2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Paradise]

Seriously, who are we supposed to sign with these 'pretty' numbers? Porter is one and we won't get him.

KCP can do everything a 3&D wing does. Catch and shoot, defend passing lanes, etc. Is he inefficient? Yes but wasn't that the whole point of hiring Marks and his developmental staff? KCP is 24.

I hated the idea of maxing him. I have no problem signing him outright. We won 20 games and he started on a playoff team and did well. Can we say that about anybody here except Lin?

I'd negotiate anything up to 75-80. Thats my limit.




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Is he really a 3pt shooter if he shoots 33% 3pt career? Hell, Booker shot 34% and 32% 3pt in two years and no one gave him any credit for being a potential 3pt stretch 4.

It's not like we have a hole at SG. Why not focus on PF/SF/C instead? I'm okay with KCP at $10m but unless Marks envisions incredible growth trajectory for KCP, I don't see why you'd spend $17m+ on him.

Because a career season for KCP means he develops something like Wes Matthews, Danny Green. It's a different context to the situation now that he's unrestricted.

He's going to be a 2 way wing. You have two sides of the ball to improve with him and either side improving within the time of his contract is a success. Both sides improve and be becomes a borderline star.

We don't know KCP enough to assume he's going to be inefficient for the rest of his contract. Jimmy Butler had similar numbers during his first few seasons.

We need to chill on the instant oatmeal. Guys improve when there's a culture of hard work and dedication there but it may not always happen right away. Half of this FA is filled with guys who were D-Leaguers and turned into productive pieces. KCP is just as inefficient as Dion Waiters was before joining Miami except he's got better shot selection and didn't Waiters get $50m offers?




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[Ror1997]

How much money could be cleared to offer KCP if Washington doesn't match Porter?

Dumping Booker should do it

[NyCeEvO]

Huh, and I thought Bradley was the least expendable of anyone on their trade block.

Well they got Morris in return, he's a bargain and fills a major need for Boston while opening up the necessary cap to sign Hayward outright.

I understand that, but gotta wonder if they'll miss his defense going forward. And on a smaller note, he was a big reason they stole a game from the Cavs.

I haven't done much research but I think I read that his defense fell off a bit. Yet when I watched him this past season, he still seemed to be a pretty pesky defender who now chooses his spots due to the extra offensive load he carries.

If possible, I would've tried to keep Bradley for his overall game and Smart for his defense and potential.

[Roy Tarpley]

They just got Bradley why would they want to overpay to keep OPJ?

During the season, the piston board was full of KCP support. Alot of people said he was the only guy on the team who played like he gave a ****. They were hoping there was a way to keep him without overpaying

There's a difference between supporting a hardworking player who makes 3m/year and signing him for near-max money. I don't see any Piston fan wanting to keep him for 4/80, even before Bradley.

Someone give me a good reason! I feel like I must be missing something. I looked at this college stats at Georgia and they were pretty mediocre too.

What does the amount of money he makes matter to you? Seriously? I'm not trying to be an **** I just don't understand why its so important when as a fan, it should be the last thing I'm worried about.

The only thing that matters is that the Piston fans enjoyed KCP as a player and liked what he brought to the team. That's what they're their to judge.

How are we as fans qualified to judge the financial parts of transactions? I just always think it's funny to see people literally judging contracts based on the contract they would've given. Like when did you become a GM?

Im not saying that the salary doesn't matter, or the flexibility doesn't matter. I'm just saying that on this board its factored WAY too much into opinions.

I know the sites called RealGM, but we're not actually RealGMs. They way I see salary and flexibility held in such a high regard I swear some people actually forget that.

We're fans. We should want to see the team improve. We should be happy that our owner didn't get scared by the Billy King disaster and that the money is still flowing.

This is a disingenuous statement. If money doesn't matter, then no fan would ever discuss contract terms. We'd just talk names. Every player's value is relative to their contract.

Pistons fans loved KCP not only because he was a hard worker but ALSO because he was a hard worker who made $3m/year.

[moonpie]

How much money could be cleared to offer KCP if Washington doesn't match Porter?

Dumping Booker should do it

Ah that's right forgot about Booker. I'm assuming Hamilton is expendable as well?

[Ror1997]

KCP was top 25 in 3P made last year. Now imagine KCP in a 3 point oriented offense?

[Ror1997]

How much money could be cleared to offer KCP if Washington doesn't match Porter?

Dumping Booker should do it

Ah that's right forgot about Booker. I'm assuming Hamilton is expendable as well?[/quote

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[Sleepyazn]

KCP was top 25 in 3P made last year. Now imagine KCP in a 3 point oriented offense?

Yeah and he was also ranked 50/60 of all shooting guards in 3 point percentage. That just screams (Please Use More Appropriate Word) chucker.

[Ror1997]

This is a disingenuous statement. If money doesn't matter, then no fan would ever discuss contract terms. We'd just talk names. Every player's value is relative to their contract.

Pistons fans loved KCP not only because he was a hard worker but ALSO because he was a hard worker who made $3m/year.

And what impact do our conversations about salary have on what happens in the NBA? Nothing. They're irrelevant. There is no point in talking salary. We do it because we're bored. Whats your point

and like I said in my post. I never said money didn't matter.

I'm saying you, and plenty of other people are literally basing their opinion of a player around their salary. First thing a player is judged for is their salary and not production? Its just silly.

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[Paradise]

I love this time of the year. Everyone cherry picks stats.

Pope also had a playoff average of 15/4/3. Shot 44% FG / 44% 3pt / 57.2 TS%.

I posted it in another thread but the comparison of KCP and Porter's assisted shots paints a clear picture of the drastic difference between John Wall and Reggie Jackson and a slow pace offense.

By no means, I expect greatness but the man isn't a scrub and he's never been on a 20 win team. There is a very small competitive market for young 3&D upside players. Regardless of position.


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[NyCeEvO]

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Wow.

Cap space is the MVP this offseason

The one saving grace is that the Knicks can't get him either because of the THJ deal. Hopefully we give him a verbal offer and he's ok with waiting

I'd be highly surprised if ATL matches. However, in the event that they do, they probably aren't going to do the same 6-day song and dance that WAS is supposedly prepared to do to get us back for creating such a punitive offer sheet.

If ATL matches and doesn't force NYK to wait, they have 4 days to negotiate with KCP without us being a threat to the fray.

[ChokeFasncists]

doh forgot he was renounced so that means no S&T either right?

Ya, looks like Detroit doesn't want to repeat the Monroe situation and/or is pissed off at KCP's agent. This would de-leverage them.

[Ror1997]

KCP was top 25 in 3P made last year. Now imagine KCP in a 3 point oriented offense?

Yeah and he was also ranked 50/60 of all shooting guards in 3 point percentage. That just screams (Please Use More Appropriate Word) chucker.

I literally said imagine KCP in a 3 point oriented offense in my post...

[Roy Tarpley]

This is a disingenuous statement. If money doesn't matter, then no fan would ever discuss contract terms. We'd just talk names. Every player's value is relative to their contract.

Pistons fans loved KCP not only because he was a hard worker but ALSO because he was a hard worker who made $3m/year.

And what impact do our conversations about salary have on what happens in the NBA? Nothing. They're irrelevant. There is no point in talking salary. We do it because we're bored. Whats your point

And what impact do our conversations about players have on what happens in the NBA? Nothing. They're irrelevant. There is no point talking players. We do it because we're bored. Whats your point

[Roy Tarpley]

This is a disingenuous statement. If money doesn't matter, then no fan would ever discuss contract terms. We'd just talk names. Every player's value is relative to their contract.

Pistons fans loved KCP not only because he was a hard worker but ALSO because he was a hard worker who made $3m/year.

And what impact do our conversations about salary have on what happens in the NBA? Nothing. They're irrelevant. There is no point in talking salary. We do it because we're bored. Whats your point

And what impact do our conversations about players have on what happens in the NBA? Nothing. They're irrelevant. There is no point in talking players. We do it because we're bored. Whats your point

[CalamityX12]

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jesus that scared me LOL

I began reading, "wizards have withdrawn..."

i almost fainted.....

[Netaman]

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Good news, bad news situation there. Good news is if he's holding out for max money there's less competition and he's not signing before tomorrow. Bad news is we drift back to potentially overpaying. Anything at or under what THJ just got is great, really wouldn't want to go over that though.

[Mkdaman1818]

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jesus that scared me LOL

I began reading, "wizards have withdrawn..."

i almost fainted.....

There's virtually no chance now that Washington doesn't match Otto

[moonpie]

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