If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[MrDollarBills]

Personally, I don’t see him caving, but I also thought the Yanks would get a W tonight, so what the he|| do I know?

I took the Red Sox on the money line because I'm not sure how anyone could have watched the Yankees all season long and thought that they would win tonight especially with Gerrit Cole starting. Cole has been atrocious. Easiest money i've made all year.

[harlem_ball]

i would rather 0 games of kyrie then 82 of simmons. simmons is dog trash.

and KD doesnt need to "get through" to kyrie. This is exactly why he teamed up with Kyrie and they are so tight. player empowerment. not slaves.

Nah, Simmons is ok. He may be a good fit in BK... maybe.

[Prokorov]

I find it hard to believe trade talks ever got close to the point where Kyrie would threaten retirement.

If you've read Cant Knock The Hustle, one of the standout things about the Nets organization is that they've been incredibly patient and trusting with Kyrie. He would go radio silent on them and they were OK with waiting it out. When he had his shoulder issues his first year, he went shopping around for holistic alternate medicine type doctors - they trusted he would eventually get the surgery from the doctor the Nets recommended. So I doubt they ever picked up the phone and discussed trades. They most likely trusted getting together with the team would make him change his mind.

At this point though, he's threatening to miss 41 games, every single home practice, half the playoffs. That's not sustainable - especially not for a championship team. I think his future here completely depends on KD + Harden. Once they get upset about this situation - and they will - I wouldn't be shocked if we move on quickly. Whether he decides to retire or we move him for a couple of solid players - IDK.

KD will never "get upset about the situation". He would do the same thing if he didnt want to get the vaccine. and being empowered to make his own choices is what KD is all about. its not like he is just now finding out that this is who Kyrie is. He is Kyrie's #1 supporter. and its not just KD its all the nets and the majority of the NBA. Kyrie takes all the punches so others dont have to.

[Prokorov]

i would rather 0 games of kyrie then 82 of simmons. simmons is dog trash.

and KD doesnt need to "get through" to kyrie. This is exactly why he teamed up with Kyrie and they are so tight. player empowerment. not slaves.

Nah, Simmons is ok. He may be a good fit in BK... maybe.

Awful fit. allows teams to double team KD for 48 minutes. he is the opposite of what the nets need.

[therealbig3]

As a medical professional, I am biased. I can’t get behind 99% of the reasons people use to not get vaccinated, because I mainly go by the science and the numbers.

I find it kind of crazy how much of a spin job the Kyrie apologists are pulling here (Prokorov mainly). There’s really no good reason for Kyrie not to get it.

And as much as Prokorov wants to act otherwise, Kyrie does have a responsibility to show up to work and be available, that’s why he’s getting paid. Nets should be able to void his contract if he’s not going to be available for work because of a conscious decision to be a health risk to everyone around him.

There are many medical professionals refusing the vaccine. Roughly falls in line with stats of the general population. These were the people on the front lines saving lives when little was known about the disease. A time when it was assumed to be much worse than it is. Brave people who put their lives on the line to help others. Now they are being discarded and told they can't work. Most of them have natural immunity. It's politics, profits, and propaganda pushing the agenda in America.

I mean, I don't think I'm all that special, but I am one of those front line workers, and the vast majority of us got the vaccine. Yes, there are some healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine, and that's their personal decision, but it's actually really hard to debate the numbers on this one. The vaccines ARE effective, and they do reduce the incidence of severe COVID and the risk of death from COVID.

I mean there's a reason the healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine get a side-eye from everyone else within the field...they should know better. We all saw firsthand how many people died from COVID, how many people still have long-lasting effects from COVID, and how many of our own colleagues suffered from COVID and had to miss work. And we've all seen first hand the effectiveness of the vaccine and how much it's helped things. IDK, from a logical standpoint, there's not a whole lot to be debated here honestly. It's like arguing 2+2 isn't 4. There are times where there's no room for opinion, because there is a right answer and being on the opposite side of it is just being wrong.

I mean, please give me some actual compelling arguments against getting the vaccine, and I'll be totally cool with that. Like, one of my colleagues got the COVID vaccine and it triggered full blown multiple sclerosis, because her immune system went haywire. Sure, that's a super valid argument against the vaccine...in her specific case. Clearly she's that one freak case out of the millions. If Kyrie is in that same boat, with the same logic, sure.

But what I've heard so far is a whole lot of nonsense that the far right typically gets (rightfully) destroyed for. Kyrie should be under that same scrutiny. We already know that his actual understanding of science is shockingly bad. This is just more proof as far as I'm concerned.

[MrDollarBills]

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I'll support Marks and Tsai if they'll suspend Kyrie until vaccinated. He clearly going to hurt this team with all the chaos that he brings. Politicians like Cancun Cruz will take that to another level. Keep that flat earther away until he gets his crap right.

Agreed. If he can't practice, he shouldn't play. Tell him to stay away from the team.

He's the only one unvaccinated and had the audacity to call himself a leader. KD needs to wake up.

He is a leader and the ultimate team player. .

No he is not. Stop it.

And on some real sh*t bro...stop invoking race into this discussion. This is not a racial issue. You keep infantilizing Kyrie and using the fact that he's Black as some kind of free pass for him to act irresponsibly. No. it doesn't work like that. It's honestly pissing me off.

[MrDollarBills]

As a medical professional, I am biased. I can’t get behind 99% of the reasons people use to not get vaccinated, because I mainly go by the science and the numbers.

I find it kind of crazy how much of a spin job the Kyrie apologists are pulling here (Prokorov mainly). There’s really no good reason for Kyrie not to get it.

And as much as Prokorov wants to act otherwise, Kyrie does have a responsibility to show up to work and be available, that’s why he’s getting paid. Nets should be able to void his contract if he’s not going to be available for work because of a conscious decision to be a health risk to everyone around him.

There are many medical professionals refusing the vaccine. Roughly falls in line with stats of the general population. These were the people on the front lines saving lives when little was known about the disease. A time when it was assumed to be much worse than it is. Brave people who put their lives on the line to help others. Now they are being discarded and told they can't work. Most of them have natural immunity. It's politics, profits, and propaganda pushing the agenda in America.

I mean, I don't think I'm all that special, but I am one of those front line workers, and the vast majority of us got the vaccine. Yes, there are some healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine, and that's their personal decision, but it's actually really hard to debate the numbers on this one. The vaccines ARE effective, and they do reduce the incidence of severe COVID and the risk of death from COVID.

I mean there's a reason the healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine get a side-eye from everyone else within the field...they should know better. We all saw firsthand how many people died from COVID, how many people still have long-lasting effects from COVID, and how many of our own colleagues suffered from COVID and had to miss work. And we've all seen first hand the effectiveness of the vaccine and how much it's helped things. IDK, from a logical standpoint, there's not a whole lot to be debated here honestly. It's like arguing 2+2 isn't 4. There are times where there's no room for opinion, because there is a right answer and being on the opposite side of it is just being wrong.

I mean, please give me some actual compelling arguments against getting the vaccine, and I'll be totally cool with that. But what I've heard so far is a whole lot of nonsense that the far right typically gets (rightfully) destroyed for. Kyrie should be under that same scrutiny. We already know that his actual understanding of science is shockingly bad. This is just more proof as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you for your service. You have done an amazing job.


Also, that guy is an antivaxxer trying to push horse sh*t. Pay him no mind.

[MrDollarBills]

I see this going into the season as a forced load management on Kyrie but Tsai will have his salary available those games he misses to add another player. They just dumped Sekou to open a roster spot and free up more salary. The hope will be that the mandate will be lifted later in the season when the population meets the vaccination threshold. Buckle up this is going to be another ride but our team is deep and we will have another player joining us soon for this very reason.

Sekou doesn't open up another roster spot. We now have one last two way contract spot left for guys that are already here.

I think that the Nets need to indefinitely suspend Kyrie until he makes a decision, because he's not serious about winning a championship and he's just wasting people's time with his conspiracy theories and pseudoscience nonsense.

So Sekou was simply traded for saving money? Is there a way to replace Kyrie using our trade exception going forward knowing he won’t be playing?

He would need to retire honestly but I'll let TheNetsFan break all of that down.

[justin12140]

As a medical professional, I am biased. I can’t get behind 99% of the reasons people use to not get vaccinated, because I mainly go by the science and the numbers.

I find it kind of crazy how much of a spin job the Kyrie apologists are pulling here (Prokorov mainly). There’s really no good reason for Kyrie not to get it.

And as much as Prokorov wants to act otherwise, Kyrie does have a responsibility to show up to work and be available, that’s why he’s getting paid. Nets should be able to void his contract if he’s not going to be available for work because of a conscious decision to be a health risk to everyone around him.

There are many medical professionals refusing the vaccine. Roughly falls in line with stats of the general population. These were the people on the front lines saving lives when little was known about the disease. A time when it was assumed to be much worse than it is. Brave people who put their lives on the line to help others. Now they are being discarded and told they can't work. Most of them have natural immunity. It's politics, profits, and propaganda pushing the agenda in America.

This is just the dumbest **** ever. Over 700K confirmed deaths in the U.S. and millions of people dealing with symptoms months after contracting COVID. This is serious.

what kind of idiot advocates for Medical Professionals, dealing with some of the most at risk segments of society on a daily basis, to not get vaxxed and potentially be incubators for an infectious disease. Education in this country is going to **** smh.

[Prokorov]

No he is not. Stop it.

He is. and really, it shows a complete lack of insight to say otherwise. Basketball is not first for pretty much any of these guys. they are really people with real lives. everywhere you hear kyrie is some locker room cancer yet, all his former teammates defend him and love him. he takes all the bullets and fights so these teammates dont have to. he takes stands that arent easy

And on some real sh*t bro...stop invoking race into this discussion. This is not a racial issue. You keep infantilizing Kyrie and using the fact that he's Black as some kind of free pass for him to act irresponsibly. No. it doesn't work like that.

He is a grown man. telling him what he has to do when he is breaking 0 laws and has the teams full support is complete nonsense and horse crap. if it isnt racial, its trying to control a grown man from making a free choice.

Morons want him to throw away everything he believes in, give away his freedom to make his own choices and just "shut up and play" in a sport dominated by old white men. F that nonsense. these guys arent slaves, they are people first. they have their choices.

anyone who thinks otherwise can go F themselves. period. im over this controlling black men nosense. go to a trump forum if thats what you are about

[Prokorov]

Sekou doesn't open up another roster spot. We now have one last two way contract spot left for guys that are already here.

I think that the Nets need to indefinitely suspend Kyrie until he makes a decision, because he's not serious about winning a championship and he's just wasting people's time with his conspiracy theories and pseudoscience nonsense.

So Sekou was simply traded for saving money? Is there a way to replace Kyrie using our trade exception going forward knowing he won’t be playing?

He would need to retire honestly but I'll let TheNetsFan break all of that down.

We would have multiple open spots, because KD would demand out and harden would follow

[MrDollarBills]

We all know good and well, life is bigger than basketball for Kyrie. If I had to bet he is not going to budge on his stance to stay unvaccinated.

My brother and I were talking about this the other night - if Kobe was still here, and vaccinated, would Kyrie still be so determined to stand for what he feels is right? Because we know if Kobe said do it, Kyrie probably would. Just a random observation.

I’m curious to how long the team allows this to go on before it’s an even bigger distraction for the teams aspirations. Personally, I don’t see him caving, but I also thought the Yanks would get a W tonight, so what the he|| do I know?

the team will allow it all year. because 100% of his team and coaches are 100% behind because the dude is 100% in the right.

he is not in the right. He's the only person on the team unvaccinated without a medical reason for being so. He's absolutely selfish and doesn't care about his teammates, his own safety, or the aspirations of this team in general.

[MrDollarBills]

So Sekou was simply traded for saving money? Is there a way to replace Kyrie using our trade exception going forward knowing he won’t be playing?

He would need to retire honestly but I'll let TheNetsFan break all of that down.

We would have multiple open spots, because KD would demand out and harden would follow

yeah sure that's why KD signed on before anyone else knowing full well this situation was coming.

Harden is most likely waiting to see how this sh*t show with Kyrie ends up before committing. I don't blame him.

This situation is going to come to a head and right now it's Kyrie putting his complete bull **** before everyone else and the goal. You can support this all you want, but the notion that winning is not important to KD and Harden in their primes will prove you wrong.

[Prokorov]

he is not in the right.

of course he is in the right. its his choice. he doesnt live in a communist country. he is breaking 0 laws and following 100% of regulations and protocols.

He's the only person on the team unvaccinated without a medical reason for being so.

And Rosa parks was the only person to refuse to get out of her seat. "every one else is doing it" is no excuse to remove someones freedom of choice

He's absolutely selfish and doesn't care about his teammates, his own safety, or the aspirations of this team in general.

No, he isnt selfish. YOU ARE. you want a grown man to give up his freedom so that your sports team can do better. All without know JACK SH*T about his reasons why or even that he doesnt plan to do so after potentially exhausting other options. he is following all of the safety protocols. i dont want to hear this nonsense about "Safety".

the odds of someone vaccinated getting a breakthrough infection from someone tested multiple times daily, quarantining with strict contact tracing, masks, social distancing, etc is almost zero. The odds of someone vaccinated having a breakthrough infection and having complications is also extremely low.

[mcscotty]

There are many medical professionals refusing the vaccine. Roughly falls in line with stats of the general population. These were the people on the front lines saving lives when little was known about the disease. A time when it was assumed to be much worse than it is. Brave people who put their lives on the line to help others. Now they are being discarded and told they can't work. Most of them have natural immunity. It's politics, profits, and propaganda pushing the agenda in America.

I mean, I don't think I'm all that special, but I am one of those front line workers, and the vast majority of us got the vaccine. Yes, there are some healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine, and that's their personal decision, but it's actually really hard to debate the numbers on this one. The vaccines ARE effective, and they do reduce the incidence of severe COVID and the risk of death from COVID.

I mean there's a reason the healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine get a side-eye from everyone else within the field...they should know better. We all saw firsthand how many people died from COVID, how many people still have long-lasting effects from COVID, and how many of our own colleagues suffered from COVID and had to miss work. And we've all seen first hand the effectiveness of the vaccine and how much it's helped things. IDK, from a logical standpoint, there's not a whole lot to be debated here honestly. It's like arguing 2+2 isn't 4. There are times where there's no room for opinion, because there is a right answer and being on the opposite side of it is just being wrong.

I mean, please give me some actual compelling arguments against getting the vaccine, and I'll be totally cool with that. But what I've heard so far is a whole lot of nonsense that the far right typically gets (rightfully) destroyed for. Kyrie should be under that same scrutiny. We already know that his actual understanding of science is shockingly bad. This is just more proof as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you for your service. You have done an amazing job.


Also, that guy is an antivaxxer trying to push horse sh*t. Pay him no mind.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've got a Hep B, DPT, and HPV vaccine. I had Covid. Wasn't bad at all. I probably get flu/covid vaccines when I get older. Just glad I live in a country that doesn't vilify and discriminate against people that don't get vaccines. It's not warranted.

[MrDollarBills]

No he is not. Stop it.

He is. and really, it shows a complete lack of insight to say otherwise. Basketball is not first for pretty much any of these guys. they are really people with real lives. everywhere you hear kyrie is some locker room cancer yet, all his former teammates defend him and love him. he takes all the bullets and fights so these teammates dont have to. he takes stands that arent easy

And on some real sh*t bro...stop invoking race into this discussion. This is not a racial issue. You keep infantilizing Kyrie and using the fact that he's Black as some kind of free pass for him to act irresponsibly. No. it doesn't work like that.

He is a grown man. telling him what he has to do when he is breaking 0 laws and has the teams full support is complete nonsense and horse crap. if it isnt racial, its trying to control a grown man from making a free choice.

Morons want him to throw away everything he believes in, give away his freedom to make his own choices and just "shut up and play" in a sport dominated by old white men. F that nonsense. these guys arent slaves, they are people first. they have their choices.

anyone who thinks otherwise can go F themselves. period. im over this controlling black men nosense. go to a trump forum if thats what you are about

Stop invoking the word slave over a local vaccine mandate. You sound utterly foolish. Children have to get vaccinated to attend school in this country, this is nothing new.

I'm a Black man in this country and I've seen sh*t and dealt with crap you'll never have to deal with. Don't sit here and tell me to go to a Trump forum just because you want to treat Kyrie like a child instead of an adult. This is not a racial issue. Literally 99% of the team is f*ck ing BLACK and everyone is vaxed except for this fool. Stop it

[harlem_ball]

i would rather 0 games of kyrie then 82 of simmons. simmons is dog trash.

and KD doesnt need to "get through" to kyrie. This is exactly why he teamed up with Kyrie and they are so tight. player empowerment. not slaves.

Nah, Simmons is ok. He may be a good fit in BK... maybe.

Awful fit. allows teams to double team KD for 48 minutes. he is the opposite of what the nets need.

Simmons would improve the defense dramatically and, ahem, you also have James MVP Harden and Mills. C'mon, man. Do you even know basketball?

[Prokorov]

He would need to retire honestly but I'll let TheNetsFan break all of that down.

We would have multiple open spots, because KD would demand out and harden would follow

yeah sure that's why KD signed on before anyone else knowing full well this situation was coming.

Harden is most likely waiting to see how this sh*t show with Kyrie ends up before committing. I don't blame him.

This situation is going to come to a head and right now it's Kyrie putting his complete bull **** before everyone else and the goal. You can support this all you want, but the notion that winning is not important to KD and Harden in their primes will prove you wrong.

Every. single. player puts them self first. in most situations, its not in conflict with the team. and most arent in the financial spot to stand up for themselves with money to lose. Kyrie is willing to lose money to stand up for what he believes and take the media scrutiny. its why players love him. he does so they dont have to.

listen to the KD podcast the ETCs, read the book, and listen to his interview with Kyrie. in each, he says straight up a title is not his ultimate goal and basketball is just one of many things for him. and that him and Kyrie vibe because of their shared goals with player empowerment.

putting basketball and your teammats before yourself when your double team and passing is how you "put the team first". putting aside your principals, morals, beliefs, etc is NOT putting the team first its being a sellout to yourself and your family.

[therealbig3]

I mean, I don't think I'm all that special, but I am one of those front line workers, and the vast majority of us got the vaccine. Yes, there are some healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine, and that's their personal decision, but it's actually really hard to debate the numbers on this one. The vaccines ARE effective, and they do reduce the incidence of severe COVID and the risk of death from COVID.

I mean there's a reason the healthcare workers that are refusing the vaccine get a side-eye from everyone else within the field...they should know better. We all saw firsthand how many people died from COVID, how many people still have long-lasting effects from COVID, and how many of our own colleagues suffered from COVID and had to miss work. And we've all seen first hand the effectiveness of the vaccine and how much it's helped things. IDK, from a logical standpoint, there's not a whole lot to be debated here honestly. It's like arguing 2+2 isn't 4. There are times where there's no room for opinion, because there is a right answer and being on the opposite side of it is just being wrong.

I mean, please give me some actual compelling arguments against getting the vaccine, and I'll be totally cool with that. But what I've heard so far is a whole lot of nonsense that the far right typically gets (rightfully) destroyed for. Kyrie should be under that same scrutiny. We already know that his actual understanding of science is shockingly bad. This is just more proof as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you for your service. You have done an amazing job.


Also, that guy is an antivaxxer trying to push horse sh*t. Pay him no mind.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I've got a Hep B, DPT, and HPV vaccine. I had Covid. Wasn't bad at all. I probably get flu/covid vaccines when I get older. Just glad I live in a country that doesn't vilify and discriminate against people that don't get vaccines. It's not warranted.

You can't use your anecdotal evidence and extrapolate it to everyone. Good for you, COVID didn't hit you that hard.

That doesn't mean it's not hitting A LOT of people hard. We don't vilify and discriminate against people that don't get vaccines. We vilify and discriminate people that don't get vaccines without a good reason and are just scientifically illiterate. IMO, that's totally warranted. They're creating a public safety issue with their ignorance, and they clearly don't want to know better, because the information is readily available to anyone that cares to look.

Stupid people should be vilified. That's the biggest issue with the country lately. We give credence to everyone's opinions, even if their opinion is "water isn't wet". No matter how inaccurate, as long as they attach "in my opinion" before everything they say, we're under some obligation to give them validation for it.

Nah, people should be afraid of the public ridicule when they say stupid, anti-scientific things.

[Prokorov]

Nah, Simmons is ok. He may be a good fit in BK... maybe.

Awful fit. allows teams to double team KD for 48 minutes. he is the opposite of what the nets need.

Simmons would improve the defense dramatically and, ahem, you also have James MVP Harden and Mills. C'mon, man. Do you even know basketball?

Defense was not an issue last year. we were 5th in opponent FG% allowed. We gave up points more because of turnovers/points off turnovers and 2nd chance points. Those are mostly focus (turnovers) and effort (rebounding). Both were taken care of in the playoffs, where our D was outstanding.

MEanwhile, we struggled offensively once kyrie went down