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DarkXaero wrote:Oh I'm sorry bro, I didn't realize that 22/8/5 were numbers of a washed up star.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Be averse to getting a superstar caliber player?
This isn't 2013 bro.
They days of Blake Griffin being a Superstar are over.
A healthy Blake Griffin would average 25/12/5 here. Those are superstar/MVP type numbers. Brook Lopez isn't capable of that. LMAO.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Oh I'm sorry bro, I didn't realize that 22/8/5 were numbers of a washed up star.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
This isn't 2013 bro.
They days of Blake Griffin being a Superstar are over.
Oh I'm sorry.
I forgot thats what qualifies a "Superstar."
I guess Brook Lopez is a Supserstar too. LMAO.
What does Deron Williams have to do with Blake Griffin?shakendfries wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Oh I'm sorry bro, I didn't realize that 22/8/5 were numbers of a washed up star.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
This isn't 2013 bro.
They days of Blake Griffin being a Superstar are over.
deron williams put up pretty good numbers before we traded for him too
DarkXaero wrote:A healthy Blake Griffin would average 25/12/5 here. Those are superstar/MVP type numbers. Brook Lopez isn't capable of that. LMAO.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Oh I'm sorry bro, I didn't realize that 22/8/5 were numbers of a washed up star.
Oh I'm sorry.
I forgot thats what qualifies a "Superstar."
I guess Brook Lopez is a Supserstar too. LMAO.
Well it's a definite concern but I don't think it's that bad. He has had 3 full seasons out of 7 played, and in the other 3 out of 4 seasons, he has still played over 60 games.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:A healthy Blake Griffin would average 25/12/5 here. Those are superstar/MVP type numbers. Brook Lopez isn't capable of that. LMAO.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Oh I'm sorry.
I forgot thats what qualifies a "Superstar."
I guess Brook Lopez is a Supserstar too. LMAO.
A "healthy Blake Griffin" isn't a real thing.
That's like saying a "Donald Trump that doesn't tweet at 3 AM."
He's been injury prone since his rookie year. Its not going to change.
DarkXaero wrote:Well it's a definite concern but I don't think it's that bad. He has had 3 full seasons out of 7 played, and in the other 3 out of 4 seasons, he has still played over 60 games.Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:A healthy Blake Griffin would average 25/12/5 here. Those are superstar/MVP type numbers. Brook Lopez isn't capable of that. LMAO.
A "healthy Blake Griffin" isn't a real thing.
That's like saying a "Donald Trump that doesn't tweet at 3 AM."
He's been injury prone since his rookie year. Its not going to change.
FlipFlopShot wrote:shakendfries wrote:NyCeEvO wrote:Exactly. It takes two to tango.
Unless you're a team in dire straights to salary dump, no one is giving up a pick below 20 if the center of the deal is Booker or Kilpatrick. RHJ would the most desired available asset that teams would look for in compensation for trading a sub-20 pick.
or Jeremy Lin
Are you going to deal Lin to just move up into the late teens though?
deviljets7 wrote:Not surprising to see the reports of the Spurs considering a move of Danny Green for cap space in order to make a run at a big FA (CP3?)
Considering this team is lacking in shooters and he's well-versed in the "Spurs way" I think he would be an excellent addition. Is the contract just high enough that he can be had without giving up an assets?
NyCeEvO wrote:deviljets7 wrote:Not surprising to see the reports of the Spurs considering a move of Danny Green for cap space in order to make a run at a big FA (CP3?)
Considering this team is lacking in shooters and he's well-versed in the "Spurs way" I think he would be an excellent addition. Is the contract just high enough that he can be had without giving up an assets?
Danny Green is the type of 3&D player (and especially contract) I'd want on the Nets.
I loathe the idea of giving Otto Porter $20+mil/year. Before the addition of Bojan, I was already making the case before the Wizards acquired Bogs that (while Porter needs to be credited with improving his game), his production will go back down the moment he doesn't have Wall and Beal attracting defenses away from him. Once another competent marksman in Bogs showed up, Otto declined pretty hard.
Prior to March his FG% was well over .500; in March, he was .485 and in his four games in April, he shot 42.4% from the field.
His 3pt% took a nosedive as well...he was leading the league before March and then 35.9% from 3 in March and then 28.6% in 4 games in March.
Things are supposed to get easier for you when you add talent, not harder.
Giving Otto Porter a max deal is an easy and hard NO from me.
Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Oh I'm sorry bro, I didn't realize that 22/8/5 were numbers of a washed up star.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
This isn't 2013 bro.
They days of Blake Griffin being a Superstar are over.
Oh I'm sorry.
I forgot thats what qualifies a "Superstar."
I guess Brook Lopez is a Supserstar too. LMAO.
NyCeEvO wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Well it's a definite concern but I don't think it's that bad. He has had 3 full seasons out of 7 played, and in the other 3 out of 4 seasons, he has still played over 60 games.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
A "healthy Blake Griffin" isn't a real thing.
That's like saying a "Donald Trump that doesn't tweet at 3 AM."
He's been injury prone since his rookie year. Its not going to change.
His most recent 3 seasons he's played in 67, 35, and 61 games respectively. That's pretty bad reliability and an average of 54.333 games per season.
Additionally, his numbers over those past three seasons are actually lower than the previous 3 seasons.
The last thing the Nets should do is spend their rest of the cap on a player who can't be relied upon healthwise and at best appears to have stagnated in his growth.
More important than all of this is wondering why would Griffin sign here even if other teams are a bit off in offering a full max? Players seem to make so much money these days that they don't mind giving back a few to play on better teams. I don't see this happening.
Hello Brooklyn wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:Our lineup for next year should be
Russell
LeVert
Kilpatrick
RHJ
Mozgov
I don't care about Lin. He's better as a backup anyway.
I don't buy this whole "Russell is actually a SG" nonsense.
This is a Point Guard's league now. Russell needs to learn to play at that position and have the ball in his hands. Him and Lin are not going to work. And I'm totally opposed to moving LeVert to the 3 as well.
Kenny wants two ball handlers in the back court
LeVert played most of his mind last season at 3 if I'm not mistaken
Kilpatrick playing SF?
RHJ and Mozgov kills spacing.
Yeah you're right.
Maybe put Levert at 3 and Kilpatrick at the 2.
Either way I want Russell playing Point Guard.
I don't see how RHJ and Mozgov kill spacing.
Papi_swav wrote:Danny Green is available, wonder what it would take to get him? Maybe he's a salary dump.
Prokorov wrote:NyCeEvO wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Well it's a definite concern but I don't think it's that bad. He has had 3 full seasons out of 7 played, and in the other 3 out of 4 seasons, he has still played over 60 games.
His most recent 3 seasons he's played in 67, 35, and 61 games respectively. That's pretty bad reliability and an average of 54.333 games per season.
Additionally, his numbers over those past three seasons are actually lower than the previous 3 seasons.
The last thing the Nets should do is spend their rest of the cap on a player who can't be relied upon healthwise and at best appears to have stagnated in his growth.
More important than all of this is wondering why would Griffin sign here even if other teams are a bit off in offering a full max? Players seem to make so much money these days that they don't mind giving back a few to play on better teams. I don't see this happening.
i agree on all of that with griffin.
but id still sign him... it would be a step back towards respectability and being considered as an FA. and blake is a popular dude other guys want to play with
Like I said, it's a definite concern but I was just proving the point that he hasn't been injury prone his entire career, that would be false. Still though, I wouldn't avoid making Blake Griffin an offer just because of his recent injury record. We're in a pretty bad situation and even if he gets injured, I don't think that contract will become bad for us. As for why Blake Griffin would sign here, I'm not talking about the odds of us getting him. I just think we should do our due diligence and make an offer. Realistically, there aren't many teams that can make him a max offer.NyCeEvO wrote:DarkXaero wrote:Well it's a definite concern but I don't think it's that bad. He has had 3 full seasons out of 7 played, and in the other 3 out of 4 seasons, he has still played over 60 games.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
A "healthy Blake Griffin" isn't a real thing.
That's like saying a "Donald Trump that doesn't tweet at 3 AM."
He's been injury prone since his rookie year. Its not going to change.
His most recent 3 seasons he's played in 67, 35, and 61 games respectively. That's pretty bad reliability and an average of 54.333 games per season.
Additionally, his numbers over those past three seasons are actually lower than the previous 3 seasons.
The last thing the Nets should do is spend their rest of the cap on a player who can't be relied upon healthwise and at best appears to have stagnated in his growth.
More important than all of this is wondering why would Griffin sign here even if other teams are a bit off in offering a full max? Players seem to make so much money these days that they don't mind giving back a few to play on better teams. I don't see this happening.
Hello Brooklyn wrote:DarkXaero wrote:A healthy Blake Griffin would average 25/12/5 here. Those are superstar/MVP type numbers. Brook Lopez isn't capable of that. LMAO.Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Oh I'm sorry.
I forgot thats what qualifies a "Superstar."
I guess Brook Lopez is a Supserstar too. LMAO.
A "healthy Blake Griffin" isn't a real thing.
That's like saying a "Donald Trump that doesn't tweet at 3 AM."
He's been injury prone since his rookie year. Its not going to change.
Packers+NetsWIN wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
Kenny wants two ball handlers in the back court
LeVert played most of his mind last season at 3 if I'm not mistaken
Kilpatrick playing SF?
RHJ and Mozgov kills spacing.
Yeah you're right.
Maybe put Levert at 3 and Kilpatrick at the 2.
Either way I want Russell playing Point Guard.
I don't see how RHJ and Mozgov kill spacing.
I think the best move would be to develop Russell as a point guard also. I think him and levert would make a great backcourt duo as they are both long, each can play of the ball as the other one has his respective turn running the offense, and are similar in age so can mature together.
However, I think it would be prudent to let him be the super six man for the team this year. The nets are not winning a championship this year so I think it would be smart for the Nets not to put too much pressure on him too fast. Let him adjust to new teammates and a new city, learn the system from Lin and Atkinson, and learn how to be a great professional from Lin this year without the pressure of being a full-time starter and go to scorer. He can also get some minutes with Lin obviously as one of them shifts over to SG. Then next off-season, if Russell showed good progress (which I strongly believe he will) and assuming Lin opts out (which again, I am assuming he does), the Nets can be honest with Lin when negotiating a potential extension. The Nets can tell Lin that Russell is the starting point guard but that they want Lin back as a combo guard on a reasonable contract. He either accepts or walks. I like Lin and want to keep him on the team, but not at expense of developing a Russell-Levert backcourt
MrDollarBills wrote:Few points:
Blake is not signing with the Nets. You guys are masochists. Every damn summer expectations in free agency spiral out of control.
Danny Green would be an excellent piece to trade for. Fits right into our system.
Mozgov and RHJ aren't shooters. We need at least 4 players that can knock down the open 3 (last year it was Lin, LeVert, Lopez, and foye). One of those two will have to come off of then bench. I wouldn't pencil in mozgov as the starting 5 just yet. Let's see what moves Marks makes in the draft and free agency.
Only thing I can say with certainty is that Lin, Russell, and LeVert are the perimeter trio. And that's a damn good start.
