Should Billy King be fired?

[vincecarter4pres]

Guys I feel like an idiot for defending this guy in the past.

I liked the trades he made, but I didn't think the pick swaps were a big deal. They were the BIGGEST deals. They ruined our franchise.

We are screwed.

I basically quit the board because of how many people didn't think that the swaps were a big deal. Ran me off the board over something I found. Yes, me. I found it. All because Billy King and the Nets brass didn't want people and fans to know how truly awful the Joe Johnson deal was. And the mouthpiece that is BrooklynGame, or Devin whatever, laughed when I suggested that it was a big deal. Dude doesn't even know the CBA.


I'm taking credit for this crap.


With all that being said, things will shape up. If the Nets become sellers at the deadline (I don't think they will, I think they limp into the playoffs as the 8th seed), a competent GM can turn this around. Oh, wait...

[Jersey Generals]

^That's actually how I found out about it in the first place. A friend who worked in the YES legal department was able to see the read out that the YES had about the trade and saw the swaps listed, and then texted me, asking me about what that meant. And then, two days later, it's up on RealGM.

[MrDollarBills]

The people over King have no concept of how to run a basketball operation if they approved of the pick swaps as well.

[vincecarter4pres]

^That's actually how I found out about it in the first place. A friend who worked in the YES legal department was able to see the read out that the YES had about the trade and saw the swaps listed, and then texted me, asking me about what that meant. And then, two days later, it's up on RealGM.

So crazy man.

And to think if you didn't find it and we didn't come at beats on Twitter like crazy they would still have been hiding this in the wide open until another trade was made or draft night when Atlanta started trumpeting it.

In fact the beats like that douche Devin A) tried downplaying it, B) tried to say it wasn't so and C) then tried taking friggin' credit for it.

Net Income confirmed it rather quickly after NIN and myself hit up a couple guys we had in the know and then brought it to Net Income's attention.

You still have to wonder who else even knew about it before your friend got wind of it.

Where does Bobby Marks play a role in this? Or Dimitry or whatever his name is?

How Ferry didn't get Executive of the Year is absolutely stunning.

To be completely honest and I say this with as little bias as possible and with no hyperbole intended, Portland's GM, Ferry and then Ainge should all have/should this year, get Executive of the Year.

[Jersey Generals]

Don't want to get into too much detail right now, I will later though, but how Devin still has a reputation is beyond me. The hubris that he showed that night, unbelievable. I should have his job.

A lot of it was Bobby Marks, we both know it. But...I think Yormark played the biggest part. He may not know basketball, but underhanded ways is his strategy.

[Keith Van Horn]

Fire King and see if Phil wants to try his hand at being a GM?


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[N Ireland Nets]

Fire King and see if Phil wants to try his hand at being a GM?


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With that logic he would fit right in with our rookie head coach with zero coaching experience.

Just because flight attendants have worked on an aircraft all their careers, doesn't mean they can fly a plane.

[N Ireland Nets]

The people over King have no concept of how to run a basketball operation if they approved of the pick swaps as well.

The structure is basically Billy King decides and lines up a trade or free agent signing, he rubber stamps it and passes it on to ownership, his name is Dmitry Razumov.

Proky pays all the bills & signs the checks but due to the many businesses he owns he places people in charge to look after the Nets and give it their full attention. Dmitry Razumov is that guy.

At no point has ownership turned King down in regards a trade, free agent signing or anything to help the team win at basketball.

Razumov is the guy to blame for Kidd. He convinced King and then Proky it was a good idea to push ahead with hiring Kidd.

So King needs to go because he was given a blank cheque book and carte Blanche to do what he pleased to create a contender and failed.

Razumov needs to be moved to a different business by Proky due to the Kidd hire.

Don't want to get into too much detail right now, I will later though, but how Devin still has a reputation is beyond me. The hubris that he showed that night, unbelievable. I should have his job.

A lot of it was Bobby Marks, we both know it. But...I think Yormark played the biggest part. He may not know basketball, but underhanded ways is his strategy.

Devin is a brat.

When I approached him on twitter to confirm it, as well as Net Income and other personal sources, Devin was the only one to act the twat, dismiss me and did it all while being condescending.

He told me point blank, I was wrong because he saw the official trade release and it wasn't mentioned, when I pointed out anyone can get the official trade release and that his point was irrelevant, he again was condescending and a twat.

The guys a complete tool. Look at how he uses TheBrooklynGame twitter account to basically retweet everything he says to gain followers and notoriety. More worried about self promotion than actually analysis and reporting.

[N Ireland Nets]

To be completely honest and I say this with as little bias as possible and with no hyperbole intended, Portland's GM, Ferry and then Ainge should all have/should this year, get Executive of the Year.

Hands down, Ferry should be GM of the year. He is likely to have ATL as the 3rd best team in the East with a high lotto pick in a superstar draft which he was able to get due to the single best salary dump trade in history.

Expiring contracts, a 1st round pick, 2 2nd round picks AND potentially two lottery firsts, using the pick swaps to move from mid to late 1st round picks to top 5 picks.

The greatest salary dump trade ever!!

[Prokorov]

JG put it best. a competant GM would be able to make huge headway at turning this mess around at the deadline.

Get something for pierce's expiring
Get something for terry/mirza
After you move pierce you convince KG to waive his no trade and move him as an expiring
You field offers for dwill and brook and move on them if you get anything decent

you start recouping some of those picks and moving some of that salary. Have JJ be the focus and let him hero chuck his way to 26ppg in an attempt to make him look attractive once he has just 2 years left on his deal.

King is just gonna keep all these guys around and then shop bogs/mirza/terry/pierce for someone elses horrible contract bum player

[N Ireland Nets]

JG put it best. a competant GM would be able to make huge headway at turning this mess around at the deadline.

Get something for pierce's expiring
Get something for terry/mirza
After you move pierce you convince KG to waive his no trade and move him as an expiring
You field offers for dwill and brook and move on them if you get anything decent

you start recouping some of those picks and moving some of that salary. Have JJ be the focus and let him hero chuck his way to 26ppg in an attempt to make him look attractive once he has just 2 years left on his deal.

King is just gonna keep all these guys around and then shop bogs/mirza/terry/pierce for someone elses horrible contract bum player

No, imo if King sticks around he would end up doing exactly what you listed as wanting to happen.

Which would make our team worse than the 12-70 Nets which giving Atlanta back to back top 5 lotto picks followed by the celtics getting lotto picks off of us for the foreseeable future.

Trade Lopez now and you'll get nothing of note, he has no value and huge red flags right now.

D Will has value but once we go into sell mode and teams smell blood in the water with King we'd be getting lowball offers and nothing else.

Same for any other trade

[Prokorov]

JG put it best. a competant GM would be able to make huge headway at turning this mess around at the deadline.

Get something for pierce's expiring
Get something for terry/mirza
After you move pierce you convince KG to waive his no trade and move him as an expiring
You field offers for dwill and brook and move on them if you get anything decent

you start recouping some of those picks and moving some of that salary. Have JJ be the focus and let him hero chuck his way to 26ppg in an attempt to make him look attractive once he has just 2 years left on his deal.

King is just gonna keep all these guys around and then shop bogs/mirza/terry/pierce for someone elses horrible contract bum player

No, imo if King sticks around he would end up doing exactly what you listed as wanting to happen.

Which would make our team worse than the 12-70 Nets which giving Atlanta back to back top 5 lotto picks followed by the celtics getting lotto picks off of us for the foreseeable future.

Trade Lopez now and you'll get nothing of note, he has no value and huge red flags right now.

D Will has value but once we go into sell mode and teams smell blood in the water with King we'd be getting lowball offers and nothing else.

Same for any other trade

again, it is irrelevant what the celtics or hawks get. we need to do what is best for our roster. trying to remain an 8 seed for 2 years by adding guys with contracts 2-3 years long and letting dwills value plumet doesnt make alot of sense.

move pierce now, he is an expiring. if not we get nada for him. at least get a pick or something. with brook, sure if you cant shed him now then wait it out. but dwill, he has to go and he has to go soon. no one is giving anything for a washed up 30 year old with bad ankles and a cancerous attitude who always underachieves 2 years from now.

i can see value in keeping blatche/mirza/bogs. those guys are young/cheap/talented. everyone else we need to move. Who cares if the hawks get lotto picks? they likely are gonna get them anyhow. we need to clear close to 100% of our cap for 2016. thats the only way we are turning this thing around in less then 5-6 years. we need to hit on durant and a couple other free agents. building around dwill and young guys aint gonna work. its clear this team isnt winning built around him

[N Ireland Nets]

JG put it best. a competant GM would be able to make huge headway at turning this mess around at the deadline.

Get something for pierce's expiring
Get something for terry/mirza
After you move pierce you convince KG to waive his no trade and move him as an expiring
You field offers for dwill and brook and move on them if you get anything decent

you start recouping some of those picks and moving some of that salary. Have JJ be the focus and let him hero chuck his way to 26ppg in an attempt to make him look attractive once he has just 2 years left on his deal.

King is just gonna keep all these guys around and then shop bogs/mirza/terry/pierce for someone elses horrible contract bum player

No, imo if King sticks around he would end up doing exactly what you listed as wanting to happen.

Which would make our team worse than the 12-70 Nets which giving Atlanta back to back top 5 lotto picks followed by the celtics getting lotto picks off of us for the foreseeable future.

Trade Lopez now and you'll get nothing of note, he has no value and huge red flags right now.

D Will has value but once we go into sell mode and teams smell blood in the water with King we'd be getting lowball offers and nothing else.

Same for any other trade

again, it is irrelevant what the celtics or hawks get. we need to do what is best for our roster. trying to remain an 8 seed for 2 years by adding guys with contracts 2-3 years long and letting dwills value plumet doesnt make alot of sense.

move pierce now, he is an expiring. if not we get nada for him. at least get a pick or something. with brook, sure if you cant shed him now then wait it out. but dwill, he has to go and he has to go soon. no one is giving anything for a washed up 30 year old with bad ankles and a cancerous attitude who always underachieves 2 years from now.

i can see value in keeping blatche/mirza/bogs. those guys are young/cheap/talented. everyone else we need to move. Who cares if the hawks get lotto picks? they likely are gonna get them anyhow. we need to clear close to 100% of our cap for 2016. thats the only way we are turning this thing around in less then 5-6 years. we need to hit on durant and a couple other free agents. building around dwill and young guys aint gonna work. its clear this team isnt winning built around him

Disagree entirely.

If we remain an 8th seed until our cap clears in 2016 I would be fine with that because it means Atlanta and Boston could only possibly get mid 1st round picks.

In spite of what you might think, giving high draft picks while we "rebuild" is exactly what we have to avoid. That is the worst case scenario possible.

[Hello Brooklyn]

JG put it best. a competant GM would be able to make huge headway at turning this mess around at the deadline.

Get something for pierce's expiring
Get something for terry/mirza
After you move pierce you convince KG to waive his no trade and move him as an expiring
You field offers for dwill and brook and move on them if you get anything decent

you start recouping some of those picks and moving some of that salary. Have JJ be the focus and let him hero chuck his way to 26ppg in an attempt to make him look attractive once he has just 2 years left on his deal.

King is just gonna keep all these guys around and then shop bogs/mirza/terry/pierce for someone elses horrible contract bum player

What a terrible plan.

Nobody wants Pierce's expiring. We would literally be dumping him for nothing. There is no point.

Nobody wants Terry. What are we going to get for Mirza? A second round pick. Would rather keep him anyway.

KG is not gonna wanna be moved like that.

You plan is literally terrible. We cannot recoup picks because we have no assets which would bring back picks outside of Deron and maybe Lopez. Trading Deron to Houston for a late first rounder will literally do nothing for us.


And LMAO at you thinking anybody wants that albatross of a contract, Joe Johnson has. Nobody is going to trade for him to chuck at 22 million per year. That contract is immovable.

All it will do is ensure we are even more terrible than before. And ensure that Boston/Atlanta get higher picks.

There is no quick fix or easy way out of this. We dug our own grave. All we can do is try to contend for the next few years.

We literally have nothing of value to trade anymore. Not even any big expiring contracts. And I don't see any real way to improve.

Fire King, fire Kidd, hire George Karl or Lionel Hollins as your coach. The find an experienced GM to take over the team.

Try to salvage the season by making the playoffs. Try to upgrade the bench this off season. And see if Lopez coming back, plus a better system can take you anywhere next year. Thats the only option I see.

[vincecarter4pres]

JG put it best. a competant GM would be able to make huge headway at turning this mess around at the deadline.

Get something for pierce's expiring
Get something for terry/mirza
After you move pierce you convince KG to waive his no trade and move him as an expiring
You field offers for dwill and brook and move on them if you get anything decent

you start recouping some of those picks and moving some of that salary. Have JJ be the focus and let him hero chuck his way to 26ppg in an attempt to make him look attractive once he has just 2 years left on his deal.

King is just gonna keep all these guys around and then shop bogs/mirza/terry/pierce for someone elses horrible contract bum player

What a terrible plan.

Nobody wants Pierce's expiring. We would literally be dumping him for nothing. There is no point.

Nobody wants Terry. What are we going to get for Mirza? A second round pick. Would rather keep him anyway.

KG is not gonna wanna be moved like that.

You plan is literally terrible. We cannot recoup picks because we have no assets which would bring back picks outside of Deron and maybe Lopez. Trading Deron to Houston for a late first rounder will literally do nothing for us.


And LMAO at you thinking anybody wants that albatross of a contract, Joe Johnson has. Nobody is going to trade for him to chuck at 22 million per year. That contract is immovable.

All it will do is ensure we are even more terrible than before. And ensure that Boston/Atlanta get higher picks.

There is no quick fix or easy way out of this. We dug our own grave. All we can do is try to contend for the next few years.

We literally have nothing of value to trade anymore. Not even any big expiring contracts. And I don't see any real way to improve.

Fire King, fire Kidd, hire George Karl or Lionel Hollins as your coach. The find an experienced GM to take over the team.

Try to salvage the season by making the playoffs. Try to upgrade the bench this off season. And see if Lopez coming back, plus a better system can take you anywhere next year. Thats the only option I see.

I often disagree with you, but this is reality to a T.

There just is no way to actually blow this up.

Although I could see Pierce's expiring or even KG dealt for a different player/piece, but with the goal still being to make the playoffs, because A) you're not getting value for either in the form of cheap young talent or draft picks and, B) with all the pick swaps we're going down with the ship.

[Prokorov]

I often disagree with you, but this is reality to a T.

There just is no way to actually blow this up.

Although I could see Pierce's expiring or even KG dealt for a different player/piece, but with the goal still being to make the playoffs, because A) you're not getting value for either in the form of cheap young talent or draft picks and, B) with all the pick swaps we're going down with the ship.

i can see someone dumping a rudy gay/zack randolf type on us with a late protected pick for pierces expiring. someone that has a year or two longer the pierce left on their deal. And i can see some 3-6 seed giving a late protected first or b level young chip for garnett if they think he can be the player that puts them into contention or home court.

im not saying we get a ton. but if we could get 1-2 picks for those two i would do it.

[M I K E]

Billy King is just a patsy IMO. He was given a directive and carried it out the best he could.

The big problem was every major move was made without a safety net. That includes the original Wallace trade, the JJ trade, the Kidd hiring and the KG / Pierce trade. The Nets assumed every move they made would be a "winner" and didn't see that this could all fall apart so easily..."Bad Luck" also caught up with us with Lopez, AK and Deron missing so many games.

I have no idea what we should do now.

[vincecarter4pres]

Billy King is just a patsy IMO. He was given a directive and carried it out the best he could.

The big problem was every major move was made without a safety net. That includes the original Wallace trade, the JJ trade, the Kidd hiring and the KG / Pierce trade. The Nets assumed every move they made would be a "winner" and didn't see that this could all fall apart so easily..."Bad Luck" also caught up with us with Lopez, AK and Deron missing so many games.

I have no idea what we should do now.

So all the trades were poorly thought out, heavy overpays and unnecessarily risky, all these trades executed by one said Billy King and yet he is just a patsy?

Oh boy Mike...

[Prokorov]

we have to blow it up... even if it means being bad for a few years without getting lottery picks for being bad.

we need to clear as much cap as possible for 2015/2016. get any picks we can, even protected/2nd rounders. let guys expire or deal those expirings for picks.

our ONLY shot at turning this around inside 5 years is to clear cap and nail 1 or 2 big fish free agents. there is simply no other alternative that improves us prior to 2018

[Jersey Generals]

Personally, I'd go the treadmill route. You do nothing except small things, like if you can trade Reggie Evans for a second round pick, you do it; if you can get a first rounder for one of the expirings, you do that; you do all of that in an attempt to secure a playoff berth every season between now and 2016, where you have max cap space to improve the team. Instead of using the money to pay expensive taxes, you use it to invest in the scouting department so you can strike gold in the mid-to-late first rounder that the NEts have, and any additional second rounders the team is able to buy/secure through trade. What this does is it turns a profit for Prok, it keeps the fan support good enough to say "okay, at least they're in the playoffs", but it also shows the players around the league that the Nets aren't just losers, that you can win if you come here. It's an illusion based on smoke and mirrors, but it's better than risking anything else by trying to trade for another good player or by blowing it up without the necessary picks to help.