Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

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KD calls Jrue the best guard defender in the league, and that seems to be the consensus opinion among NBA players. The entire podcast was really good as well. Among the players that impressed him the most this year, KD named Devonte Graham, Zach Lavine, and Kristaps Porzingis. He said Lavine has superstar potential. The entire podcast was great, and worth a listen for Nets fans. KD and JJ have a great discussion early on about NBA defense, and the perception of it among media and general public. KD also gives the most definitive, clear answers on the whole "were you gonna sign for Knicks" questions yet.

Jrue and Lavine. the 2 most obvious choices. both elite fits. KD clearly would sign off on either.

Jrue is the perfect fit for this team.

[Paradise]

KD is going to sign off on any move that realistically brings us a shot at 4 straight runs to the Finals and 4 straight championships.

I do believe he wants to play with some guys who can breakout into number one options when he begins to decline athletically and LeVert fits that option.

That could also go for a few others in trade discussions like Beal, Giannis, etc guys who are are super long shots but are worth dealing for based on age timeline just like AD-Bron with the Lakers.

For the FO and fans, we need to just make sure these deals aren’t cap killing, pick killing or a bad judge of fit.

[Prokorov]

KD is going to sign off on any move that realistically brings us a shot at 4 straight runs to the Finals and 4 straight championships.

I do believe he wants to play with some guys who can breakout into number one options when he begins to decline athletically and LeVert fits that option.

That could also go for a few others in trade discussions like Beal, Giannis, etc guys who are are super long shots but are worth dealing for based on age timeline just like AD-Bron with the Lakers.

For the FO and fans, we need to just make sure these deals aren’t cap killing, pick killing or a bad judge of fit.

i dont think there is a more unlikely break out option than levert. at 26 he likely isnt far off his peak. and he is always injured which makes it tough to reach whatever ceiling he has. he also only produces when he is the #1 option, and that wouldnt happen with our roster moving forward.

Going for someone like lavine or gordon would fit that mold more

[MGrand15]

One thing I found interesting from KD was his take on how defense is evolving. Specifically took a shot at defenses who use extreme drop coverages and are slow to adjust - letting stars heat up + walk into jump shots. Obviously this applies to Bud and a bunch of other teams - but that's a pretty Kenny Atkinson specific complaint. We were seeing it with Jacque already but I expect our defense to be a lot more aggressive next year. Doesn't really make sense with DJ on the court but we'll see.

His talk about Jrue and Lavine was cool too. 2 potential targets for us. Jrue is a guy we can easily get if we want him. I'm iffy on him though.

[DarkXaero]

One thing I found interesting from KD was his take on how defense is evolving. Specifically took a shot at defenses who use extreme drop coverages and are slow to adjust - letting stars heat up + walk into jump shots. Obviously this applies to Bud and a bunch of other teams - but that's a pretty Kenny Atkinson specific complaint. We were seeing it with Jacque already but I expect our defense to be a lot more aggressive next year. Doesn't really make sense with DJ on the court but we'll see.

His talk about Jrue and Lavine was cool too. 2 potential targets for us. Jrue is a guy we can easily get if we want him. I'm iffy on him though.

Very true, great point about Kenny.

[Papi_swav]

As much as I love Levert and Din, I think we need Jrue here. It just makes too much sense. I wouldn't give up all of our assets, I wouldn't even give up both Levert and Din, maybe just one of them.

We need that bulldog defender. Clips have Pat Bev, Celtics have Smart, Craps have Lowry, Lakers have Rondo/Caruso. There is too many point guards, and guards in general in this league that can light up and drop 30 any and every game. We need a guy that doesn't allow that. And players in the league seem to say Jrue is the toughest defender in the NBA. That's a big praise when you have other guys out there like Smart and Pat Bev. I think it's a no brainer.

If no Jrue, then we have to get Dunn. He had some 2nd team All NBA defensive votes. Then we can get some 3&D wings.

[GTR11]

As much as I love Levert and Din, I think we need Jrue here. It just makes too much sense. I wouldn't give up all of our assets, I wouldn't even give up both Levert and Din, maybe just one of them.

We need that bulldog defender. Clips have Pat Bev, Celtics have Smart, Craps have Lowry, Lakers have Rondo/Caruso. There is too many point guards, and guards in general in this league that can light up and drop 30 any and every game. We need a guy that doesn't allow that. And players in the league seem to say Jrue is the toughest defender in the NBA. That's a big praise when you have other guys out there like Smart and Pat Bev. I think it's a no brainer.

If no Jrue, then we have to get Dunn. He had some 2nd team All NBA defensive votes. Then we can get some 3&D wings.

Every team is different, you can't just throw in names without breaking down how they compare to us . Nah but seriously, Marks build a supporting cast that clearly good enough to compete vs any team out there. Each and every team has its own weak points. Can or should we improve right now before seeing what we got? I'm not in support of that. We got teams out there that will ha e to make their decisions. I'll wait for them to come and see what can they offer first. We top deepest team in any position. Grass is not greener over there imo, we good here.
Jrue is aging player that taking minutes away from Ball and Hart. I have no idea what NOP has in their mind, but Jrue is not in their future is a sure thing. Prince, DJ and 6's first ( for DJ's contract ) is what I'm offering.

[kan_t]

KD is 31 and is going to turn 32 this month.

Irving is 28.

Jrue is 30.

I understand that people may not want Jrue because of the cost of getting him or concerning the financial impact. But to say that he's aging seems doesn't make sense to me. He actually suits the Nets win now mode timeline.

[GTR11]

KD is 31 and is going to turn 32 this month.

Irving is 28.

Jrue is 30.

I understand that people may not want Jrue because of the cost of getting him or concerning the financial impact. But to say that he's aging seems doesn't make sense to me. He actually suits the Nets win now mode timeline.

Those two one of a kind scorers, putting Jrue in a same sentence with them just because he's around same age is very shortsighted. Can he shoot like those two guys, can he score like them two etc. Also we've been in a situation where we did complete rebuild after star players left, don't want any of that. Want to have attractive role players while having prime location. Lakers proved you can do it over the time. We got competent FO and owner. They can do their for sure.

[kan_t]

KD is 31 and is going to turn 32 this month.

Irving is 28.

Jrue is 30.

I understand that people may not want Jrue because of the cost of getting him or concerning the financial impact. But to say that he's aging seems doesn't make sense to me. He actually suits the Nets win now mode timeline.

Those two one of a kind scorers, putting Jrue in a same sentence with them just because he's around same age is very shortsighted. Can he shoot like those two guys, can he score like them two etc. Also we've been in a situation where we did complete rebuild after star players left, don't want any of that. Want to have attractive role players while having prime location. Lakers proved you can do it over the time. We got competent FO and owner. They can do their for sure.

To label a player being old when he's just 30 just doesn't make sense to me. And Jrue is more than just a role player. Why people think that he's a perfect fit for the Nets is clearly not because of his shooting.

If you think that the Nets have competent FO and owner, shouldn't you not to be worried about the rebuild after the stars players left?

[GTR11]

KD is 31 and is going to turn 32 this month.

Irving is 28.

Jrue is 30.

I understand that people may not want Jrue because of the cost of getting him or concerning the financial impact. But to say that he's aging seems doesn't make sense to me. He actually suits the Nets win now mode timeline.

Those two one of a kind scorers, putting Jrue in a same sentence with them just because he's around same age is very shortsighted. Can he shoot like those two guys, can he score like them two etc. Also we've been in a situation where we did complete rebuild after star players left, don't want any of that. Want to have attractive role players while having prime location. Lakers proved you can do it over the time. We got competent FO and owner. They can do their for sure.

To label a player being old when he's just 30 just doesn't make sense to me. And Jrue is more than just a role player. Why people think that he's a perfect fit for the Nets is clearly not because of his shooting.

If you think that the Nets have competent FO and owner, shouldn't you not to be worried about the rebuild after the stars players left?

Plain and simple
1- Jrue is not better than both Din and Allen or LeVert and Allen. These guys actually will be getting better while Jrue be on steady decline.
2- Just last year Raps proved depth plays huge part. Especially if you have quality there. Din- two time runner up for 6MOY. Caris showed glimpses of all star talent. Allen is Allen, he's ok.
3- How exactly Jrue puts us above other teams? If we talking about Beal than obviously you do what you have to do. I don't see how overpaid soon to be on steady decline guy improves this team now and going forward.
4- I trust Tsai and Marks. That's why I don't see this deal going through. Not with the way our role guys been playing.
How did Jrue helped NOP make playoffs? I thought so. Guess what, LeVert and Allen made playoffs as 7 seed.

[MrDollarBills]

One thing I found interesting from KD was his take on how defense is evolving. Specifically took a shot at defenses who use extreme drop coverages and are slow to adjust - letting stars heat up + walk into jump shots. Obviously this applies to Bud and a bunch of other teams - but that's a pretty Kenny Atkinson specific complaint. We were seeing it with Jacque already but I expect our defense to be a lot more aggressive next year. Doesn't really make sense with DJ on the court but we'll see.

His talk about Jrue and Lavine was cool too. 2 potential targets for us. Jrue is a guy we can easily get if we want him. I'm iffy on him though.

We should be switching and aggressively trapping. I'm tired of the notion that the guards needs to barrel through every screen while the bigs drop back and watch NBA PGs take open jumpers from the FT line. That was Kenny's biggest flaw.

If a guy can make a contested jump shot over Jarrett Allen, more power to them. But percentages aren't in their favor. Switch on everything and contest.

[GTR11]

One thing I found interesting from KD was his take on how defense is evolving. Specifically took a shot at defenses who use extreme drop coverages and are slow to adjust - letting stars heat up + walk into jump shots. Obviously this applies to Bud and a bunch of other teams - but that's a pretty Kenny Atkinson specific complaint. We were seeing it with Jacque already but I expect our defense to be a lot more aggressive next year. Doesn't really make sense with DJ on the court but we'll see.

His talk about Jrue and Lavine was cool too. 2 potential targets for us. Jrue is a guy we can easily get if we want him. I'm iffy on him though.

We should be switching and aggressively trapping. I'm tired of the notion that the guards needs to barrel through every screen while the bigs drop back and watch NBA PGs take open jumpers from the FT line. That was Kenny's biggest flaw.

If a guy can make a contested jump shot over Jarrett Allen, more power to them. But percentages aren't in their favor. Switch on everything and contest.

Agreed 100% on improving D. What I'm really scared of is the fact Nash haven't really played for good defensive coaches. With all due respect to Nelson and D'Antoni their teams haven't really played lick of defense.
Some talking heads say we will get Handy. I'm not sure exactly what his role going to be here, but it seems like we'll keep most of Kenny's assistant stuff.

[drchaos]

I notice a lot of bad trade ideas on the trade forum with use giving LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, etc to someone else with not enough coming back.

Let's assume for a moment that we hold on to the core of our team until the trade deadline.

That means the eight following players aren't moved just yet:

KD
Kyrie
Caris
Spenser
Joe (resigned)
DeAndre
Jarett
Taurean

This leaves the following assets that can be used to fill out the rest of our roster or be used in a trade to get us more pieces.

Draft picks
Garret Temple
Wilson Chandler
Dzanan Musa
Rodions Kurucs
Nicolas Claxton
TLC
Tyler Johnson
Donta Hall
Jamal Crawford
Lance Thomas
Justin Anderson
Chris Chiozza
Jeremiah Martin

Who are the best targets we can use these assets to obtain?

[ProspectPark]

I notice a lot of bad trade ideas on the trade forum with use giving LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, etc to someone else with not enough coming back.

Let's assume for a moment that we hold on to the core of our team until the trade deadline.

That means the eight following players aren't moved just yet:

KD
Kyrie
Caris
Spenser
Joe (resigned)
DeAndre
Jarett
Taurean

This leaves the following assets that can be used to fill out the rest of our roster or be used in a trade to get us more pieces.

Draft picks
Garret Temple
Wilson Chandler
Dzanan Musa
Rodions Kurucs
Nicolas Claxton
TLC
Tyler Johnson
Donta Hall
Jamal Crawford
Lance Thomas
Justin Anderson
Chris Chiozza
Jeremiah Martin

Who are the best targets we can use these assets to obtain?

Temple $5 million (Team Option)
Rodi $2 million
Musa $2 million
TLC $2 million

I think the Temple team option contract is very valuable. For example if the Blazers want to cut some salary, we could package Temple, Rodi, Musa, and TLC for Trevor Ariza ($12.8 million).

The Blazers would then decline Temple’s option, and they would save $7 million.

It doesn’t have to be Ariza. Anyone making around his salary would work.

[TheNetsFan]

I notice a lot of bad trade ideas on the trade forum with use giving LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, etc to someone else with not enough coming back.

Let's assume for a moment that we hold on to the core of our team until the trade deadline.

That means the eight following players aren't moved just yet:

KD
Kyrie
Caris
Spenser
Joe (resigned)
DeAndre
Jarett
Taurean

This leaves the following assets that can be used to fill out the rest of our roster or be used in a trade to get us more pieces.

Draft picks
Garret Temple
Wilson Chandler
Dzanan Musa
Rodions Kurucs
Nicolas Claxton
TLC
Tyler Johnson
Donta Hall
Jamal Crawford
Lance Thomas
Justin Anderson
Chris Chiozza
Jeremiah Martin

Who are the best targets we can use these assets to obtain?

Temple $5 million (Team Option)
Rodi $2 million
Musa $2 million
TLC $2 million

I think the Temple team option contract is very valuable. For example if the Blazers want to cut some salary, we could package Temple, Rodi, Musa, and TLC for Trevor Ariza ($12.8 million).

The Blazers would then decline Temple’s option, and they would save $7 million.

It doesn’t have to be Ariza. Anyone making around his salary would work.

It doesn't work that way. We would have to pick up the team option before Temple can be traded.

[Papi_swav]

As much as I love Levert and Din, I think we need Jrue here. It just makes too much sense. I wouldn't give up all of our assets, I wouldn't even give up both Levert and Din, maybe just one of them.

We need that bulldog defender. Clips have Pat Bev, Celtics have Smart, Craps have Lowry, Lakers have Rondo/Caruso. There is too many point guards, and guards in general in this league that can light up and drop 30 any and every game. We need a guy that doesn't allow that. And players in the league seem to say Jrue is the toughest defender in the NBA. That's a big praise when you have other guys out there like Smart and Pat Bev. I think it's a no brainer.

If no Jrue, then we have to get Dunn. He had some 2nd team All NBA defensive votes. Then we can get some 3&D wings.

Every team is different, you can't just throw in names without breaking down how they compare to us . Nah but seriously, Marks build a supporting cast that clearly good enough to compete vs any team out there. Each and every team has its own weak points. Can or should we improve right now before seeing what we got? I'm not in support of that. We got teams out there that will ha e to make their decisions. I'll wait for them to come and see what can they offer first. We top deepest team in any position. Grass is not greener over there imo, we good here.
Jrue is aging player that taking minutes away from Ball and Hart. I have no idea what NOP has in their mind, but Jrue is not in their future is a sure thing. Prince, DJ and 6's first ( for DJ's contract ) is what I'm offering.

Every contending team has a great defender or defenders on the team. You can look back at every single last one of the teams that won the chips over the years, they each have some great defenders, we have none right now. In order to win , we are going to need to make some stops. We can't just outscore teams every single night, it doesn't work that way, there will be days our shots aren't falling and we don't have one guy that will step up and take the defensive lead. You say every team is different. but every team that actually wins have guys that are required to play tough defense. "Defense wins championships".

Jrue fits easily on any team. He can play point guard when Kyrie rests or sits, he can also play off ball with Kyrie there which is something Dinwiddie and Levert still has trouble doing. Most players around the league says he's the best defender in the NBA, I don't know how how you can say he's just a role player. The dude averages like 20/6 without having the ball in his hands all the time, plus he does the dirty work on defense.

I don't have a problem with starting the season with our current team but you have to admit we need some defenders. Plain and simple. If we can get the "top defender" in jrue, then we're heading the right direction.

[DarkXaero]

I notice a lot of bad trade ideas on the trade forum with use giving LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, etc to someone else with not enough coming back.

Let's assume for a moment that we hold on to the core of our team until the trade deadline.

That means the eight following players aren't moved just yet:

KD
Kyrie
Caris
Spenser
Joe (resigned)
DeAndre
Jarett
Taurean

This leaves the following assets that can be used to fill out the rest of our roster or be used in a trade to get us more pieces.

Draft picks
Garret Temple
Wilson Chandler
Dzanan Musa
Rodions Kurucs
Nicolas Claxton
TLC
Tyler Johnson
Donta Hall
Jamal Crawford
Lance Thomas
Justin Anderson
Chris Chiozza
Jeremiah Martin

Who are the best targets we can use these assets to obtain?

I wouldn't put Taurean Prince as part of those players who are retained. I think he's the most dispensable player on the entire roster due to his salary and production. Temple + small $2 mill contracts can't get us much, its not enough salary.

[ProspectPark]

I notice a lot of bad trade ideas on the trade forum with use giving LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, etc to someone else with not enough coming back.

Let's assume for a moment that we hold on to the core of our team until the trade deadline.

That means the eight following players aren't moved just yet:

KD
Kyrie
Caris
Spenser
Joe (resigned)
DeAndre
Jarett
Taurean

This leaves the following assets that can be used to fill out the rest of our roster or be used in a trade to get us more pieces.

Draft picks
Garret Temple
Wilson Chandler
Dzanan Musa
Rodions Kurucs
Nicolas Claxton
TLC
Tyler Johnson
Donta Hall
Jamal Crawford
Lance Thomas
Justin Anderson
Chris Chiozza
Jeremiah Martin

Who are the best targets we can use these assets to obtain?

Temple $5 million (Team Option)
Rodi $2 million
Musa $2 million
TLC $2 million

I think the Temple team option contract is very valuable. For example if the Blazers want to cut some salary, we could package Temple, Rodi, Musa, and TLC for Trevor Ariza ($12.8 million).

The Blazers would then decline Temple’s option, and they would save $7 million.

It doesn’t have to be Ariza. Anyone making around his salary would work.

It doesn't work that way. We would have to pick up the team option before Temple can be traded.

Damn...So that means we have a path to acquiring a $7-$13 million dollar player, but it would probably require us to attach a pick to do it.

If we can turn Temple, Musa, and Rodi into anything useful, that would be a big help.

[drchaos]

I wouldn't put Taurean Prince as part of those players who are retained. I think he's the most dispensable player on the entire roster due to his salary and production. Temple + small $2 mill contracts can't get us much, its not enough salary.

I never said Prince was not dispensable.

I just want to put the focus on the fringe players and punt on Prince until later.