Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[MrDollarBills]

If the Lakers can find a team with cap space who will take one of the picks, I would trade Kyrie. We just get the Lakers later pick.

[3pt_chucker]

Nets are prioritizing players not picks and those 2 picks are coming with Westbrook attached. No thanks.

Now if KD gets traded, then I can see the Nets trying a 3 team deal of some kind where Westbrook gets dumped elsewhere.

Far better plan to hold both until a great KD offer comes in.

[GTR11]

If the Lakers can find a team with cap space who will take one of the picks, I would trade Kyrie. We just get the Lakers later pick.

Russ will be owned less than 20m in real money around trade deadline. His salary still will count as 40+m. There are teams that will go in salary dump mode. Always the case. Let that team pay Det or San An.

I'm to greedy I'm not sharing them lotto picks with anyone. 2027-29 around the corner, most don't even realize how fast time goes by.

[GTR11]

Nets are prioritizing players not picks and those 2 picks are coming with Westbrook attached. No thanks.

Now if KD gets traded, then I can see the Nets trying a 3 team deal of some kind where Westbrook gets dumped elsewhere.

Far better plan to hold both until a great KD offer comes in.

Both of them have to go before training camp. Starting season with toxic environment will be disaster. These player stans plus media will damage Mark/Tsai rep big time. Thinking casual fan won't take a note is a mistake. Will hurt them in a long run, that's without taking player agents into consideration.

Russ is expiring contract. This is an asset itself. Thing is, LA in a win now mode which puts them in defeated situation. Won't be case here in BK, by trade deadline San An or Det will have to make up some salary. They can eat Russ contract with no long term damage.

[TheNetsFan]

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Now I'm not understanding Marks here. Woj just said LA willing to give up 2 unprotected 1st rounders. I know we don't know insider stuff, Woj does though. How in the bleep Marks not pulling this trade right now. Kyrie is a damn cancer who started all this bs, thinking he won't sabotage this season is moronic. WTF is going on

NOP will play hardball, at the end of the day they right to protect their interests. JB and whatever on the table right now. Not the best option but at least it'll put some stability and excitement back.

Like some mentioned it's hard to get up and cheer for this team right now. This is not healthy at all. Pull the damn plug and call it a day. JB, Grant, Baynes and Bledsoe will put us right there into contention with bunch of assets we can play on. This FO starting to lose me and some other casual fans I talk to daily.

Who are you trading with Kyrie to make the salary work? Curry, Harris? It's best to wait to see how the KD situation pans out, because if he stays, you want Kyrie, and if KD is traded, you may be able to combine the trades and not need to send out additional salary.

[GTR11]

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Now I'm not understanding Marks here. Woj just said LA willing to give up 2 unprotected 1st rounders. I know we don't know insider stuff, Woj does though. How in the bleep Marks not pulling this trade right now. Kyrie is a damn cancer who started all this bs, thinking he won't sabotage this season is moronic. WTF is going on

NOP will play hardball, at the end of the day they right to protect their interests. JB and whatever on the table right now. Not the best option but at least it'll put some stability and excitement back.

Like some mentioned it's hard to get up and cheer for this team right now. This is not healthy at all. Pull the damn plug and call it a day. JB, Grant, Baynes and Bledsoe will put us right there into contention with bunch of assets we can play on. This FO starting to lose me and some other casual fans I talk to daily.

Who are you trading with Kyrie to make the salary work? Curry, Harris? It's best to wait to see how the KD situation pans out, because if he stays, you want Kyrie, and if KD is traded, you may be able to combine the trades and not need to send out additional salary.

To get them picks to be unprotected, I'll send them Seth there. He won't be coming back next year anyway.

I'm not sure who mentioned it and where but, guy said you still have to build nucleus or get star player ( franchise if possible ) through draft. All teams have to do that sooner or later. Now let's see why previously Nets where unsuccessful before anyone will jump here :
1. Nets where all about moving to BK. Ratner knew he won't be making decisions, Prok wanted to be that bridge owner who will resell. We finally got an owner who is willing to be one for long term, that's why acquiring high picks is essential.
2. From what we've learned through this decade is a)-> this stars that available never franchise players b)-> they need attractive location, teammates and coach who will keep them in check.

This picks will be high lotto picks written all over it. LBJ is washed, AD is brittle as it gets and Kyrie is Kyrie. Add the fact they got incompetent ownership in Buss and Pelinka, yes that is dumpster fire.

We can blame Marks for a lot of short comings, what we all agree on is that he can find gems. I really want to see what he can do with high lotto picks. We not giving ourselves any favors here if we not trying it right now. I mean look, we giving up headcase in Kyrie who is definition of culture killer. Can't lose at all.

[Skybox]

This situation sucks, but Nash probably needs to step down. The present roster is ready to contend and Nash really isn't a good coach (yet). He's a great guy and a HOFer, but this team is not built for a few years of coach development. This should be BRK's golden year, but it's a disaster.

I hate watching KD pull this s**t, after he basically constructed this team while on crutches and collecting a max. My favorite outcome for BRK is to get Jaylen Brown and more, then move Kyrie for what he's worth -NOT what LAL has on hand, and then watch a reborn Simmons play like an MVP while BRK destroys the East (out of spite)...only to lose to MVP Paolo Banchero and DPOY Jon Isaac in the Conference Finals

[MagicBagley18]

The reason Imo why marks wouldn’t pull the trigger on a kyrie trade right away is because then other teams would know at least seemingly that Durant would be next and then offers that were already not to the nets satisfaction would be worse or stay the same. You’d prefer to trade Durant first and then circle back to a kyrie trade.

Of course there is always the outside chance that a kyrie trade may make Brooklyn more appealing to Durant?

[MrDollarBills]

This situation sucks, but Nash probably needs to step down. The present roster is ready to contend and Nash really isn't a good coach (yet). He's a great guy and a HOFer, but this team is not built for a few years of coach development. This should be BRK's golden year, but it's a disaster.

I hate watching KD pull this s**t, after he basically constructed this team while on crutches and collecting a max. My favorite outcome for BRK is to get Jaylen Brown and more, then move Kyrie for what he's worth -NOT what LAL has on hand, and then watch a reborn Simmons play like an MVP while BRK destroys the East (out of spite)...only to lose to MVP Paolo Banchero and DPOY Jon Isaac in the Conference Finals

lmao Banchero and Issacs could be nasty if John can stay healthy

I don't think anyone here is upset that KD wants Nash fired, we have been calling for his head since last year because he's horrible. The issue is the timing of this, and also the inclusion of Sean Marks. KD went from basically defending Nash against criticism after the playoffs to randomly calling for his job...after he makes an out of the blue trade request. And then to add in Marks on top of it, when Marks has bent over backwards for KD AND Kyrie? No way.

[MrDollarBills]

The reason Imo why marks wouldn’t pull the trigger on a kyrie trade right away is because then other teams would know at least seemingly that Durant would be next and then offers that were already not to the nets satisfaction would be worse or stay the same. You’d prefer to trade Durant first and then circle back to a kyrie trade.

Of course there is always the outside chance that a kyrie trade may make Brooklyn more appealing to Durant?

Who knows what KD wants man, he's a headcase. Kyrie opts in and then you demand a trade? If he wanted Kyrie gone he should have said so, but he's a coward.

You'll see, if this trade ever gets done.

[MagicBagley18]

The reason Imo why marks wouldn’t pull the trigger on a kyrie trade right away is because then other teams would know at least seemingly that Durant would be next and then offers that were already not to the nets satisfaction would be worse or stay the same. You’d prefer to trade Durant first and then circle back to a kyrie trade.

Of course there is always the outside chance that a kyrie trade may make Brooklyn more appealing to Durant?

Who knows what KD wants man, he's a headcase. Kyrie opts in and then you demand a trade? If he wanted Kyrie gone he should have said so, but he's a coward.

You'll see, if this trade ever gets done.

Yea that’s the question I kind of have and don’t know and it’s is kyrie a part of the reason Durant wants out but won’t say it publicly because of the relationship the 2 have? They are obviously friends but maybe he doesn’t want his remaining prime years tied to his buddy whose so unpredictable.....I have no idea of the answer.

I also am confused about the whole kyrie thing from your guys perspective- what’s the goal with him? If he comes back and plays his off and has a great year and plays 60 games will they give him his full guaranteed max? are they willing to risk him coming back and then leaving in the off season or demanding a trade?

[MrDollarBills]

Off topic, but hell we've lost Michael Grady to the T-Wolves

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He deserves it!

[gigantes]

The reason Imo why marks wouldn’t pull the trigger on a kyrie trade right away is because then other teams would know at least seemingly that Durant would be next and then offers that were already not to the nets satisfaction would be worse or stay the same. You’d prefer to trade Durant first and then circle back to a kyrie trade.

Of course there is always the outside chance that a kyrie trade may make Brooklyn more appealing to Durant?

Who knows what KD wants man, he's a headcase. Kyrie opts in and then you demand a trade? If he wanted Kyrie gone he should have said so, but he's a coward.

You'll see, if this trade ever gets done.

Yea that’s the question I kind of have and don’t know and it’s is kyrie a part of the reason Durant wants out but won’t say it publicly because of the relationship the 2 have? They are obviously friends but maybe he doesn’t want his remaining prime years tied to his buddy whose so unpredictable.....I have no idea of the answer.

I also am confused about the whole kyrie thing from your guys perspective- what’s the goal with him? If he comes back and plays his off and has a great year and plays 60 games will they give him his full guaranteed max? are they willing to risk him coming back and then leaving in the off season or demanding a trade?

1) I think sometimes we give way too much credit to certain players' thinking processes, as if they're '5D chess players' or something. In reality, it seems pretty clear that KD&KI are moreso just living in their little bubbles, have extreme difficulty understanding various perspectives, such as fan, media and owners, and mostly just want what they want, now.

Point is, if you're expecting them to make long-term strategic sense from one statement or decision to the next, I think you're giving them way too much credit. The main thing they seem absolutely rock-solid consistent on is feeling disrespected, then refusing to cooperate in one way or another once that happens. Like having the emotional maturity of a grade-schooler, but with a legion of supporters (and money) telling you you're being a righteous adult, and the other side is wrong. It's an absurd situation, but here we are.

2) Really nothing to do but to wait and see how Kyrie performs and how his semi-fragile body holds up. I could easily see the Nets trading him near the deadline for a reasonable haul to a needful contender, letting him play out the season then letting him go, or even giving him a short max if he has a strong season and the team somehow remains a contender. IIRC S&T is off the table next offseason, right? Personally I'd love to see either option A or D.

[MagicBagley18]

Who knows what KD wants man, he's a headcase. Kyrie opts in and then you demand a trade? If he wanted Kyrie gone he should have said so, but he's a coward.

You'll see, if this trade ever gets done.

Yea that’s the question I kind of have and don’t know and it’s is kyrie a part of the reason Durant wants out but won’t say it publicly because of the relationship the 2 have? They are obviously friends but maybe he doesn’t want his remaining prime years tied to his buddy whose so unpredictable.....I have no idea of the answer.

I also am confused about the whole kyrie thing from your guys perspective- what’s the goal with him? If he comes back and plays his off and has a great year and plays 60 games will they give him his full guaranteed max? are they willing to risk him coming back and then leaving in the off season or demanding a trade?

1) I think sometimes we give way too much credit to certain players' thinking processes, as if they're '5D chess players' or something. In reality, it seems pretty clear that KD&KI are moreso just living in their little bubbles, have extreme difficulty understanding various perspectives, such as fan, media and owners, and mostly just want what they want, now.

Point is, if you're expecting them to make long-term strategic sense from one statement or decision to the next, I think you're giving them way too much credit. The main thing they seem absolutely rock-solid consistent on is feeling disrespected, then refusing to cooperate in one way or another once that happens. Like having the emotional maturity of a grade-schooler, but with a legion of supporters (and money) telling you you're an adult, and the other side is wrong. It's an absurd situation, but here we are.

2) Really nothing to do but to wait and see how Kyrie performs and how his semi-fragile body holds up. I could easily see the Nets trading him near the deadline for a reasonable haul to a needful contender, letting him play out the season then letting him go, or even giving him a short max if he has a strong season and the team somehow remains a contender. IIRC S&T is off the table next offseason, right? Personally I'd love to see either option A or D.

Disagree about the first one. I think these guys are pretty smart and calculated in regards to their career. We as fans and I’ve lived it with kyrie just don’t always agree with what they do. I think most stars want what they want now and for the most part they get it. Durant will as well just maybe not right this second but when you always get everything you want it doesn’t hurt to ask.

As far as your 2nd point it makes sense but what needful contender is gonna take a risk on kyrie knowing he can bolt in 3 months? And what if he doesn’t wanna go there and is dead set on LA? seems risky letting it go to that tbh if I’m the nets

[Paradise]

Tsai is not REBUILDING, this is not the Nets of old; Nets will ONLY obtain picks in two instances, if there are superstar player caliber players in the draft(ala Simmons) or to trade for a superstar down the road. There is a reason the Nets want Booker, Brown, Tatum, etc..... in any trade for KD. Nets are your new Lakers, star chasers but Marks will attain the necessary assets to get them here. NJ Nets are no more.

Thank You.

Tired of reading the poverty franchise mindset around here. It’s cringeworthy.

Again, no one's suggesting a full rebuild here. Also, I don't think it's appropriate to call it a "poverty franchise mindset" as we went big time 3x but with pitiful results. From the DWill trade, to acquiring the corpse of KG & PP, to handing over the franchise to the 7-11 clowns. In hindsight, we would still do it, but up to what extent do we go that route?

Growing organically might still work, while we try to build around our remaining core with Ben10, young plater traded for KD, etc. I'm sure Marks is still willing to swing the fences, that's why we have a lot of short-term contracts now.

Assuming in the best case scenario we go that route. It certainly doesn’t guarantee Simmons would want to stay and extend.

I honestly just want to see a combination of talent that fits well with the time line under Ben. We honestly don’t have too much of a foundation besides him at 25. You get that with Jaylen Brown. I’d definitely say yes to any Ingram offer but we have to continue to build the same model even if it’s a tier below talent wise and experience wise.

[gigantes]

Yea that’s the question I kind of have and don’t know and it’s is kyrie a part of the reason Durant wants out but won’t say it publicly because of the relationship the 2 have? They are obviously friends but maybe he doesn’t want his remaining prime years tied to his buddy whose so unpredictable.....I have no idea of the answer.

I also am confused about the whole kyrie thing from your guys perspective- what’s the goal with him? If he comes back and plays his off and has a great year and plays 60 games will they give him his full guaranteed max? are they willing to risk him coming back and then leaving in the off season or demanding a trade?

1) I think sometimes we give way too much credit to certain players' thinking processes, as if they're '5D chess players' or something. In reality, it seems pretty clear that KD&KI are moreso just living in their little bubbles, have extreme difficulty understanding various perspectives, such as fan, media and owners, and mostly just want what they want, now.

Point is, if you're expecting them to make long-term strategic sense from one statement or decision to the next, I think you're giving them way too much credit. The main thing they seem absolutely rock-solid consistent on is feeling disrespected, then refusing to cooperate in one way or another once that happens. Like having the emotional maturity of a grade-schooler, but with a legion of supporters (and money) telling you you're an adult, and the other side is wrong. It's an absurd situation, but here we are.

2) Really nothing to do but to wait and see how Kyrie performs and how his semi-fragile body holds up. I could easily see the Nets trading him near the deadline for a reasonable haul to a needful contender, letting him play out the season then letting him go, or even giving him a short max if he has a strong season and the team somehow remains a contender. IIRC S&T is off the table next offseason, right? Personally I'd love to see either option A or D.

Disagree about the first one. I think these guys are pretty smart and calculated in regards to their career. We as fans and I’ve lived it with kyrie just don’t always agree with what they do. I think most stars want what they want now and for the most part they get it. Durant will as well just maybe not right this second but when you always get everything you want it doesn’t hurt to ask.

I don't think we're really disagreeing much.

None of what I said was inaccurate, and you're right that players (superstars in particular) do get what they want in terms of the short-term, more or less. Even holding out for a year, like Simmons pretty much did, can be seen as a "win." Similar with Harden.

My point is that these guys and their agents are indeed good at getting what they want in terms of short-term dynamics, and the wheels are indeed greased by massive amounts of money, which they already have, and which they're worth as future earners.

But in terms of truly understanding what others are thinking around them, it's more than clear that KD&KI in particular are hilariously inept, and live in bubbles of their own construction. They'll go from saying one dumbass, clueless thing, completely lacking in self-awareness, to another. Just that they have the rare luxury of that not messing up their overall bargaining power too much.

It's a rare situation, one that only a tiny fraction of us fans can relate to, and you can bet your arse that if those two chuckleheads were in a different industry / profession, this kind of thing would be going vastly differently for them.

As far as your 2nd point it makes sense but what needful contender is gonna take a risk on kyrie knowing he can bolt in 3 months? And what if he doesn’t wanna go there and is dead set on LA? seems risky letting it go to that tbh if I’m the nets

Are you forgetting the fact that so far there's been pitifully inadequate interest across the league in Kyrie? Because so far there's been pitiful interest in trading for Kyrie.

Needful contender? Why, any contender that feels that they're close, and that adding Kyrie for three months is worth it. That's who. And unlike a Harden for example, the price should be relatively light.

If you're a contender who feels that would put you over the top, just for the current iteration, there's plenty of reason to do it. One might even speculate that Kawhi in TOR helped set a certain precedent.

[MagicBagley18]

1) I think sometimes we give way too much credit to certain players' thinking processes, as if they're '5D chess players' or something. In reality, it seems pretty clear that KD&KI are moreso just living in their little bubbles, have extreme difficulty understanding various perspectives, such as fan, media and owners, and mostly just want what they want, now.

Point is, if you're expecting them to make long-term strategic sense from one statement or decision to the next, I think you're giving them way too much credit. The main thing they seem absolutely rock-solid consistent on is feeling disrespected, then refusing to cooperate in one way or another once that happens. Like having the emotional maturity of a grade-schooler, but with a legion of supporters (and money) telling you you're an adult, and the other side is wrong. It's an absurd situation, but here we are.

2) Really nothing to do but to wait and see how Kyrie performs and how his semi-fragile body holds up. I could easily see the Nets trading him near the deadline for a reasonable haul to a needful contender, letting him play out the season then letting him go, or even giving him a short max if he has a strong season and the team somehow remains a contender. IIRC S&T is off the table next offseason, right? Personally I'd love to see either option A or D.

Disagree about the first one. I think these guys are pretty smart and calculated in regards to their career. We as fans and I’ve lived it with kyrie just don’t always agree with what they do. I think most stars want what they want now and for the most part they get it. Durant will as well just maybe not right this second but when you always get everything you want it doesn’t hurt to ask.

I don't think we're really disagreeing much.

None of what I said was inaccurate, and you're right that players (superstars in particular) do get what they want in terms of the short-term, more or less. Even holding out for a year, like Simmons pretty much did, can be seen as a "win." Similar with Harden.

My point is that these guys and their agents are indeed good at getting what they want in terms of short-term dynamics, and the wheels are indeed greased by massive amounts of money, which they already have, and which they're worth as future earners.

But in terms of truly understanding what others are thinking around them, it's more than clear that KD&KI in particular are hilariously inept, and live in bubbles of their own construction. They'll go from saying one dumbass, clueless thing, completely lacking in self-awareness, to another. Just that they have the rare luxury of that not messing up their overall bargaining power too much.

It's a rare situation, one that only a tiny fraction of us fans can relate to, and you can bet your arse that if those two chuckleheads were in a different industry / profession, this kind of thing would be going vastly differently for them.

As far as your 2nd point it makes sense but what needful contender is gonna take a risk on kyrie knowing he can bolt in 3 months? And what if he doesn’t wanna go there and is dead set on LA? seems risky letting it go to that tbh if I’m the nets

Are you forgetting the fact that so far there's been pitifully inadequate interest across the league in Kyrie? Because so far there's been pitiful interest in trading for Kyrie.

Needful contender? Why, any contender that feels that they're close, and that adding Kyrie for three months is worth it. That's who. And unlike a Harden for example, the price should be relatively light.

If you're a contender who feels that would put you over the top, just for the current iteration, there's plenty of reason to do it. One might even speculate that Kawhi in TOR helped set a certain precedent.

You just said there’s no interest in kyrie and then in the next breathe said any contender would have interest in kyrie...how can it be both? I don’t agree with that really at all. Sure, his price may be low but you also risk rocking the boat and ruining any team dynamic that that team may have with kyrie’s unpredictability in terms of contenders trading for him.

Kawhi is a top 5 player and he had a full training camp and season with a team to build cohesion and chemistry etc. kyrie is not the guy to just throw into the locker room and it’s all peace and love. Not to mention if he does come back and play his ass off and realizes there’s a market developing for him he could demand a trade at any time and has all the leverage in the last year of his deal.

Maybe he stays in Brooklyn long term and that’s his goal and the nets as well but I’d be extremely cautious taking him at his word and rolling the dice with him especially if there’s a potential to get a 3 way trade going to get the lakers picks and also wary that suddenly in a contract year he’s 100% all in.

[MrDollarBills]

Windhorst is saying that the Nets are looking like we're running it back.

[NetsWorld]

Thank You.

Tired of reading the poverty franchise mindset around here. It’s cringeworthy.

Again, no one's suggesting a full rebuild here. Also, I don't think it's appropriate to call it a "poverty franchise mindset" as we went big time 3x but with pitiful results. From the DWill trade, to acquiring the corpse of KG & PP, to handing over the franchise to the 7-11 clowns. In hindsight, we would still do it, but up to what extent do we go that route?

Growing organically might still work, while we try to build around our remaining core with Ben10, young plater traded for KD, etc. I'm sure Marks is still willing to swing the fences, that's why we have a lot of short-term contracts now.

Assuming in the best case scenario we go that route. It certainly doesn’t guarantee Simmons would want to stay and extend.

I honestly just want to see a combination of talent that fits well with the time line under Ben. We honestly don’t have too much of a foundation besides him at 25. You get that with Jaylen Brown. I’d definitely say yes to any Ingram offer but we have to continue to build the same model even if it’s a tier below talent wise and experience wise.

Nets have Simmons for three years, why worry about extending him when you may not want him after three years if they don't win or he is not producing? Nets will look at the next FA class in two years and the 2026 one. Doncici, Giannis, Booker will all become available at some point and the Nets will pounce.

[gigantes]

You just said there’s no interest in kyrie and then in the next breathe said any contender would have interest in kyrie...how can it be both? I don’t agree with that really at all. Sure, his price may be low but you also risk rocking the boat and ruining any team dynamic that that team may have with kyrie’s unpredictability in terms of contenders trading for him.

Holy hell, completely missing the context which I layed in more than a little detail.

Gonna just assume reading comprehension is not your friend.

Kawhi is a top 5 player and he had a full training camp and season with a team to build cohesion and chemistry etc. kyrie is not the guy to just throw into the locker room and it’s all peace and love. Not to mention if he does come back and play his ass off and realizes there’s a market developing for him he could demand a trade at any time and has all the leverage in the last year of his deal.

Spectacularly missing the point yet again. Assuming 'every last gamble must look like the Kawhi situation' in order to make a relevant point, completely whiffing on the fact that it was one example in a ripe field of others.

Go home, "MagicBagley18,"
you're completely lacking in history, context, detail and currency.