Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[NyCeEvO]

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That's why I've always included him in my list of desired bigs. Although I can see a team reaching for him.

[Kaiser30]

Prok is right. Bazemore had career best numbers almost across the board with LA. It was only a 23 game run though so tiny sample size. Reason he didn't get paid was he also had his career worse numbers that same season with GS including a 6.2 PER.

The 2014 LA Lakers were a 25 win team. Just like Ellington, he produced solid stats on a bad team in tank mode. The way I see it, Bazemore became a better defender in Atlanta and an important piece on a good team. I'm cool with saying "The Hawks did a good job scouting him and got him on the cheap". But I don't think you can say that he didn't make any progress in Atlanta despite turning into a highly demanded free agent.

[jbeachboy]

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That's why I've always included him in my list of desired bigs. Although I can see a team reaching for him.

what you guys think of pascesniks?

[shakendfries]

Prok is right. Bazemore had career best numbers almost across the board with LA. It was only a 23 game run though so tiny sample size. Reason he didn't get paid was he also had his career worse numbers that same season with GS including a 6.2 PER.

The 2014 LA Lakers were a 25 win team. Just like Ellington, he produced solid stats on a bad team in tank mode. The way I see it, Bazemore became a better defender in Atlanta and an important piece on a good team. I'm cool with saying "The Hawks did a good job scouting him and got him on the cheap". But I don't think you can say that he didn't make any progress in Atlanta despite turning into a highly demanded free agent.

This isn't about Bazemore. This is about Crabbe. And as far as I'm concerned, they're both signed to ridiculous contracts.

If I'm Sean Marks, if you ain't talking draft picks I don't wanna talk




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[NyCeEvO]

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[Curns13]

Prok is right. Bazemore had career best numbers almost across the board with LA. It was only a 23 game run though so tiny sample size. Reason he didn't get paid was he also had his career worse numbers that same season with GS including a 6.2 PER.

The 2014 LA Lakers were a 25 win team. Just like Ellington, he produced solid stats on a bad team in tank mode. The way I see it, Bazemore became a better defender in Atlanta and an important piece on a good team. I'm cool with saying "The Hawks did a good job scouting him and got him on the cheap". But I don't think you can say that he didn't make any progress in Atlanta despite turning into a highly demanded free agent.

No arguement from me. Someone asked for Prok's evidence, so that's where his arguement is coming from.

[shakendfries]

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[MrDollarBills]

Why not draft both Latvian players?

[NyCeEvO]

Why not draft both Latvian players?

We probably won't have the opportunity to do so.

Somebody is going to reach for Pasecniks.

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[kamaze]

no one who knows basketball takes crabbe over turner. crabbe is an enormous liability. you dont really need to work to gaurd him (he wont put it on the floor and he is shy to shoot unless he is super wide open) and on defense he absolutely kills you.

everything you can do with crabbe you can do better with joe harris.

crabbe is REALLY awful. like of all the guys who play 25+ minutes he has got to be among the worst of them.

turner isnt good, but he provides a utility, wont kill you on defense, rebounds, and is great around young players.

That's why the team offered him that contract and Portland matched right?

Joe was signed after Portland matched but you want people to believe he's better? One got $74 million the other a minimum contract but the one who got the minimum is better riiiight.

You left out the most important part he's a shooting guard who can't shoot!

1) I think we know by now that making more money then someone doesnt make you better. There is a reason that after ONE season portland already regrets the crabbe deal and is considering giving up a pick to mvoe him.

2) We dont really have to speculate. we have the stats to show that Joe Harris is better (unless you dont think defense matters, in which case its about even)

3) how is harris a shooting gaurd who cant shoot? he led the team in three point shooting at 39%... and unlike crabbe it wasnt just catch and shoot threes.

if your only argument for crabbe is "he makes more" thats kind of a weak argument.

1) Let me break it down for you both of them were second round picks the difference is Crabbe worked out for his team getting resigned while Joe got traded from the Cavs that drafted him then waived by Orlando...Brooklyn only looked at him after Portland matched the contract they offered to Crabbe.
Portland regrets having the 2nd highest payroll not necessarily over paying Crabbe.

[kamaze]

Evan Turner is over paid, so is Myers Leonard, Maurice Harkless that's why they'res talks about them sending out one of their contracts with one of their picks.

[kamaze]

2) Where are these stats that prove Joe is better? Nevermind they don't exist.

Allen Crabbe

#23 SG6' 6", 215 lbs Portland Trail Blazers
BornApr 9, 1992 in Los Angeles, CA (Age: 25)
Drafted2013: 2nd Rnd, 31st by CLE
CollegeCalifornia
Experience3 years

2016-17 Season
PPG APG PER
10.7 1.2 11.64
In 28 minutes per game he shot 46%, 44% from three, 84% at the free throw line, 0.3 blocks 0.7steals off the bench.

Joe Harris

#12 SF6' 6", 219 lbs Brooklyn Nets
BornSep 6, 1991 in Chelan, WA (Age: 25)
Drafted2014: 2nd Rnd, 33rd by CLE
CollegeVirginia
Experience2 years

2016-17 Season
PPG APG PER
8.2 1.0 9.04
In 22 minutes per game he shot 42%, 38% from three, 71% at the foul line, 0.2 blocks 0.6 steals

Joe's the better bargain but definitely not a better player. Crabbe is an upgrade, an expensive one but they'd be getting the 15th pick is it worth it? That's the million dollar question.

[Keith Van Horn]

I see Prok's point on Crabbe v. Harris. Definitely not worth it unless the #15 is coming back, and probably more.

But I also wouldn't mind this: Accept the #20 pick (Denver's pick) and then take the Blazer's first rounder next year too, since we don't have anything in store. They can even lotto protect it.

Gives us #20, 22, 27 this year, and at least guaranteed first rounder next year too.

Thoughts on that?

[Keith Van Horn]

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That's why I've always included him in my list of desired bigs. Although I can see a team reaching for him.

you mean we could have our own unicorn? Both teams' marketing depts would love blowing up matchups all season long... lol. Of course he'd have to have the NBA game to back it up though.

[Claud]

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That's why I've always included him in my list of desired bigs. Although I can see a team reaching for him.

you mean we could have our own unicorn? Both teams' marketing depts would love blowing up matchups all season long... lol. Of course he'd have to have the NBA game to back it up though.

I hope we pick 2 bigs with our 22 and 27 picks. Pasecniks + Patton/Giles/Bam type bigs.


I think we can draft Semi or Bacon by buying a 2nd rounder

[vincecarter4pres]

turner promotes ball movement. he finds the open guy, he gets in the lane. he rebounds. yeah he is a below average player and doesnt shoot threes but he is still twice the player crabbe is.

crabbe is REALLY awful.

I really have to disagree here Prok. Turner to me is a complete ball stopper and rock pounder. He does the exact opposite of promoting movement. He dominates the ball and that's how he finds the open man. He must have the ball in his hands AT ALL TIMES to maintain any type of production, yet he's not even close to good enough for that type of usage and style of game to ever have anything other than a huge negative impact and flow kill for everyone on the floor with him and he's inefficient in doing so to boot and I say this even with him presumed the 6xth man.

Turner is the type of player I NEVER want on my team, AT LITERALLY ANY COST... I mean I wouldn't want him on vet min, he completely retards any young player development of his teammates and destroys the flow of the game and impact of any vets with him.

Yuck, yuck, yuck!

And I say this as someone who LOVED E.T. when he was at the Ohio State and thought he was going to be a Brandon Roy Lite. He is not though, he's a failure at this level.

Marks needs to get literally like 3 1sts to take on that contract, including a mandatory 15th overall, a 2018 pick with only top 8 protection at worst and either a 2020 1st with reasonable protection, or also the 18th.

I was in absolute shock when Portland signed him to that contract, both monetarily and because he was THE EXACT LAST THING their squad needed in style of player.

[kamaze]

Damn not even on a vet minimum contract VC4P you had him on your fantasy team didn't you?

[DeRoma]

I actually had floor seats one time when he was still a Sixer. He had such an awful body language like he didn't care whatsoever about the game. It was a close game and he wasn't even listening to the coach while everyone was huddle up late at the game. He was slouching in his seat and had his arm laying across the shoulder rest of those steel folding chairs. He had that look where he was just waiting for the game to be over cuz he was playing so awful when he was in. Tony Wroten was doing work that game which is why I thought he was really good lol

[NyCeEvO]

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That's why I've always included him in my list of desired bigs. Although I can see a team reaching for him.

you mean we could have our own unicorn? Both teams' marketing depts would love blowing up matchups all season long... lol. Of course he'd have to have the NBA game to back it up though.

Yeah, I remember reading someone discuss the potential of having two unicorns in NYC lol. I guess we'll have to wait and see.