The Nets and Kenny Atkinson part ways

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I don’t know how true this is though

[ProspectPark]

it wont be someone like that. it will be someone like Lue or Mike Brown

Kyrie didn’t respect Ty Lue in Cleveland. 0% chance he would want him in Brooklyn.

I’m pretty sure Kevin Durant is smart enough to know Mike Brown isn’t a championship caliber coach. Same with Mark Jackson.

they dont need to respect them really or think they are championship calibur. they just need someone who is going to let them do what they want. they are puppets and ego managers.

you wont see a real coach, it will be a manager

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It's funny to see prokorov, who called others out for being knee jerk so many times, is now having arguably the most knee jerk reaction out of all of us. Marks is somehow now Billy King esque, we fired a top 5 coach, and we have horrible, meddling ownership

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It's funny to see prokorov, who called others out for being knee jerk so many times, is now having arguably the most knee jerk reaction out of all of us. Marks is somehow now Billy King esque, we fired a top 5 coach, and we have horrible, meddling ownership

That’s pretty much how I took it after letting the pure raw emotion die down.

The reality is, I don’t think even Kenny wanted to coach a championship or bust contender so soon. I think he wanted to relish in the organic growth of the development side of things and we practically hit a level he didn’t expect to hit or possibly wasn’t prepared for.

I don’t think it’s as simple as us firing him for a bad season or due to expectations. Something tells me he felt out didn’t enjoy coaching a team with higher expectations like this with a mix of young guys and very established vets.-

[MrDollarBills]

Lots of muddy water right now from the media. The only thing that I think is true is that Kenny wanted out.

This is a complete **** show. It's embarrassing.

I'm not feeling any of this. I gave Sean Marks too much credit.

[GTR11]

“Kevin Durant has high praise for the Kings and Dave Joerger”
Dec 2018

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018/12/13/18139504/kevin-durant-has-high-praise-for-the-kings-and-dave-joerger

I'm cool with him but drinking cool aid right now and thinking about Pop's.

[MGrand15]

My final thoughts on this until some real news breaks:

1. It's rare that you get a firing that leaves fans and media completely confused. Usually in situations like this, the media jumps to defend a coach that appears good but fans are usually like ehh it was time for a change, he wasn't that good. In this thread, I'm seeing a ton of people that regularly killed Kenny not on board with this move AT ALL.

2. The media and the beat writers LOVED Kenny and they were not satisfied with the weak answers given today by Marks. I get the feeling that they're not going to be as easy on the team as they were before. A LOT of writers were straight up angry. There seems to be a sense that the stars are coming in and tearing down the culture we worked hard to build for the last 4 years. And at this point, I can't argue. From the start, it felt like Kyrie had veto power over Kenny. Not sure if Kenny just had TOO much respect for him or if it came from above but something was wrong when he started playing Kyrie 35 minutes on the 2nd game of s back to back straight off injury.

3. I don't know what the reasoning behind this was but doing this now was a huge mistake by everyone involved. If they didn't believe in Kenny, fine. But let him finish the year out. Fire him after we get crushed in the playoffs. Doing this now just screams disfunctional. Zero upside.

4. The only bright spots this year have been Dinwiddie and LeVert flashing All Star talent + Claxton looking like a legit player. Outside of that, the year has been a disaster start to finish. Too many things to name at this point. Rodi's legal troubles + wasted year, Chandler's suspension, China trip, Kyrie's injuries starting before training camp, LeVert starting off terribly, etc. This is just the cherry on top.

5. I'ma just put this on the record now. If we sign Mark Jackson and the Knicks sign Kenny, I'm turning into a Knick fan. My RJ Barrett jersey will be in the mail before the press conferences happen.

[DarkXaero]

Lots of muddy water right now from the media. The only thing that I think is true is that Kenny wanted out.

This is a complete **** show. It's embarrassing.

I'm not feeling any of this. I gave Sean Marks too much credit.

The official word is that relationship between Kenny and Marks became worse, most likely due to on court reasons. I don't have a problem with Marks firing Kenny, and replacing him with a coach more suitable for a title contender, because I see Kenny as a developmental coach. My only real issue here is the timing. I think this would have been much better if we let him see the season out, rather than doing it abruptly with 20 games to go. And because of this timing, I also don't think Kyrie & KD have much to do with this, because they're not even playing right now or anytime soon.

[MGrand15]

Some of you guys are overreacting. Yes this year has been trash. But how many of you guys honestly think Kenny was the one to take us to the next level? Even with KD/Kyrie I had my doubts that Kenny was that guy. He had too many flaws that will cost us down the line. I think he's the perfect assistant coach but his X and Os aren't the best. He played guys like Prince and Chandler much longer than they should have been and over other guys who put in more effort like Kurucs.

The players were not putting in the effort , and we clearly seen this during the games and many of us has called out the effort of this team. Hats off to Kenny for the great job he has done here and helping payers reach their potential. He's a great develop but as far as championship pedigree, I don't think he's that guy. My only issue with it is the timing. But he seemed like he wanted out as well. It was only a matter of time, and I rather it be now then it happen after a complete meltdown in the ECF or something. I wholeheartedly trust Marks and I know he will get the best guy available. He hired Marks and for great reason, he's done a fine job.

i think kenny is a top 5 coach in this league. i thought he was elite in all the things you criticize him for.

i think talent wise (sans kyrie) this team is bottom 2-3. last year we were bottom 5 or 6. Kenny had this team playing well above its heads

I don't think Kenny is top 5 but I agree with most of what you're saying in this thread. I don't see how this could be BASKETBALL related.

Kenny's philosophies were right in line with analytics while giving players the freedom to break out of it to fit their strengths. Elite developmental coach. Top notch out of timeout plays. Rotations that made perfect sense. We were top 10 defensively with 1 or 2 good defenders in our rotations. That's incredible.

Basketball wise - his weaknesses have been end of game situations, overplaying Prince, and not playing Rodi? Is that really enough to fire a franchise staple over? Craziness.

[MrDollarBills]

Lots of muddy water right now from the media. The only thing that I think is true is that Kenny wanted out.

This is a complete **** show. It's embarrassing.

I'm not feeling any of this. I gave Sean Marks too much credit.

The official word is that relationship between Kenny and Marks became worse, most likely due to on court reasons. I don't have a problem with Marks firing Kenny, and replacing him with a coach more suitable for a title contender, because I see Kenny as a developmental coach. My only real issue here is the timing. I think this would have been much better if we let him see the season out, rather than doing it abruptly with 20 games to go. And because of this timing, I also don't think Kyrie & KD have much to do with this, because they're not even playing right now or anytime soon.

That's the thing that baffles me: KD hasn't played, Kyrie has barely played. Yet, the optics look like they have come in here and basically tearing apart what was established over the last few years.

If Marks wanted to can Kenny, fine. But the team and the star players look really bad here and the media will not treat them lightly.

You can't escape bad optics. If Jarrett Allen comes off the bench today, I can only guess what will be said on Monday. The Nets are going to get eviscerated.

[gigantes]

I think you have to go back to the press conference and reevaluate from the starting point that things weren't working for ~3 months now.

Otherwise it's just you conspiring gears in your head trying to come up with reasons why this was indeed a crazy, snap decision.

[GTR11]

Lots of muddy water right now from the media. The only thing that I think is true is that Kenny wanted out.

This is a complete **** show. It's embarrassing.

I'm not feeling any of this. I gave Sean Marks too much credit.

The official word is that relationship between Kenny and Marks became worse, most likely due to on court reasons. I don't have a problem with Marks firing Kenny, and replacing him with a coach more suitable for a title contender, because I see Kenny as a developmental coach. My only real issue here is the timing. I think this would have been much better if we let him see the season out, rather than doing it abruptly with 20 games to go. And because of this timing, I also don't think Kyrie & KD have much to do with this, because they're not even playing right now or anytime soon.

That's the thing that baffles me: KD hasn't played, Kyrie has barely played. Yet, the optics look like they have come in here and basically tearing apart what was established over the last few years.

If Marks wanted to can Kenny, fine. But the team and the star players look really bad here and the media will not treat them lightly.

You can't escape bad optics. If Jarrett Allen comes off the bench today, I can only guess what will be said on Monday. The Nets are going to get eviscerated.

I think it's clear as day that Marks has his views and Kenny had his. They bumped heads and it got to the point one had to go. Tsai picked Marks to lead rest of the way because players also thought Marks has it right.
We all liked Kenny but it's over now. Time to move on.

[GTR11]

Some of you guys are overreacting. Yes this year has been trash. But how many of you guys honestly think Kenny was the one to take us to the next level? Even with KD/Kyrie I had my doubts that Kenny was that guy. He had too many flaws that will cost us down the line. I think he's the perfect assistant coach but his X and Os aren't the best. He played guys like Prince and Chandler much longer than they should have been and over other guys who put in more effort like Kurucs.

The players were not putting in the effort , and we clearly seen this during the games and many of us has called out the effort of this team. Hats off to Kenny for the great job he has done here and helping payers reach their potential. He's a great develop but as far as championship pedigree, I don't think he's that guy. My only issue with it is the timing. But he seemed like he wanted out as well. It was only a matter of time, and I rather it be now then it happen after a complete meltdown in the ECF or something. I wholeheartedly trust Marks and I know he will get the best guy available. He hired Marks and for great reason, he's done a fine job.

i think kenny is a top 5 coach in this league. i thought he was elite in all the things you criticize him for.

i think talent wise (sans kyrie) this team is bottom 2-3. last year we were bottom 5 or 6. Kenny had this team playing well above its heads

I don't think Kenny is top 5 but I agree with most of what you're saying in this thread. I don't see how this could be BASKETBALL related.

Kenny's philosophies were right in line with analytics while giving players the freedom to break out of it to fit their strengths. Elite developmental coach. Top notch out of timeout plays. Rotations that made perfect sense. We were top 10 defensively with 1 or 2 good defenders in our rotations. That's incredible.

Basketball wise - his weaknesses have been end of game situations, overplaying Prince, and not playing Rodi? Is that really enough to fire a franchise staple over? Craziness.

Let me add up few more things to it. Kenny was/is way to much into analytics and that's what drove few of us crazy. It led to bad rotations and faith in few players to his fault. Great guy, good coach but ain't ready for a win it all right now moment. At the end of the day I'm cool with him moving on.

[MrDollarBills]

I think you have to go back to the press conference and reevaluate from the starting point that things weren't working for ~3 months now.

Otherwise it's just you conspiring gears in your head trying to come up with reasons why this was indeed a crazy, snap decision.

I'm not making up conspiracies. The optics look terrible and Kyrie is going to be the one getting dragged over the coals. Watch what happens tomorrow on the morning talking head shows and sports radio. Kyrie is going to end up as the fall guy for this.

[Shark]

I think you have to go back to the press conference and reevaluate from the starting point that things weren't working for ~3 months now.

Otherwise it's just you conspiring gears in your head trying to come up with reasons why this was indeed a crazy, snap decision.

I'm not making up conspiracies. The optics look terrible and Kyrie is going to be the one getting dragged over the coals. Watch what happens tomorrow on the morning talking head shows and sports radio. Kyrie is going to end up as the fall guy for this.

Yep, its already begun with that "Kyrie soured on Kenny early" report that is circulating. Firing Kenny before the season ended was a huge mistake by Marks. Don't know how he didn't consider the ramifications of this decision.

[Galou]

5. I'ma just put this on th e record now. If we sign Mark Jackson and the Knicks sign Kenny, I'm turning into a Knick fan. My RJ Barrett jersey will be in the mail before the press conferences happen.

[Paradise]

I think you have to go back to the press conference and reevaluate from the starting point that things weren't working for ~3 months now.

Otherwise it's just you conspiring gears in your head trying to come up with reasons why this was indeed a crazy, snap decision.

I'm not making up conspiracies. The optics look terrible and Kyrie is going to be the one getting dragged over the coals. Watch what happens tomorrow on the morning talking head shows and sports radio. Kyrie is going to end up as the fall guy for this.

Who cares, though? We knew at any point and time this could happen and they would STILL be blamed. That narrative is the reality of employing both of these guys at this point.

[Paradise]

I think you have to go back to the press conference and reevaluate from the starting point that things weren't working for ~3 months now.

Otherwise it's just you conspiring gears in your head trying to come up with reasons why this was indeed a crazy, snap decision.

I'm not making up conspiracies. The optics look terrible and Kyrie is going to be the one getting dragged over the coals. Watch what happens tomorrow on the morning talking head shows and sports radio. Kyrie is going to end up as the fall guy for this.

Yep, its already begun with that "Kyrie soured on Kenny early" report that is circulating. Firing Kenny before the season ended was a huge mistake by Marks. Don't know how he didn't consider the ramifications of this decision.

It wasn’t his choice. It was ownership and he did him a favor by letting him go early.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think you have to go back to the press conference and reevaluate from the starting point that things weren't working for ~3 months now.

Otherwise it's just you conspiring gears in your head trying to come up with reasons why this was indeed a crazy, snap decision.

I'm not making up conspiracies. The optics look terrible and Kyrie is going to be the one getting dragged over the coals. Watch what happens tomorrow on the morning talking head shows and sports radio. Kyrie is going to end up as the fall guy for this.

This.

And though I understand Marks can't be too honest or more revealing at the presser, he almost throws Kyrie under the bus for not being more affirmative and descriptive with the timing of the decision and that it was solely his and/or Tsai's.

Again, bad optics.