Official Caris LeVert Thread

[Kaiser30]

Paradise's point is that LeVert was projected to be a second round pick not because of his level of talent but his injuries. Probably his senior status as well.

You can make a difference between a second round talent and a player who was picked in the second round. Players can have first round talent but still fall to the second round because of red flags. It's questionable whether it was necessary to pick him at 20 instead of 35-40. But there is no question that he can produce at the level of a 20th pick or even a lottery pick if healthy.

I have high hopes for LeVert, he brings a lot to the table that you want a wing player to do: Outside shooting, defense, length. But not particularly for this season, they might bring him in slowly.

[Prokorov]

Paradise's point is that LeVert was projected to be a second round pick not because of his level of talent but his injuries. Probably his senior status as well.

You can make a difference between a second round talent and a player who was picked in the second round. Players can have first round talent but still fall to the second round because of red flags. It's questionable whether it was necessary to pick him at 20 instead of 35-40. But there is no question that he can produce at the level of a 20th pick or even a lottery pick if healthy.

I have high hopes for LeVert, he brings a lot to the table that you want a wing player to do: Outside shooting, defense, length. But not particularly for this season, they might bring him in slowly.

i dont think anyone is saying he doesnt have top 20 pick talent. i think the notion is as you mentioned you could have drafted someone else at 20 and still gotten levert in the mid second round.

[Ror1997]

Did you guys ever stop to think that Marks knew LeVert wasn't going to make it to the second round?

[NyCeEvO]

Paradise's point is that LeVert was projected to be a second round pick not because of his level of talent but his injuries. Probably his senior status as well.

You can make a difference between a second round talent and a player who was picked in the second round. Players can have first round talent but still fall to the second round because of red flags. It's questionable whether it was necessary to pick him at 20 instead of 35-40. But there is no question that he can produce at the level of a 20th pick or even a lottery pick if healthy.

I have high hopes for LeVert, he brings a lot to the table that you want a wing player to do: Outside shooting, defense, length. But not particularly for this season, they might bring him in slowly.

i dont think anyone is saying he doesnt have top 20 pick talent.

But that's literally what NS posted and what Paradise appropriately responded to.

[Prokorov]

Paradise's point is that LeVert was projected to be a second round pick not because of his level of talent but his injuries. Probably his senior status as well.

You can make a difference between a second round talent and a player who was picked in the second round. Players can have first round talent but still fall to the second round because of red flags. It's questionable whether it was necessary to pick him at 20 instead of 35-40. But there is no question that he can produce at the level of a 20th pick or even a lottery pick if healthy.

I have high hopes for LeVert, he brings a lot to the table that you want a wing player to do: Outside shooting, defense, length. But not particularly for this season, they might bring him in slowly.

i dont think anyone is saying he doesnt have top 20 pick talent.

But that's literally what NS posted and what Paradise appropriately responded to.

i think NS is pissed we used the 20 pick on him.... i think he is just overeacting and calling him a scrub

[Paradise]

There was a TON of mid-1st round talent that went into the second round and we still don't know why.

Examples: Daytona Davis, Demetrius Jackson, Skal Lebbesire, Stephen Zimmerman, etc.

The talent and long term potential is where GMs look into. Injuries are mildly considered. Character and talent level - long term potential are what is looked at in the war rooms. LeVert, TLC, Bembry are the three that must've stood out in the draft rooms.


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[enko]

Rarely I will post to praise a draftee. I post a while a go in Bucks forum that this Brogdon has potential to be really good. And so far he is showing that promise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5jgfDPA8DU

Now I think that Levert has more upside.

[Net Sentence]

Paradise's point is that LeVert was projected to be a second round pick not because of his level of talent but his injuries. Probably his senior status as well.

You can make a difference between a second round talent and a player who was picked in the second round. Players can have first round talent but still fall to the second round because of red flags. It's questionable whether it was necessary to pick him at 20 instead of 35-40. But there is no question that he can produce at the level of a 20th pick or even a lottery pick if healthy.

I have high hopes for LeVert, he brings a lot to the table that you want a wing player to do: Outside shooting, defense, length. But not particularly for this season, they might bring him in slowly.

i dont think anyone is saying he doesnt have top 20 pick talent.

But that's literally what NS posted and what Paradise appropriately responded to.

I think LeVert is a dime a dozen talent. Nothing stands out about him to me. I dont see explosive athleticism. I dont see lights out shooting. I see a lot of ball stopping when he gets the ball. I see a huge injury red flag we dont need. You keep tempting fate with lower leg injuries and they will bite you in the azz. The juice isnt worth the squeeze with LeVert.

[Prokorov]

i dont think anyone is saying he doesnt have top 20 pick talent.

But that's literally what NS posted and what Paradise appropriately responded to.

I think LeVert is a dime a dozen talent. Nothing stands out about him to me. I dont see explosive athleticism. I dont see lights out shooting. I see a lot of ball stopping when he gets the ball. I see a huge injury red flag we dont need. You keep tempting fate with lower leg injuries and they will bite you in the azz. The juice isnt worth the squeeze with LeVert.

i think you are understating his talents. offensively he is super polished. outstanding ball handler. great first step. elite bbiq.

[jbeachboy]

i dont think anyone is saying he doesnt have top 20 pick talent.

But that's literally what NS posted and what Paradise appropriately responded to.

I think LeVert is a dime a dozen talent. Nothing stands out about him to me. I dont see explosive athleticism. I dont see lights out shooting. I see a lot of ball stopping when he gets the ball. I see a huge injury red flag we dont need. You keep tempting fate with lower leg injuries and they will bite you in the azz. The juice isnt worth the squeeze with LeVert.

ball stopping? he is one of the best passers on that michigan team

[Net Sentence]

But that's literally what NS posted and what Paradise appropriately responded to.

I think LeVert is a dime a dozen talent. Nothing stands out about him to me. I dont see explosive athleticism. I dont see lights out shooting. I see a lot of ball stopping when he gets the ball. I see a huge injury red flag we dont need. You keep tempting fate with lower leg injuries and they will bite you in the azz. The juice isnt worth the squeeze with LeVert.

ball stopping? he is one of the best passers on that michigan team

Watch him play. He is an ISO wing. It doesnt mean he cant pass but he is a ball stopper. I stand by the Marshon comparison. Marshon was a good passer also. He just took a long time to decide what he wanted to do. LeVert likes to play out of the triple threat and probe with head fakes and jab steps. Count how long it takes him to get into what he wants to do once he catches the ball. It's usually 2-3 seconds. 2-3 seconds allows the defense to recover if you are moving the ball.

[Netaman]

If LeVert doesn't have talent, what possible motivation would Vegas have for giving him the 15th best odds at ROY? Looking back, he has much better odds than CM or RHJ, who were both 50:1 after the draft in June last year (and each only went up from there over 100:1 by August). Obviously all 3 are very different style players, but if he's on a similar level as those 2 in terms of overall talent/potential then it was a very good pick.

[jbeachboy]

I think LeVert is a dime a dozen talent. Nothing stands out about him to me. I dont see explosive athleticism. I dont see lights out shooting. I see a lot of ball stopping when he gets the ball. I see a huge injury red flag we dont need. You keep tempting fate with lower leg injuries and they will bite you in the azz. The juice isnt worth the squeeze with LeVert.

ball stopping? he is one of the best passers on that michigan team

Watch him play. He is an ISO wing. It doesnt mean he cant pass but he is a ball stopper. I stand by the Marshon comparison. Marshon was a good passer also. He just took a long time to decide what he wanted to do. LeVert likes to play out of the triple threat and probe with head fakes and jab steps. Count how long it takes him to get into what he wants to do once he catches the ball. It's usually 2-3 seconds. 2-3 seconds allows the defense to recover if you are moving the ball.

hopefully atkinson can help him make his moves faster and quicker without . levert wont be able to get away with those moves in college so i expect to see how levert does during training camp and regular season. they may send him to d league right away if there arent the minutes there with guys ahead of him.

[Net Sentence]

If LeVert doesn't have talent, what possible motivation would Vegas have for giving him the 15th best odds at ROY? Looking back, he has much better odds than CM or RHJ, who were both 50:1 after the draft in June last year (and each only went up from there over 100:1 by August). Obviously all 3 are very different style players, but if he's on a similar level as those 2 in terms of overall talent/potential then it was a very good pick.

Are you serious? 15th best. He's obviously a favorite.

It has to do with LeVert's age and opportunity. The Nets are going to suck and someone is going to get to put up empty numbers.

Michael Carter Williams won ROY by playing on an awful Philly team. It doesnt make him a good player. Nor will LeVert be considered good if he puts up 15-18 PPG on a 15 win team.

As far as RHJ and CMC. RHJ isnt a scorer so he had no chance to win ROY. McCullough was expected to miss most of the season.

[Net Sentence]

I would like LeVert alot more if he can in fact play PG. He has a 7-foot wingspan and decent feet for a 6' 7" guy so if he can defend the point then he would be a real asset. Between him and RHJ at SG, we would make life real tough for opposing backcourts.

His lack of athleticism isnt a big issue offensively if he is playing PG either. His size will allow him to shoot over most PGs easily. He also would be able to make the post entry passes above a smaller player which could be very advantageous to Brook. LeVert is also a very good PnR ballhandler. So a PnR involving Lopez and LeVert would put the opposing defense in a predicament.

LeVert as a wing doesnt do anything for me. Most NBA wings are going to be better athletes than LeVert. He has a thin frame so he wont have the size advantage at wing that he would at PG. He wasnt a good finisher in College as it is and played poorly vs the better competition. He only shot 43.6% on 2pts vs teams with .500 records. He doesnt finish at the rim, instead using an array of floaters or step back jumpers. Those arent good shots.

[Netaman]

What exactly did you expect with the 20th pick? I understand thinking that we could (or should) have gotten more for Thad, but that's a separate discussion from whether or not LeVert was a good or bad pick vs. another player.

[Net Sentence]

What exactly did you expect with the 20th pick? I understand thinking that we could (or should) have gotten more for Thad, but that's a separate discussion from whether or not LeVert was a good or bad pick vs. another player.

You cant seperate the 2. If we got the pick any other way the bar would be set much lower. That's not what happened though. We traded our 2nd best player for him. That makes the expectations much higher. It might not be fair but such is the nature of trades. You are either the winner or the loser. Right now it looks like Marks made a colossally bad trade.

[Netaman]

What exactly did you expect with the 20th pick? I understand thinking that we could (or should) have gotten more for Thad, but that's a separate discussion from whether or not LeVert was a good or bad pick vs. another player.

You cant seperate the 2. If we got the pick any other way the bar would be set much lower. That's not what happened though. We traded our 2nd best player for him. That makes the expectations much higher. It might not be fair but such is the nature of trades. You are either the winner or the loser. Right now it looks like Marks made a colossally bad trade.

You can absolutely separate the 2 - especially since this is a thread where most of the discussion is specifically evaluating Caris Levert. They very well could have lost that trade but acting like Thad Young is a big enough deal that he'll always be judged as "the guy they traded Thad Young for" is ridiculous. Plus they made the deal before the draft started - they didn't know exactly who would be on the board at the time. If LeVert ends up being being a positive contributor it was a good pick. That won't necessarily mean it was a good trade, that's a separate issue.

[ChokeFasncists]

I would like LeVert alot more if he can in fact play PG. He has a 7-foot wingspan and decent feet for a 6' 7" guy so if he can defend the point then he would be a real asset. Between him and RHJ at SG, we would make life real tough for opposing backcourts.

His lack of athleticism isnt a big issue offensively if he is playing PG either. His size will allow him to shoot over most PGs easily. He also would be able to make the post entry passes above a smaller player which could be very advantageous to Brook. LeVert is also a very good PnR ballhandler. So a PnR involving Lopez and LeVert would put the opposing defense in a predicament.

LeVert as a wing doesnt do anything for me. Most NBA wings are going to be better athletes than LeVert. He has a thin frame so he wont have the size advantage at wing that he would at PG. He wasnt a good finisher in College as it is and played poorly vs the better competition. He only shot 43.6% on 2pts vs teams with .500 records. He doesnt finish at the rim, instead using an array of floaters or step back jumpers. Those arent good shots.

Nice post. It'd be nice if he can play PG but I'm not banking on it. I think ultimately his most important x factor would be his defense. If he turns out to be a very good defender, he'd be a 3&D wing who can pass. He'll flourish. If his defense is only average, it'd be high risk.

[Prokorov]

I would like LeVert alot more if he can in fact play PG. He has a 7-foot wingspan and decent feet for a 6' 7" guy so if he can defend the point then he would be a real asset. Between him and RHJ at SG, we would make life real tough for opposing backcourts. .

i think he can play point gaurd. or kind of turn into a more athletic evan turner type.