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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1581 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:03 am

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vincecarter4pres wrote:I am **** floored right now. Floored. Stunned. I know these guys don't usually pan out this late, but this is inexcusable for a 12 win team to do what we just did. FMFL.



There is one other possibility. That we have a trade in the works...and they coveted this kid rather than 27/31.

So lets see how this pans out.

Ah, you've just reached the tamest of my rant. :lol:
I've since calmed a bit, but I'm still not happy at all.
We'll see. I have a feeling it's going to be a long offseason though.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1582 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:03 am

Jersey Generals wrote:Well, that means Deng is going to Orlando, with the Hammer and Pietrus going to Chicago.



Idiotic trade if the Magic make that deal.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1583 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:04 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Sigh...

Well, after I have overreacted, I have to say, let's see how this pans out, maybe we'll buy or trade for an early second rounder or two and get at least one of Armon Johnson, Mikhail Torrance, Terrico White or Hobson.

Probably not though, we'll probably buy a pick and get a guy like Lance Stephenson or Gani Lawal.

Sigh...



Responding 2 hrs behind you.....and it kills me we didnt buy a single second rounder tonight.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1584 » by Jersey Generals » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:04 am

netsfanbq wrote:Anyone for hiring Kevin Pritchard as Thorn's #2 and eventual replacement? Thorn isn't getting any younger.


Won't happen. Sooner or later the Nets are going to be flooded with Europeans.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1585 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:05 am

mikhailjordan wrote:In all seriousness now that I think about it... Who would you draft at the #31?



Whiteside.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1586 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:05 am

netsfanbq wrote:Anyone for hiring Kevin Pritchard as Thorn's #2 and eventual replacement? Thorn isn't getting any younger.

Make Pritch the GM, put Rod back where he should be, the team president.

Too late now though, he wouldn't have botched up the end of this draft like Thorn.

Pritch would have walked with Damion James and one of the better combo guards and either a guy like Whiteside or Armon Johnson.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1587 » by netsfanbq » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:06 am

I don't personally want him in NJ, but as a college fan hope Scottie Reynolds ends up somewhere. Wouldn't mind seeing Sherron Collins get a summer league tryout though. Not great at anything, but a big-time winner...could be a nice practice player. Also, Ramon Clemente has elite speed.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1588 » by demens » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:08 am

What exactly did we trade CDR for again? Bucks with Jennings and Bogut seem like a team on the come up, not quite sure if the 2012 2nd rounder is gonna end up any better then #44 which they just sold. So why couldn't we trade CDR for the 44th again?

Hell check out what the Mavs did. Drafted Alabi and traded him to Toronto for Cash AND a future 2nd rounder and Toronto will suck after Bosh is gone.

So the Nets turned CDR into a Bucks future 2nd rounder.
The Mavs turned the 50th pick into a Toronto future 2nd rounder AND they got money for it.

Nets turned 27th and 31st pick into the 24th pick.
Mav turned $3mil into the 25th pick.

Rod, just please retire, i'm begging you. It seems that despite having a 1000 2nd rounders work out here, the Nets really didn't do their home work and had no targets for the 2nd round other then Tiny Gallon, who btw, was draft with Milwaukees last 2nd rounder, the 47th pick! This is just unreal to me. I know this is just 2nd round picks, but how can anyone argue that Thorn is absolutely clueless when it comes to drafting. Too busy playing bluffing Wolves into extra assets, huh, how did that work out again?
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1589 » by demens » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:10 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:3 names to remember as undrafted free agents:
Mikhail Torrance
Manny Harris
Sherron Collins


Brian Zoubek
Miroslav Raduljica
Alexey Shved
Jerome Randle
Sherron Collins
Sylven Landesberg
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1590 » by demens » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:11 am

netsfanbq wrote:Anyone for hiring Kevin Pritchard as Thorn's #2 and eventual replacement? Thorn isn't getting any younger.


A million times YES. Him or Tom Penn or both. Hell, i'd take Kerr and Danny Ferry over Thorn on any day. I'd take David Kahn after today. I'd take Kiki back.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1591 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:11 am

demens wrote:What exactly did we trade CDR for again? Bucks with Jennings and Bogut seem like a team on the come up, not quite sure if the 2012 2nd rounder is gonna end up any better then #44 which they just sold. So why couldn't we trade CDR for the 44th again?

Hell check out what the Mavs did. Drafted Alabi and traded him to Toronto for Cash AND a future 2nd rounder and Toronto will suck after Bosh is gone.

So the Nets turned CDR into a Bucks future 2nd rounder.
The Mavs turned the 50th pick into a Toronto future 2nd rounder.

Nets turned 27th and 31st pick into the 24th pick.
Mav turned $3mil into the 25th pick.

Rod, just please retire, i'm begging you. It seems that despite having a 1000 2nd rounders work out here, the Nets really didn't do their home work and had no targets for the 2nd round other then Tiny Gallon, who btw, was draft with Milwaukees last 2nd rounder, the 47th pick! This is just unreal to me. I know this is just 2nd round picks, but how can anyone argue that Thorn is absolutely clueless when it comes to drafting. Too busy playing bluffing Wolves into extra assets, huh, how did that work out again?

This is one of the very seldom times I agree with you.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1592 » by netsfanbq » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:17 am

demens wrote:
netsfanbq wrote:Anyone for hiring Kevin Pritchard as Thorn's #2 and eventual replacement? Thorn isn't getting any younger.


A million times YES. Him or Tom Penn or both. Hell, i'd take Kerr and Danny Ferry over Thorn on any day. I'd take David Kahn after today. I'd take Kiki back.

Come on, Khan? He's pissed off every GM in the league and botched two drafts in a row. Kiki can tear a team down, but can he build a winner? He did fall in love with Tskitishvilli (sp?) and then Yi. I like Thorn, but he could always use a good #2 (as could any good GM...)
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1593 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:18 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:The worst part about this is two sided.
If you strike out in FA, you want those high upside young guys, so hopefully one of the later ones pans out to a steal.
If you do well in FA, you have to fill out a bench, so you want those high upside young guys with the later picks, so hopefully one of them pans out and you have a big minute sixth man or 5th best starter for the long term so you don't have to spend the MLE on over the hill has beens each year, rinse and repeat...
Or they become trade assets to acquire a player like that or a high pick when you don't have access to one because your record was so good.
Foolish.
E tried to steer me in the direction that Rod has done well over the years drafting, but unless I eat my words and James becomes the next Millsap and all "my guys" become forgetable busts, this is another example of him being a terrible drafter with later picks when no brainers don't fall to him.
He has no creativity and no balls. No sight of the bigger picture, he sees the now and that's it.
Again, this maybe very premature because we may buy a second or two and he'll be telling me, "I told you so, calm down, it's not over, stop overreacting.", but me, Yi have little faith...



he has done well with the picks you can realistically hold him accountable for. But to look back after the point on late picks and say...oooh why didnt we take the needle in the haystack that you can see 3-5 years later should have been drafted. Now, I am Ok with your premise though. If you are going to strike out with low picks...strike out hard.

But hey....Marcus Williams was an all upside, steal potential pick who failed. Ditto to Sean Williams. he was ALL UPSIDE....FAILURE. Nenad WAS actually a steal. Ryan Anderson was a good pick...then we dealt him as a throw in...go figure that one...but we made a good pick there! Boone was taken because we absolutely needed the role big that year. There wasnt one better so you cant complain about that. Lets be honest...you knoew nothing about Zoran Planinic when we took him...them we all thought..OK did we just get another Euro steal like Nenad?

Brandon Armstrong was idiotic. No question. Twin...also feel free to rip that pick. But...we got into the final twice after that...and this takes us back to 2001...so where exactly are these horrible picks he made from 18 and beyond????

I have no problem with your premise. Want to take higher upside guys...fine. But its hard to pin draft mistakes for 20 something picks....even looking back on Rod as terrible picks. There are a crap shoot as it is...and he actually got a couple of good ones...and many of the ones he blew were upside picks....so? What's THE PROBLEM????!!!! :D
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1594 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:20 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:I feel like it's Christmas and I got a brand new PS3, but instead of getting games with it all I got was long johns and socks.



Socks arent so bad.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1595 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:22 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:And now the Knicks get gifted Mikhail Torrance...



?????
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1596 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:24 am

Jersey Generals wrote:CP3 on his way to Orlando...maybe.

http://www.clickorlando.com/magic/24029691/detail.html



Doesnt make sense. If he can find a taker for Okafor...then why wouldnt we have done it?

VC and Jameer over #3 and Devin???????????????????????
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1597 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:30 am

mikhailjordan wrote:I'm fine with the Favors pick regardless of what happens with Cousins. There were concerns with both players, revisionist historians will downplay that if one of them busts but there wasn't so much a "right" pick between the two as far as I'm concerned.



I agree with you. No point in looking back on it. But...I openly admit...if Cousins explodes and Favors flops...on this pick...absolutely you have to hold management accountable.

Ripping them for the Zoran Planinic's of the world or whatever happens to the 24 Vs. 27 tonight? Nah.

You get a chance to take the best big man in the draft...you BETTER get it right or you will have it on your head.

I happen to agree though. As a FAN...I support the move...even if the more I saw of Cousins the more the dreaded potential word kept coming out of my mouth. I accept as a fan not betting on Cousins upside to avoid the downside of his growing backside.
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1598 » by mikhailjordan » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:31 am

Now that my draft fever has subsided a little bit I will say this... One of the positives that comes out of this draft and the CDR trade is that the Nets have now assembled a cast of players that are willing (and in most cases able*) to defend.

I honestly feel like the Nets are trying to establish a winning culture with these moves and create a defense first mentality.

*Before someone gets on Yi's butt, let me preface by saying that while he sucks on defense the effort is there. Yi is a nice guy but he just doesn't have a very high basketball IQ...

Also on a related note as much as I wanted Crawford, he is a bit of a gunner / maverick, and going with what I mentioned above I can understand trading him / not picking him since he (like CDR) doesn't really fall in line with the culture that the Nets are trying to develop...

With that being said I still don't feel the #24 was good value for the #27 and #31, but before I get on my man Mikhail (no homo) I'm going to wait for free agency to play out. Cash + #27 should have been enough to move up to #24 but oh well, what's done is done...
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1599 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:31 am

Rich Rane wrote:FORUM REPORT
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Now didnt I say that last night? :wink:
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Re: 2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors 

Post#1600 » by enetric » Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:37 am

Jersey Generals wrote:Why can't we flash some of that Proky cash and pick up a mid 40s pick and get either Alabi or Sherron Collins?




The only thing annoying me more tonight than the fact that we havent bought 2nd rounders for cash...is that the three idiots sitting next to Bilas who keep talking abut Lebron and what could happen...and havent said Nets in the same sentence in 4.5 hours of coverage.

I am not saying predict him to come to us. But if you are going to give a shout out to every team with cash and opportunity...and talk about suporting cast for the top free agents...at least mention the only one of those teams who had a high draft pick and was listed 3rd in the graphic ESPN showed over and over for most salary cap space.

Fcukers.

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