Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[Eatgreenz]

Need to pick to be 2025 for Mikal to be moved. 3rd ain't enough.

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[vincecarter4pres]

Need to pick to be 2025 for Mikal to be moved. 3rd ain't enough.

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So this is the beginning point of negotiations.

Whether they decide to actually trade Mikal or not we shall see, but all things point to an eventual offer of at least the 3rd overall returned, along with the ‘25 swap option and one of the ‘26 or ‘27 picks, probably Brooks as salary filler and my guess would be somebody like Eason.

Maybe it can expand into a 3 team deal with Indiana where we send the Philly pick, Schröder and Eason for Nembhard and salary filler?

[vincecarter4pres]

It’s possible to take a competitive leap without trading Bridges or future picks.

possible over time, not likely next year.

marks draft record is as good as anyone - in hindsight redrafts almost all of his picks would have been top 5-10 selections. and as we've seen even those players - Levert, Allen, Claxton, CamT, Clowney - haven't been the central piece in any team taking a competitive leap (and certainly not in their rookie seasons).

like i said above thibodeaux and ime led far bigger competitive leaps for their respective teams than any of those team's top 5-10 picks did.

but generally i agree, there isn't just 1 path to this team taking a leap. I think they need to keep their eyes open to all paths. if the right deal comes along it may mean trading bridges or anyone else, this team doesn't have any sacred cows.

and the first leap starts with Fernandez.

I think my only hesitation with taking a deal from Houston where we get the picks back is you wind up with the 3rd overall and Castle goes 2 and Risacher wound up 1st overall. Sarr does little to excite me, we already have Claxton. Though there are other interesting players, it feels like you’re better off being later in the lottery and picking up some other assets in a trade down if you don’t land one of Risacher or Castle at 3.

[vincecarter4pres]

For the record I would never condone adding any picks to a Mikal to Houston deal, just posted that as a what if.

[Jkam31]

What do you guys think about Huerter, Mitchell and 13 pick for Cam Johnson

[TheNetsFan]

What do you guys think about Huerter, Mitchell and 13 pick for Cam Johnson

Great deal, but I don't know if the Nets would want Heurter's '25 money on the books.

[Netaman]

What do you guys think about Huerter, Mitchell and 13 pick for Cam Johnson

counter, do you guys have any interest in DFS? I think this is the draft the Nets finally deal him since there are going to be teams in the teens looking to bail on picks. #13 and filler for DFS seems reasonable. DFS was the better player than CamJ most of last year and he's cheaper.

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[Papi_swav]

I don't think we should trade Bridges for out #3 pick back. This years draft class is weak and I feel like we can get an equally good player in the teens and 20s. Unless Houston wants to give us ALL of our picks back plus a player like Whitemore or Eason etc.. then yea sure but I doubt they want to do all that. If we try to go after our #3 pick this year , Rockets will try to short change us on the rest of the assets.

So maybe Bridges for the rest of our picks back other than #3 this year, plus Eason , Cam Whitemore, Amen Thompson and I guess Dillon Brooks to make the salaries match. We can probably send Brooks to a 3rd team so he can play for a contender or better team. If we try to go after our #3 pick this year we won't get much more assets after that, and there isn't any superstars in this draft to go after unless Marks sees someone he's infatuated with.

I wish we would of took that trade back when Houston was offering Jalen Green. He finished the season on a high note but it is what it is. We can trade DFS or CamJ for a pick in the teens or 20s and I feel like we'll get a good player still. I'd much rather get rid of CamJ, he is trash ! We also need a point guard or a leader .

It sucks that Houston actually got the #3 pick this year. i feel like if the Nets owned their own pick this year we would definitely not have gotten a high pick because we never do. But we all know the draft lottery is rigged.

[Jkam31]

What do you guys think about Huerter, Mitchell and 13 pick for Cam Johnson

counter, do you guys have any interest in DFS? I think this is the draft the Nets finally deal him since there are going to be teams in the teens looking to bail on picks. #13 and filler for DFS seems reasonable. DFS was the better player than CamJ most of last year and he's cheaper.

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Doubt we’d trade 13 for DFS at his age then having to resign him when he opts out. What u think would be possible would be a bigger deal with Cam involved bringing in multiple picks and a couple vets that Jodie likes.

Barnes, Huerter, Mitchell, Jones, 13th pick and 2027 top 3 protected

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DFS and Cam Johnson

What do you guys think about Huerter, Mitchell and 13 pick for Cam Johnson

Great deal, but I don't know if the Nets would want Heurter's '25 money on the books.

Heurter only has two years remaining and you have to hit a salary limit you guys can always flip him to a contender at the deadline as well. Also if not then take him out for Kyle’s and Sasha but I think you’d be able to get value for him later

[Netaman]

Doubt we’d trade 13 for DFS at his age then having to resign him when he opts out. What u think would be possible would be a bigger deal with Cam involved bringing in multiple picks and a couple vets that Jodie likes.

Barnes, Huerter, Mitchell, Jones, 13th pick and 2027 top 3 protected

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DFS and Cam Johnson

Heurter only has two years remaining and you have to hit a salary limit you guys can always flip him to a contender at the deadline as well. Also if not then take him out for Kyle’s and Sasha but I think you’d be able to get value for him later

i think nets would probably do that or something like that to add more future assets, but i kind of caution, i think fanbases continue to overrate cam johnson. i think that contract is under water. he gets hurt a lot. i get that there's some money being swapped.

its possible the cavs would like him as the preferred salary matching if they have to trade mitchell or garland but i think for the most part teams would rather take the older/cheaper/more reliable DFS.

[Netaman]

If Nets trade Bridges, this is the type of deal I expect them to do (from T&T board - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2383342)

Return here is Keegan Murray + 2 FRPs (plus salary filler) and I think that's the right combination, 1 good rookie contract starter + 2 unprotected firsts. Those are both unprotected swaps, in a real deal I think at least 1 of them would be a pick not a swap.

if the Nets trade Bridges i'd need back someone like murray, or podziemski, or jaquez, or nembhard, etc.

i think the rockets young guys may or may not qualify, i dont have a good read on them.

one thing that is interesting about all those guys listed is they weren't top 10 picks except Murray. many were picked in the back half of the first round. just like a lot of the good picks marks has made. which is why id be cautious overrating the future picks if there's a separate possibility of landing an all star lead guard. very few top 3 picks turn into Ant/Tatum/Brown and it's very unknown whether or not any of the picks the nets now own will get that high, and if they do that it will be the right year.

[Netaman]

Stole the DFS/#15 trade concept and edited it from another one on the T&T board, what say you?

Herro adds shot making and could either be 6th man or insurance if Nets end up trading Cam Thomas as part of a deal for Mitchell/Trae/Garland. Like CamT the fit isn't ideal, but I think Herro is a better complimentary player since he can shoot and gives Nets something they lacked even if there's no follow-up deal. Also gives Nets more room to operate this year filling out roster via FA. And obviously also a mid round FRP that off the top of my head would be Marks' highest pick as a GM?

[TheNetsFan]

Stole the DFS/#15 trade concept and edited it from another one on the T&T board, what say you?

Herro adds shot making and could either be 6th man or insurance if Nets end up trading Cam Thomas as part of a deal for Mitchell/Trae/Garland. Like CamT the fit isn't ideal, but I think Herro is a better complimentary player since he can shoot and gives Nets something they lacked even if there's no follow-up deal. Also gives Nets more room to operate this year filling out roster via FA. And obviously also a mid round FRP that off the top of my head would be Marks' highest pick as a GM?

I hate this deal.

[vincecarter4pres]

Stole the DFS/#15 trade concept and edited it from another one on the T&T board, what say you?

Herro adds shot making and could either be 6th man or insurance if Nets end up trading Cam Thomas as part of a deal for Mitchell/Trae/Garland. Like CamT the fit isn't ideal, but I think Herro is a better complimentary player since he can shoot and gives Nets something they lacked even if there's no follow-up deal. Also gives Nets more room to operate this year filling out roster via FA. And obviously also a mid round FRP that off the top of my head would be Marks' highest pick as a GM?

I hate this deal.

Yeah idk. Was never exceptionally high on Herro and I’ve definitely soured on him since last summer. A lot of long term money tbh.

[Netaman]

Stole the DFS/#15 trade concept and edited it from another one on the T&T board, what say you?

Herro adds shot making and could either be 6th man or insurance if Nets end up trading Cam Thomas as part of a deal for Mitchell/Trae/Garland. Like CamT the fit isn't ideal, but I think Herro is a better complimentary player since he can shoot and gives Nets something they lacked even if there's no follow-up deal. Also gives Nets more room to operate this year filling out roster via FA. And obviously also a mid round FRP that off the top of my head would be Marks' highest pick as a GM?

I hate this deal.

Yeah idk. Was never exceptionally high on Herro and I’ve definitely soured on him since last summer. A lot of long term money tbh.

he always gets hurt, he's kind of like cam johnson in that way, but remember they are shedding DFS money and Simmons. That adds up pretty close to what herro's owed, and they get pick #15 out of it.

i get not wanting to add long term money, but i think if you get a solid player which herro is i think there's usually a way out if you need it. there was with crabbe/harris/dwight and even mozgov.

i think we net fans are generally a little unrealistic about simmons and 2025 FA. i find it very unlikely that there is a big FA they can get in FA next year with his expiring facilitating the cap room for that to happen. if a team trading a super star wants back a big expiring that's about his only use, but even then i doubt any of the teams prefer him to the rest of the nets salary fillers. so im pretty sure his destiny is being shipped off with an asset attached to a team like detroit.

[vincecarter4pres]

I hate this deal.

Yeah idk. Was never exceptionally high on Herro and I’ve definitely soured on him since last summer. A lot of long term money tbh.

he always gets hurt, he's kind of like cam johnson in that way, but remember they are shedding DFS money and Simmons. That adds up pretty close to what herro's owed, and they get pick #15 out of it.

i get not wanting to add long term money, but i think if you get a solid player which herro is i think there's usually a way out if you need it. there was with crabbe/harris/dwight and even mozgov.

i think we net fans are generally a little unrealistic about simmons and 2025 FA. i find it very unlikely that there is a big FA they can get in FA next year with his expiring facilitating the cap room for that to happen. if a team trading a super star wants back a big expiring that's about his only use, but even then i doubt any of the teams prefer him to the rest of the nets salary fillers. so im pretty sure his destiny is being shipped off with an asset attached to a team like detroit.

Yeah, ‘25 free agency is kind of overrated, cause there probably won’t be anybody of real value to sign.

But I’m missing the Simmons connection, if Cam and DFS are moved for expirings now, then Simmons just has to expire himself for the cap space to open up.

But if you’re just getting at don’t even worry about cap space and ‘25 free agency, I’m mainly with you, but to me Herro is not the guy specifically to blow that on, especially if the only incentive is a pick that should almost be attainable for DFS outright attached to expiring salary filler of some sort.

[Netaman]

But if you’re just getting at don’t even worry about cap space and ‘25 free agency, I’m mainly with you, but to me Herro is not the guy specifically to blow that on, especially if the only incentive is a pick that should almost be attainable for DFS outright attached to expiring salary filler of some sort.

correct this is what im getting at - creating cap space wont be a problem, but i dont see anywhere to spend it since mitchell likely gets resolved this summer one way or the other. so if we write off 2025, by the time the next FA cycle rolls around (2026) herro's contract is entering expiring status anyway.

ive always liked herro and this year the few games of his i caught were the ones where he cooked us down the stretch. i think worst case he is a really good 6th man who can shoot the lights out and would fit on most any team.

is he a little overpaid for that and given the injuries? probably. that's why i think he's a lot like camj. he's a more expensive/injury prone austin reaves. but if we are getting back pick #15 with him and offloading salary i think that's fine.

[vincecarter4pres]

But if you’re just getting at don’t even worry about cap space and ‘25 free agency, I’m mainly with you, but to me Herro is not the guy specifically to blow that on, especially if the only incentive is a pick that should almost be attainable for DFS outright attached to expiring salary filler of some sort.

correct this is what im getting at - creating cap space wont be a problem, but i dont see anywhere to spend it since mitchell likely gets resolved this summer one way or the other. so if we write off 2025, by the time the next FA cycle rolls around (2026) herro's contract is entering expiring status anyway.

ive always liked herro and this year the few games of his i caught were the ones where he cooked us down the stretch. i think worst case he is a really good 6th man who can shoot the lights out and would fit on most any team.

is he a little overpaid for that and given the injuries? probably. that's why i think he's a lot like camj. he's a more expensive/injury prone austin reaves. but if we are getting back pick #15 with him and offloading salary i think that's fine.

I just don’t like committing that much flexibility to him. But I guess I wouldn’t hate it?


Here’s one…

Cam Johnson
Day’Ron Sharpe
Jalen Wilson
Philly 1st

For

Brandon Clarke
Luke Kennard
9th overall

Think Memphis has interest in this?

[Keith Van Horn]

I know Houston has had a hard on for Bridges, but I wonder what they think about Cam Johnson? Could we send them CJ instead and get like half of that package back in return?

[Netaman]

But if you’re just getting at don’t even worry about cap space and ‘25 free agency, I’m mainly with you, but to me Herro is not the guy specifically to blow that on, especially if the only incentive is a pick that should almost be attainable for DFS outright attached to expiring salary filler of some sort.

correct this is what im getting at - creating cap space wont be a problem, but i dont see anywhere to spend it since mitchell likely gets resolved this summer one way or the other. so if we write off 2025, by the time the next FA cycle rolls around (2026) herro's contract is entering expiring status anyway.

ive always liked herro and this year the few games of his i caught were the ones where he cooked us down the stretch. i think worst case he is a really good 6th man who can shoot the lights out and would fit on most any team.

is he a little overpaid for that and given the injuries? probably. that's why i think he's a lot like camj. he's a more expensive/injury prone austin reaves. but if we are getting back pick #15 with him and offloading salary i think that's fine.

I just don’t like committing that much flexibility to him. But I guess I wouldn’t hate it?


Here’s one…

Cam Johnson
Day’Ron Sharpe
Jalen Wilson
Philly 1st

For

Brandon Clarke
Luke Kennard
9th overall

Think Memphis has interest in this?

seems way slanted toward memphis bc of the rumors of weak draft and clarke/achilles.

i have no idea where cam j's value is right now but let's say it's slightly underwater. clarke has to be more under water though bc an achilles is not a good injury for a guy who is athleticism dependent. so i dont think that's a wash. in total mem is only taking on about $20m extra (+10m in each of 25/26) but getting arguably the better player. certainly the less risky one.

so then it comes down to pick equity - sharpe only has 1 year left but he is a solid big. it wouldn't shock me if he could bring back a late first by himself, same with Wilson. so with PHI 1st let's say that's the value of 3 late firsts. is that fair for a 9th overall pick? maybe if you think you are moving up for a ROY candidate.

but if that were the case id probably try to leave out the veterans and just deal the young guys/picks.