The KD/Kyrie Era has been a colossal failure

[Karate Diop]

Joel Embiid went out there last night with a broken face and willed his team to victory down 0-2.

Harden sucks but he made the right decision by wanting out of here. Who will want to play in this situation where Kyrie is just here to chill and not play games 90% of the time?

Kyrie needs to go. We aren't going to win with this delusional mental midget.

Harden did well today. If only Kyrie could be normal, Harden would still be on this team and we would probably be the team to beat.

I think Harden's issues run deeper than just Kyrie... As easy as it is to blame Kyrie pretty much everyone disliked Harden

[MrDollarBills]

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[Jay555]

Joel Embiid went out there last night with a broken face and willed his team to victory down 0-2.

Harden sucks but he made the right decision by wanting out of here. Who will want to play in this situation where Kyrie is just here to chill and not play games 90% of the time?

Kyrie needs to go. We aren't going to win with this delusional mental midget.

Harden did well today. If only Kyrie could be normal, Harden would still be on this team and we would probably be the team to beat.

I think Harden's issues run deeper than just Kyrie... As easy as it is to blame Kyrie pretty much everyone disliked Harden

I kinda agree now. Harden is a bum.

[Galou]

Watching Dinwiddie perform well in the playoffs. Always had more heart than kyrie and harden. Yall messed up big time.

[MrDollarBills]

Watching Dinwiddie perform well in the playoffs. Always had more heart than kyrie and harden. Yall messed up big time.

Can't argue this. If we had Allen, Dinwiddie and LeVert we would have been in better shape. Harden and Kyrie are massive cowards

[BKlutch]

Watching Dinwiddie perform well in the playoffs. Always had more heart than kyrie and harden. Yall messed up big time.

Can't argue this. If we had Allen, Dinwiddie and LeVert we would have been in better shape. Harden and Kyrie are massive cowards

I agree with all of that except for one important point. Actually, everyone should be thankful LeVert was traded. As you may remember, the physical included an MRI scan that revealed a renal tumor. Most people die soon from those tumors because they’re not caught until too late. Because of the trade and the early discovery, he may have been cured.

But this is no thanks to the Nets, who destroyed what was going to be a great team - and trading LeVert was a part of that destruction.

Also, has anyone heard the rumor that Clara Tsai wants to creat a movie about Kyrie’s life? Like was dove for Gianis.

[gigantes]

Watching Dinwiddie perform well in the playoffs. Always had more heart than kyrie and harden. Yall messed up big time.

Can't argue this. If we had Allen, Dinwiddie and LeVert we would have been in better shape. Harden and Kyrie are massive cowards

I agree with all of that except for one important point. Actually, everyone should be thankful LeVert was traded. As you may remember, the physical included an MRI scan that revealed a renal tumor. Most people die soon from those tumors because they’re not caught until too late. Because of the trade and the early discovery, he may have been cured.

But this is no thanks to the Nets, who destroyed what was going to be a great team - and trading LeVert was a part of that destruction.

Also, has anyone heard the rumor that Clara Tsai wants to creat a movie about Kyrie’s life? Like was dove for Gianis.

Dude, everyone here knows all that.

Yes, building around Caris (& Widdie) was a plausible idea at one point. IMO Marks deserves *huge* *honking* credit for discovering guys like that.

The point is this (unlike the KD/KI era)-- you check it out, kick the tires, and move on where needed. Also part of why we massively screwed up by losing Fro, in particular.

Yes, this once "Brooklyn Grit" franchise that we all loved only three years ago (all credit to Marks), has become a complete disaster, hoping against hope that Simmons can somehow complete the equation, featuring Sean Marks wearing million-dollar grease paint at this point.

[GTR11]

Watching Dinwiddie perform well in the playoffs. Always had more heart than kyrie and harden. Yall messed up big time.

Letting Din walk was Tsai decision. We had his bird rights and could match anything.
2. Harden was coming out from MVP level season you Ping Pong clown . Talking after decision was made is laughable.
3. No one trading for Kyrie. Even Lakers as desperate as they are right now back tracked quickly ( I wonder why ).
4. No one will turn KD away period. Kyrie is side effect that had to be taken along.

Now go back to Ping Pong board and talk about Randle and Barret getting y'all high draft picks for years to come over here we talk about PO and building championship team.

[GTR11]

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I hate Bondy, but this is the truth.

Meh he's still tool and just by the peice he wrote here. Trashed Mark's just to say Tsai undermined him and let Kyrie be Kyrie.

Haven't even mentioned that Steve Trash was Tsai hire that was welcomed by KD.

[Ballerhogger]

Kyrie isn't even on Morant's level.

From what I'm seeing over here, Ja's a complete badass, lit by winning, hot fire inside him.

Kyrie's moreso the guy who sulks himself in to a rage when his hamster gets accidentally offended.

Plus, he's barely averaged 34 games a year for the Nets, across three years.

Kyrie Irving is arguably the worst, most useless star-signing in NBA history, unless I'm missing something...?

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If somehow, Tsai/Marks could talk KD into Kyrie for AD swap straight up... yeah yeah I know he's brittle and tends to disappear at times, he also all around monster when healthy. Just thinking of AD, Ben and KD defensive line... damn man.

I mean getting rid of Kyrie and all the stuff that he brings along is addition by subtraction. It's also not like he's Mr reliable either. What 30+ games a year on average like you said.

lakers won’t trade ad for Irving . Kd maybe but not Irving

[vincecarter4pres]

From what I'm seeing over here, Ja's a complete badass, lit by winning, hot fire inside him.

Kyrie's moreso the guy who sulks himself in to a rage when his hamster gets accidentally offended.

Plus, he's barely averaged 34 games a year for the Nets, across three years.

Kyrie Irving is arguably the worst, most useless star-signing in NBA history, unless I'm missing something...?

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If somehow, Tsai/Marks could talk KD into Kyrie for AD swap straight up... yeah yeah I know he's brittle and tends to disappear at times, he also all around monster when healthy. Just thinking of AD, Ben and KD defensive line... damn man.

I mean getting rid of Kyrie and all the stuff that he brings along is addition by subtraction. It's also not like he's Mr reliable either. What 30+ games a year on average like you said.

lakers won’t trade ad for Irving . Kd maybe but not Irving

Yeah, if Irving winds up on the Lakers, it's going to wind up a 3 or 4 team deal, where Charlotte sends the 13 and 15 and possibly a 3rd future pick to a 4th team, that team sends their star or high draft pick to Brooklyn, Brooklyn throws in Thomas and maybe a future pick, and gets a serviceable starter in Gordon Hayward and maybe Horton-Tucker, and the Lakers send a couple 1st's to the 4th team.

Something such as Lillard or KAT Brooklyn bound, or the 4th overall from Sacto for example, 13th & 15th overall this draft to that team, 2 Lakers 1st's to that team, Thomas to that team, another 1st or 2 from us and Charlotte to said 4th team, Russ to Charlotte, Hayward to Brooklyn. Something like that. LAL preferring Kyrie to Lillard, KAT, etc., because LeBron prefers him.

All unlikely, yet that's the likely type of thing to happen.

[enetric]

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If somehow, Tsai/Marks could talk KD into Kyrie for AD swap straight up... yeah yeah I know he's brittle and tends to disappear at times, he also all around monster when healthy. Just thinking of AD, Ben and KD defensive line... damn man.

I mean getting rid of Kyrie and all the stuff that he brings along is addition by subtraction. It's also not like he's Mr reliable either. What 30+ games a year on average like you said.

lakers won’t trade ad for Irving . Kd maybe but not Irving

Yeah, if Irving winds up on the Lakers, it's going to wind up a 3 or 4 team deal, where Charlotte sends the 13 and 15 and possibly a 3rd future pick to a 4th team, that team sends their star or high draft pick to Brooklyn, Brooklyn throws in Thomas and maybe a future pick, and gets a serviceable starter in Gordon Hayward and maybe Horton-Tucker, and the Lakers send a couple 1st's to the 4th team.

Something such as Lillard or KAT Brooklyn bound, or the 4th overall from Sacto for example, 13th & 15th overall this draft to that team, 2 Lakers 1st's to that team, Thomas to that team, another 1st or 2 from us and Charlotte to said 4th team, Russ to Charlotte, Hayward to Brooklyn. Something like that. LAL preferring Kyrie to Lillard, KAT, etc., because LeBron prefers him.

All unlikely, yet that's the likely type of thing to happen.

I would love to turn it on its head. Trade Kyrie for LBJ lol.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm good if the Nets decide to trade both of these idiots and start rebuilding.

Kyrie doesn't deserve a max contract and shouldn't get one based on his unreliable, erratic and utterly selfish behavior. If KD has a problem with it, he's free to start fielding offers from other teams. I don't care about their friendship, I watch this team to see the Nets win. If either of them aren't willing to do whats necessary to win, I don't want them here. They both got exposed badly by Boston, what will change in a year's time if we cave in to their god awful demands? Nash is still the coach. Kyrie is still a nutball. The playbook is out on KD. We're not beating Boston, Milwaukee, or Miami with this group.

Once both are gone, Sean Marks needs to be fired. I don't care what anyone says, he has been absolutely terrible over the last 12 months.

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I hate Bondy, but this is the truth.

I missed it at the time, but I love the savage, efficient, factual nature of this tweet.

I've already spilled oceans of ink on this shizzle across various of these threads, but this tweet (not unlike certain hearings going on) provides further evidence that Marks really did veer away from his strengths in catering to this guy, which was almost certainly going to be a problem after trying to build around him, IMO.

[TheNetsFan]

If I'm using Stamuse correctly:

KD+Kyrie without Harden = 19-15
KD without Kyrie = 32-14
KD without Kyrie or Harden = 10-3

Seems consistent with what Bostonians have been saying. He does not equate to winning. I'm not losing sleep over losing Irving. If we can get back something serviceable for him, we're fine.

[MrDollarBills]

If I'm using Stamuse correctly:

KD+Kyrie without Harden = 19-15
KD without Kyrie = 32-14
KD without Kyrie or Harden = 10-3

Seems consistent with what Bostonians have been saying. He does not equate to winning. I'm not losing sleep over losing Irving. If we can get back something serviceable for him, we're fine.

I would trade him to Miami for Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Max Struss and a 1st.

[Galou]

No hate. Real talk. It's best for the Nets to blow the whole team up. Get rid of kyrie and durant

[therealbig3]

If I'm using Stamuse correctly:

KD+Kyrie without Harden = 19-15
KD without Kyrie = 32-14
KD without Kyrie or Harden = 10-3

Seems consistent with what Bostonians have been saying. He does not equate to winning. I'm not losing sleep over losing Irving. If we can get back something serviceable for him, we're fine.

I would trade him to Miami for Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Max Struss and a 1st.

I think Miami would laugh at us and hang up the phone.

They have a legitimately good squad that can compete for years, why mess that up by trading solid pieces for Kyrie?

Has Kyrie actually proven to be an impact player, pretty much anywhere he's been? Honestly? Gotta move past the reputation of a name, Kyrie's reputation is SO MUCH more than what he actually is as a player. In terms of actual, on-court value, I wouldn't take him over Tyler Herro, in no world.

[wco81]

I'm good if the Nets decide to trade both of these idiots and start rebuilding.

Kyrie doesn't deserve a max contract and shouldn't get one based on his unreliable, erratic and utterly selfish behavior. If KD has a problem with it, he's free to start fielding offers from other teams. I don't care about their friendship, I watch this team to see the Nets win. If either of them aren't willing to do whats necessary to win, I don't want them here. They both got exposed badly by Boston, what will change in a year's time if we cave in to their god awful demands? Nash is still the coach. Kyrie is still a nutball. The playbook is out on KD. We're not beating Boston, Milwaukee, or Miami with this group.

Once both are gone, Sean Marks needs to be fired. I don't care what anyone says, he has been absolutely terrible over the last 12 months.

How much support is there in the fan base for a rebuild though?

Will attendance hold up?

Unlikely to get stars in return so it's mostly going to be expiring contracts and a lot of draft assets.

Could be years before Nets contend again. Look at Orlando, how long they've been accumulating your players. Houston and OKC are also approaching a long stretch. OKC will have to either extend or trade some of their young players in a year or two.

If Nets gave Kyrie what he and presumably KD want, they could contend the next 3 years or so, assuming Simmons returns to form.

Kyrie if nothing else would provide spacing because of elite shooting, to counteract them ignoring Simmons when he's off-ball.

But yeah, there needs to be incentives for games played or else he could pull the same stunts again, play just 30 games a season.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm good if the Nets decide to trade both of these idiots and start rebuilding.

Kyrie doesn't deserve a max contract and shouldn't get one based on his unreliable, erratic and utterly selfish behavior. If KD has a problem with it, he's free to start fielding offers from other teams. I don't care about their friendship, I watch this team to see the Nets win. If either of them aren't willing to do whats necessary to win, I don't want them here. They both got exposed badly by Boston, what will change in a year's time if we cave in to their god awful demands? Nash is still the coach. Kyrie is still a nutball. The playbook is out on KD. We're not beating Boston, Milwaukee, or Miami with this group.

Once both are gone, Sean Marks needs to be fired. I don't care what anyone says, he has been absolutely terrible over the last 12 months.

How much support is there in the fan base for a rebuild though?

Will attendance hold up?

Unlikely to get stars in return so it's mostly going to be expiring contracts and a lot of draft assets.

Could be years before Nets contend again. Look at Orlando, how long they've been accumulating your players. Houston and OKC are also approaching a long stretch. OKC will have to either extend or trade some of their young players in a year or two.

If Nets gave Kyrie what he and presumably KD want, they could contend the next 3 years or so, assuming Simmons returns to form.

Kyrie if nothing else would provide spacing because of elite shooting, to counteract them ignoring Simmons when he's off-ball.

But yeah, there needs to be incentives for games played or else he could pull the same stunts again, play just 30 games a season.

I'll be honest, Idgaf if fans are alienated in a blowup, at least if we wind up with a good young player paired to Ben with some athletic finishers and shooters, we'll be fun to watch and tickets will be dirt cheap lol.