with James Dolan.

Anyway the Nets can make cap space for 3 max contracts and sign him plus any other max contracts he wants?

Maybe LeBron, Westbrook, Cousins?

Obviously a pipe dream but not completely unthinkable.

[J_LA]

Here is a question for you guys:

What if LeBron wants to leave Cleveland and realizes that he has to stay East?

Obviously New York would be the best place for his business/entertainment business. And no way he looks at the Knicks with James Dolan.

Anyway the Nets can make cap space for 3 max contracts and sign him plus any other max contracts he wants?

Maybe LeBron, Westbrook, Cousins?

Obviously a pipe dream but not completely unthinkable.

If Lebron decides to leave Cleveland and play in New York, It's hard to imagine it not being for the Knicks.

Melo is already there, and has no problem playing for Dolan. It looks like there is also a good chance Dave Griffin will be hired as gm as well. If that happens I'm pretty sure Griffin and Melo will both be recruiting Lebron from now until next summer.
I think the Knicks are much more realistic than the Nets imo.

[DarkXaero]

Here is a question for you guys:

What if LeBron wants to leave Cleveland and realizes that he has to stay East?

Obviously New York would be the best place for his business/entertainment business. And no way he looks at the Knicks with James Dolan.

Anyway the Nets can make cap space for 3 max contracts and sign him plus any other max contracts he wants?

Maybe LeBron, Westbrook, Cousins?

Obviously a pipe dream but not completely unthinkable.

I know it might seem crazy to say this now but the 2019 FA class is absolutely stacked. We are in a unique position where we might end up being the team with the most cap flexibility in 2019, depending on how much we spend this summer and next. Obviously, it also hugely depends on the development of young talent like Russell, Levert, RHJ etc. Russell and RHJ will be RFAs in 2019 but their cap holds aren't huge enough to significantly impact our spending if we want to. If Marks can retain cap flexibility, and if our young players develop a lot in these next two seasons, who knows the type of talent we could attract in NYC in FA. After this coming season, we also finally gain back control of our own 1st round pick.

Looking at the contract lengths on our team, I'm sure it's something Marks has already looked at and considered.

2019 FA class (UFAs):

James Harden
Kawhi Leonard
Jimmy Butler
Klay Thompson
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Nikola Jokic
Deandre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Hassan Whiteside
Carmelo Anthony
Al Horford
Khris Middleton
Harrison Barnes

And more. Depending on when they choose to opt out, Lebron, Westbrook and Durant could also be FAs in 2019 but I chose to leave them out, because they'll probably opt out after this coming season and sign a bigger contract.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Here is a question for you guys:

What if LeBron wants to leave Cleveland and realizes that he has to stay East?

Obviously New York would be the best place for his business/entertainment business. And no way he looks at the Knicks with James Dolan.

Anyway the Nets can make cap space for 3 max contracts and sign him plus any other max contracts he wants?

Maybe LeBron, Westbrook, Cousins?

Obviously a pipe dream but not completely unthinkable.

If Lebron decides to leave Cleveland and play in New York, It's hard to imagine it not being for the Knicks.

Melo is already there, and has no problem playing for Dolan. It looks like there is also a good chance Dave Griffin will be hired as gm as well. If that happens I'm pretty sure Griffin and Melo will both be recruiting Lebron from now until next summer.
I think the Knicks are much more realistic than the Nets imo.

I don't buy that.

First of all, Melo will not be playing in New York at the start of this season. And its not like Griffin and LeBron are besties. They just have mutual respect for each other.

James Dolan might be the worst owner in sports. And he will not let LeBron have power over the franchise. LeBron criticized him for the Oakley decision.
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/09/charles-oakley-knicks-fiasco-james-dolan-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-reggie-miller

Why would he leave one owner he hates for another one?

The Nets would cede all the power to him. I could even see them offering him a piece of the Nets after he retires.

And the Knicks will have to retain Prozingis. The Nets have no such players that they need to pay on the roster.