The Official Rebuildation Thread

[enetric]

Lets say by some unbelievable stroke of luck or PHI's stupidity, PHI passes on Turner and the Nets draft Turner.

I would be still willing to send harris to IND for the #10 pick and Ford/Murphy.

Turner, Lee, Twill, Paterson(#10), Lopez

I think that trade is awful. AWFUL. You just wasted our cap space on lesser players than what we can go shopping for and got us a pick out of the big 6.

[enetric]

Well, supposedly we recently offered the 3rd overall and Devin for Chris Paul and were turned down...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _paul.html

That's because NO doesn't need Devin. They have Collison ready to take the PG spot over if Paul were traded.

Just a thought here...with the two bigest trade rumors of the last day and their team needs.

Paul the thinking is...only available if they can unload salary and get prospects. We can give thewm prospects but do not want to give away additional cap space to take on a contract.

Minny the thinking is...has someone in mind that they want most out of this draft. They have a lot of duplicates at positions, uncertainty as to what they should be doing, and they laso have cap space...yet they are unlikely to land anyone major to their market.

So what if they accept Rubio is screwing them and they accept a way out of that move. Save face and improve the team...get something proven?


Could there be a 3 way deal here? Where somehow they get Devin Harris Rubio ends up witht he Hornets...picks gets moved around enough to make everyone happy...Nets get Paul...Minny possibly take someone else from the Hornets that the Hornets want to move.

Something ike that? Wouldnt shock me if a 3 way deal like that is being discussed.

[Netaman]

E - that makes more sense then anything I have ever seen on these boards.

played around with the ESPN trade machine - heres what I came up with. (to keep things easier to read the guys in parenthesis are just salary fillers)

Minnesota Gets:

Devin Harris, Yi, 3rd Overall pick, 11th overall pick, (Mo Pete)
FOR
Kevin Love, Rights to Rubio, 4th Overall pick
(Ramon Sessions, Ryan Gomes, Wayne Ellington, Corey Brewer)

Total Salary in 17.4 mil - Total Salary out 14.7 Mil - Minny gets a starting PG, Yi, Wes Johnson, and an extra lottery pick for Rubio and Love. Pretty fair IMO but might need a little bit more.

New Orleans Gets:

Kevin Love, 4th overall pick, Rights to Rubio, TWill
(Gomes, Sessions, Ellington)
FOR
Mo Pete, Chris Paul, 11th overall pick

Total Salary in 14 mil - Total Salary out 19.3 mil - Save some money, get 4 very legitimate young prospects. Love, Rubio, TWill, + 4th pick = instant rebuild while saving $5 mil.

NJ Gets:

Chris Paul, Corey Brewer
FOR
Devin Harris, Yi, TWill, 3rd overall pick

Total Salary in 16.4 mil - Total Salary out 13.5 mil - Acquire Paul for the bare minimum added salary. Maintain flexibility to get Paul/Lopez/max player. Would hurt to lose TWill here but Paul is too good to pass up and Brewer would be a good 6th man as a role player.


Obviously there is a lot to digest here. As a Net fan I do this in a heartbeat because Chris Paul is a top 10 player in the league when healthy. He and Lopez alone are 40 wins. With the cap space and 2 late firsts we could easily add a 3rd star and fill in the bench. I think the value is right for both Minny and NO but I can't really tell you if they accept because I don't know about their priorities right now.

[enetric]

Since Minny and the Nets are under the cap...NO doesnt have to salary match. They can take back a lot less. Do a dump and NOT take back Sessions, etc. Just get pieces they want.

Not sure Minny would add Love in there as well.

Fun to play with though.

[Rockice_8]

I've been throwing out senarios for what feels like months now and I think I have settled on one. No we aren't landing CP3, LBJ is a long shot too, so I came up with a strategy to get a solid starting 5 and a solid bench.

Nets draft #3 (Favors)
Nets sign D.Lee to 5 years 60 mil (12 per)
Nets already traded CDR and then they buyout Dooling
Nets draft #27 (Dominique Jones)
Nets then offer Rudy Gay 5 years 70 mil (14 per) yes that is over paying a little but he's resricted so we have to. I know Mem is saying they would match but 14 per is alot. Especially if Gay says he wants to play here. Maybe we work out a S&T so they get something (#31 and the future 2nd (CDR trade)).

This leaves us with

Harris/Jones
C.Lee/T-Will/Jones
Gay/T-Will
D.Lee/Favors/Yi
Lopez/Favors/Yi

We run a 9 man rotation because we will be versatile enough and have a strong bench and depth.
We would still have Hump and could resign Dooling (vet min) or a few other vets for injury purposes. I would be happy with that team and I think with some chemistry and good coaching this could be a contending team. Yeah we are lacking the star power but we make up for it in balance and depth. This is my plan and I'm sticking to it.





This leaves us

[S.I.C. GM]

Lets say by some unbelievable stroke of luck or PHI's stupidity, PHI passes on Turner and the Nets draft Turner.

I would be still willing to send harris to IND for the #10 pick and Ford/Murphy.

Turner, Lee, Twill, Paterson(#10), Lopez

I think that trade is awful. AWFUL. You just wasted our cap space on lesser players than what we can go shopping for and got us a pick out of the big 6.

I am looking at the a bigger picture. I choose those because their salaries come off the books. I dont believe in paying any of this year's FA not named Lebron or Wade. Harris will never be a PG that will make his team better. Granted Twill isnt a PG, but I have more confidence that HE can make players on this team better then Harris. I would rather clear more cap for fire sales. As for the pick, it was a suggestion. I would rather have Henry or George but do you draft them with the 10 Pick and do draft another SG/SF.

[Jersey Generals]

This leaves us with

Harris/Jones
C.Lee/T-Will/Jones
Gay/T-Will
D.Lee/Favors/Yi
Lopez/Favors/Yi

We run a 9 man rotation because we will be versatile enough and have a strong bench and depth.
We would still have Hump and could resign Dooling (vet min) or a few other vets for injury purposes. I would be happy with that team and I think with some chemistry and good coaching this could be a contending team. Yeah we are lacking the star power but we make up for it in balance and depth. This is my plan and I'm sticking to it.

It leaves us with a totally mediocre lineup. The only way that team is a title contender is if Brook Lopez becomes a Shaq/Bill Russell hybrid and Favors becomes KG.

[vincecarter4pres]

I've been throwing out senarios for what feels like months now and I think I have settled on one. No we aren't landing CP3, LBJ is a long shot too, so I came up with a strategy to get a solid starting 5 and a solid bench.

Nets draft #3 (Favors)
Nets sign D.Lee to 5 years 60 mil (12 per)
Nets already traded CDR and then they buyout Dooling
Nets draft #27 (Dominique Jones)
Nets then offer Rudy Gay 5 years 70 mil (14 per) yes that is over paying a little but he's resricted so we have to. I know Mem is saying they would match but 14 per is alot. Especially if Gay says he wants to play here. Maybe we work out a S&T so they get something (#31 and the future 2nd (CDR trade)).

This leaves us with

Harris/Jones
C.Lee/T-Will/Jones
Gay/T-Will
D.Lee/Favors/Yi
Lopez/Favors/Yi

We run a 9 man rotation because we will be versatile enough and have a strong bench and depth.
We would still have Hump and could resign Dooling (vet min) or a few other vets for injury purposes. I would be happy with that team and I think with some chemistry and good coaching this could be a contending team. Yeah we are lacking the star power but we make up for it in balance and depth. This is my plan and I'm sticking to it.

[enetric]

Lets say by some unbelievable stroke of luck or PHI's stupidity, PHI passes on Turner and the Nets draft Turner.

I would be still willing to send harris to IND for the #10 pick and Ford/Murphy.

Turner, Lee, Twill, Paterson(#10), Lopez

I think that trade is awful. AWFUL. You just wasted our cap space on lesser players than what we can go shopping for and got us a pick out of the big 6.

I am looking at the a bigger picture. I choose those because their salaries come off the books. I dont believe in paying any of this year's FA not named Lebron or Wade. Harris will never be a PG that will make his team better. Granted Twill isnt a PG, but I have more confidence that HE can make players on this team better then Harris. I would rather clear more cap for fire sales. As for the pick, it was a suggestion. I would rather have Henry or George but do you draft them with the 10 Pick and do draft another SG/SF.

I do not see us getting JACK in next years so called free agent crop and expect Melo the biggest of all pipe dreams to be extended anyy second. So? I want the cap space to go after Lebron which I think is much more realsitic than Melo who isnt anywhere near opting out, and isnt sounding like he wants to....and having to worry about the new CBA. This is the year. All the marbles.

I dont care to give Amare, or Boozer the 16.8mil max contracts at this point in their injury riddled careers either....but I would iuf it gets us Lebron. No PG and the chance to play with Troy Murphy I dont think helps us out do you? Bosh I would give the max to. Add him to your list. And Lee I would give the max to since his max is lower than those other guys with less than 7 years of serice its in the 14 mil range. We can do that without having to clear much more space and keep Devin.

IO understand where you were going now better than i ddi before...but I just dont think we should be trying to fill holes thinking like we need expiring guys for next season kind of thing. Fill it with desireable player this summer or get bare minimum expring guys and get on with it.

[enetric]

This leaves us with

Harris/Jones
C.Lee/T-Will/Jones
Gay/T-Will
D.Lee/Favors/Yi
Lopez/Favors/Yi

We run a 9 man rotation because we will be versatile enough and have a strong bench and depth.
We would still have Hump and could resign Dooling (vet min) or a few other vets for injury purposes. I would be happy with that team and I think with some chemistry and good coaching this could be a contending team. Yeah we are lacking the star power but we make up for it in balance and depth. This is my plan and I'm sticking to it.

It leaves us with a totally mediocre lineup. The only way that team is a title contender is if Brook Lopez becomes a Shaq/Bill Russell hybrid and Favors becomes KG.

I wish people woudl stop tryingf to just spend money for the sake of it. And...enough with Rudy Gay already. Has their been a high paid....excuse me over paid RFA signing that has ever worked out as the right move looking back? I mean what in the Kenyon Martin Rashard Lewis hell are we talking about here. And both those teams actually had their superstar in place before them made hideous deals to go from deep lottery team to a shot at getting to the finals. Why talk about spending cap space to make one of those overpaid move the GO TO guy on our 12 win team? Why? To be thankful we added an over paid contract that used all our cap space so we can win 35????

We gotta stop the Rudy Gay madness. And note....I LIKE Rudy. But no way we should be discussing him. Even if he said I will sign a max offer with NJ only and Heisley promised not to match. Still wouldnt do that dane.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm so-so on Rudy Gay as a player and so-so on him as a fall back option.
I have watched him play a lot and he's hella frustrating at times.

Ever look at his advanced stats either? Eww...

[jeff1624]

I've been reading that Thorn is more obsessed with Cap Space than he is with the draft. Miami just traded the 18th pick + Dequean cook for a 2nd rounder. Is it possible we could move Dooling + the 500K of his buyout + 27th pick for a future 1st or 2nd??

That way we save the 500K and whatever the 27th pick was bound to make. We probably save up 1.5 mil.

[enetric]

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/06/nj_nets_getting_drafty_its_sti.html

Dave D has been a bit annoying lately with some of his opinions on what will happen or what should happen...but hey he is entitled to his opinioon like anyone else. At least he finally got back to actually wrting an article for what is going on IN HOUSE. When he is on his game...you can get more insight from him than others. But when he starts playing Vecsey...I think many of us start realing.

This article is basically what I have been saying since I came back...plus a few nuggets from what he is actually hearing after making a few of his own calls. I think everyone but Demens will enjoy it since well...he basically wants whatever is worst for the Nets.

I am posting this sucker in a few spots...I feel it speaks to a few different discussions we are having right now....

Nets' draft-day strategy will unfold with LeBron James in mind

They’ve got every ball in the air right now, with a singular purpose in mind, and it is only partly related to tomorrow’s draft.

Indeed, you might say the Nets are far more preoccupied with how this dovetails into free agency than the pick itself.

Here’s the directive, and it really hasn’t changed: Rod Thorn, more than anything else today, is still trying to create the second full max slot in case LeBron says, “Okay, I’m coming, and I’m bringing along so-and-so.”

That’s the ticket, and we’ll say it again: If you’re in for a penny, you’re in for a pound. The Nets would have to use $16M of the $27M they have in cap room on LBJ, and his friend isn’t necessarily going to be had for the leftover $11M.

So one day before the draft, everything is in play – a Devin Harris salary dump, a trade down the first round to save a few million, and virtually anything that will maximize their chances of bagging the grand prize a week from Thursday.

Can they pull it off? Who the hell knows? But it would basically put the Nets on a even playing field with the Knicks.

And you can’t go forward without creating the best possible scenario for LeBron if you’re one of the five teams on his list – which they are. They truly believe they have a shot at him – at virtually every free agent, actually – other than D-Wade.

* * * * *

But here’s the explosive factor, as far as the rest of the league – and maybe the Nets – is concerned: Chris Paul is back in play, no matter what George Shinn says, according to an agent and exec we talked to today.

Typically, that might lead to low-ball offers. But teams are so motivated to at least play along with that CP-LBJ scenario – because they are truly close – they’re going to dance to the Worldwide Wes tune as long as he keeps singing it.

But Shinn, we’re told, has reached the conclusion that he should consider moving CP because a) He’s beginning to realize that the sale won’t happen; and b) he’s going to take a bath next year unless he trims payroll.

* * * * *

Meanwhile, here’s one thing Rod Thorn knows:

“It would be so much easier for us if free agency was before the draft,” he said. “Then you’d have some idea what you can and cannot get. So as far as drafting goes, you have to just go for the best guy for us.”

We’re told that he’s getting offers that might be attractive in any other era – Al Jefferson for basically nothing, as long as they swap spots – but there’s no way he can do that without blowing up his cap space.

* * * *

Sometime before July 1, the Nets will announce that they’ve divested themselves of Chris Douglas-Roberts and his $845,000 team option, shipping both to Milwaukee for a future second-round pick. It wasn’t clear whether they wanted to keep him around anyway, judging by Thorn’s last word on the subject the other day:

“We have not exercised the option at this time,” he said Tuesday, “but we will make that decision next week, and I’m not really leaning either way – it depends on the draft.”

Then again, maybe it didn’t.

In other words, the Bucks did them a favor, because they weren’t particularly happy bringing back the King of Twit and letting him hang around with another impressionable group of kids.

But he still wasn’t as bad a kid as they made him out to be, and it’s a pretty safe bet that Skiles was sold on him after a discussion with L-Frank, who still loves him.

The Nets’ bankroll, meanwhile, is up to $27 million for free agency. And, perhaps, still rising.

[vincecarter4pres]

There are a lot of rumors floating around out there, I mean a lot!

Things are getting juicy!

[Jersey Generals]

^Link? I want to see some. I haven't heard anything, it's making me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry.

[vincecarter4pres]

^Link? I want to see some. I haven't heard anything, it's making me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry.

Sorry to get people souped, but most of them don't involve us.

A few I have heard, via NBATV and a few websites:

Minny offering Al Jeff/16/23 for 7th/Tay Prince/Wilcox

Denver offering KMart for Andres Biedrins

Memphis and Minnesota may have already pick swapped, speculated that it's two of their later picks for one of Minny's earlier, yet still late picks.

**BS Rumor of the Night** This one is strictly message board ridiculous speculation, but it had Houston sending out David Anderson/expiring filler and a host of unnamed picks for Elton Brand and the 2nd overall pick. I am not buying it at all and it is purely message board stuff right now, no sources at all as far as I know.

Detroit feverishly trying to move up to get Cousins, likely why they haven't accepted the Al Jeff trade, so that will probably become their fall back plan.

Dallas trying to use a $3 million TPE to absorb salary for a late 1st.

There are a few more I'm forgetting, I'll be back when I find more.

Check the Trade Board here though, as soon as links come up on some of the more obscure local websites, usually a fan of said team will post something on there.

[Jersey Generals]

Vince, you're the best. Just for that, I'm going to dedicate a song for you in the Random Thoughts Thread just for you.

[vincecarter4pres]

Vince, you're the best. Just for that, I'm going to dedicate a song for you in the Random Thoughts Thread just for you.

[SteveNets15]

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Just saw that.

[vincecarter4pres]