Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[shakendfries]

I think it's reasonable to think that the Nets should continue to be in asset acquisition mode until 2020, and in the 2019 draft they'll be in the high lotto, then in 2020 they'll be in the late lotto - teens pick, and then we've got a real team established by then... beyond just having a core of 3-4 guys.

me when the 2019 prospect thread was created

[MrDollarBills]

The idea seems to be holding onto these guys to build more value. We can possibly flip a lot these like DMC, Joey at the next deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already trying to position themselves to tank for Reddish and RJ Barrett.


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yeah if the Nets plan to tank in 2019 i'm done. whats the point of watching this team if this is even remotely in their plans? how many years of being trash should we have to be.

if this is the strategy, and all of this is a waste of time.

Don't be surprised if it happens. Are we ready to commit $60mil to DLo, Dinwiddie & RHJ, and then big money to LeVert the following year? We have some nice pieces, but even if they all keep developing, I don't see this core competing with Boston, Philly or Milwaukee in a few years. So what are the options? Grow into mediocrity, combine a few young guys to try and trade for a star, or trade a few young guys for picks, tank & draft high, and then try to add a star with cap space or via trade? As painful as it would be to stretch out the rebuild, the last option is likely the safest/smartest option.

I think the 2020 offseason might be the targeted point for a big move in time. DWill, Mozgov & Crabbe will all be off the books. Allen will still be on his rookie deal, and LeVert will have a reasonable cap hold. That also allows for 2 years of our own picks, and to potentially take on more salary dumps utilizing the soon to be expirings of Lin & Carroll. We can debate who the future core should be, but let's say we hypothetically get 1sts for RHJ & Dinwiddie, retain DLo, acquire at least one additional salary dump 1st, have top 7 picks in 2019 & 2020 & have cap space for two maxes in 2020. At that point, things look extremely bright.

Hinkie's process started in 2013 & it's just starting to bear fruit (after 4 seasons). He started from a much better base. To think Marks could turn things around faster starting with no picks is unrealistic. At least we've gotten an enjoyable product to watch this year, but we'll likely have to take a step backwards before being able to take two leaps forward.

This plan falls right on its face the moment we start talking about having two max slots for 2020 on a team that is in the bottom 7 in 2019 and 2020. Max level free agents aren't going to come to a Nets team that has been a bottom 6 team for 10 years. I'm not saying this about you, but in general I have always found the idea that the Nets are going to be signing max free agents coming off of losing seasons to be delusional.

Tanking also does not guarantee a superstar will fall into the Nets laps either. I remember the sting of not getting the 1st pick after enduring a 12-70 season.

Anyway, if this is the Nets' plan, to kick the can down the road, Marks will be fired just like Hinkie was before it yields fruit.

[bws94]

But I think they can make bank in 2019 too. They'll def be in the lottery next year with their own pick (top 8?), and then they might be able to move Lin and/or Carroll to get another pick in the same draft (18-22 range maybe?).

Having 2 strong rookies after next season would be amazing but it also means more dead money would be coming back through 2020, which probably means another solid pick in 2020.

Real talk tho. Since Lin signed the option. Doesn't it make sense to trade him draft night for that extra 1st rd. pick and shed 12.5M off the salary? like the Thadeus deal.

That's be an good situation... but don't you think other GMs might be hesitant to take him back for the year, even as an expiring, if he hasn't shown anything within the last year?

I'd say hold out, let him come back and play a few months with the Nets, then around Jan look to trade him for salary and a 2019 1st. That way Marks and Co. can really dive deep into analyzing the '19 draft class, having 2 picks then.

Do this with either him OR Carroll.

What if the team is playoff bound and Lin is a big part of why? That's not outside of the realm of possibility due to the growing skill of the young players and Lin's play.

[LKIRNets]

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[Claud]

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Cavs pick won't be very enticing. If it was our pick back for Din + Filler that's another story.

[LKIRNets]

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Cavs pick won't be very enticing. If it was our pick back for Din + Filler that's another story.

they were trying to make us tank to up the lotto.

[TheNetsFan]

yeah if the Nets plan to tank in 2019 i'm done. whats the point of watching this team if this is even remotely in their plans? how many years of being trash should we have to be.

if this is the strategy, and all of this is a waste of time.

Don't be surprised if it happens. Are we ready to commit $60mil to DLo, Dinwiddie & RHJ, and then big money to LeVert the following year? We have some nice pieces, but even if they all keep developing, I don't see this core competing with Boston, Philly or Milwaukee in a few years. So what are the options? Grow into mediocrity, combine a few young guys to try and trade for a star, or trade a few young guys for picks, tank & draft high, and then try to add a star with cap space or via trade? As painful as it would be to stretch out the rebuild, the last option is likely the safest/smartest option.

I think the 2020 offseason might be the targeted point for a big move in time. DWill, Mozgov & Crabbe will all be off the books. Allen will still be on his rookie deal, and LeVert will have a reasonable cap hold. That also allows for 2 years of our own picks, and to potentially take on more salary dumps utilizing the soon to be expirings of Lin & Carroll. We can debate who the future core should be, but let's say we hypothetically get 1sts for RHJ & Dinwiddie, retain DLo, acquire at least one additional salary dump 1st, have top 7 picks in 2019 & 2020 & have cap space for two maxes in 2020. At that point, things look extremely bright.

Hinkie's process started in 2013 & it's just starting to bear fruit (after 4 seasons). He started from a much better base. To think Marks could turn things around faster starting with no picks is unrealistic. At least we've gotten an enjoyable product to watch this year, but we'll likely have to take a step backwards before being able to take two leaps forward.

This plan falls right on its face the moment we start talking about having two max slots for 2020 on a team that is in the bottom 7 in 2019 and 2020. Max level free agents aren't going to come to a Nets team that has been a bottom 6 team for 10 years. I'm not saying this about you, but in general I have always found the idea that the Nets are going to be signing max free agents coming off of losing seasons to be delusional.

Tanking also does not guarantee a superstar will fall into the Nets laps either. I remember the sting of not getting the 1st pick after enduring a 12-70 season.

Anyway, if this is the Nets' plan, to kick the can down the road, Marks will be fired just like Hinkie was before it yields fruit.

Even if we don't SIGN a free agent, having 2 max slots, an army of rookie deals & a trove of draft picks opens up enormous opportunities in the trade market. There's more than one way to use cap space.

[Prokorov]

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Cavs pick won't be very enticing. If it was our pick back for Din + Filler that's another story.

I think the safe assumption on the cavs pick would be like the 24-28 range.

I'm sure that an offer for a pick in that range will still be available to us on draft day if we want it... and by waiting we get to see how contract talks with dinwiddie go and how he finishes the year.

smart by marks to hold out for more.

[LKIRNets]

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Cavs pick won't be very enticing. If it was our pick back for Din + Filler that's another story.

I think the safe assumption on the cavs pick would be like the 24-28 range.

I'm sure that an offer for a pick in that range will still be available to us on draft day if we want it... and by waiting we get to see how contract talks with dinwiddie go and how he finishes the year.

smart by marks to hold out for more.

Prok they were trying to rob us blind. I think King does that deal wit out realizing how we'd play poor after it and make their pick from top 10 to top 5.

[TheNetsFan]

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Cavs pick won't be very enticing. If it was our pick back for Din + Filler that's another story.

I think the safe assumption on the cavs pick would be like the 24-28 range.

I'm sure that an offer for a pick in that range will still be available to us on draft day if we want it... and by waiting we get to see how contract talks with dinwiddie go and how he finishes the year.

smart by marks to hold out for more.

If it was a pick in the teens, I think the deal would've gotten done.

[MGrand15]

The idea seems to be holding onto these guys to build more value. We can possibly flip a lot these like DMC, Joey at the next deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already trying to position themselves to tank for Reddish and RJ Barrett.


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yeah if the Nets plan to tank in 2019 i'm done. whats the point of watching this team if this is even remotely in their plans? how many years of being trash should we have to be.

if this is the strategy, and all of this is a waste of time.

Be careful. You're creeping into FAKE fan territory. Prokorov will show you the door if you keep this up

[Prokorov]

I'm not entire against the Idea of Trading D'angelo Russell for a pick in the late lotto/early teens.

Look I get he is 21 and has barely played here. And I'd be fine holding on to him. But I look at this team and Combo Gaurd is a strength and a position we can lock down relatively cheap going forward (Levert/Dinwiddie). Then I see a pretty big void at SF for a guy who can score 20+ and create his own offense as a 2-way guy. thats really what we are missing. that jimmy butler/kawai type (not necessarily as good as them but that mold of player).

I have my reservations that Russell Will be more of a Monte Ellis/Beal type then a Harden Type and that we will have to pay him big money before we ever find out.

I'm all for Keeping RHJ on bazemore type money and Levert when his time comes too... but im not sure I want to go like 5/130 for Russell if i can get a lottery pick and 3 years at rookie scale.

If we did that we would REALLY be looking good headed into 2019-2020 with Carroll/Crabbe/Mozgov coming off the books and the only big salary would be RHJ and maybe Levert if extended with The Mayor on like a 4/45 type deal maybe? Also would be able to bring Harris back then.

Dinwiddie | Levert | [ROOKIE] | RHJ | Allen

Whitehead/ROOKIE | Harris | Stauskus | Cunningham | Okafor

MAX + Caproom

first rounder this year - Pick #27 (via Raptors)
first rounder this year - Lotto pick (via team who gets russell)

2020 first - our own we control
2021 first - our own we control

I think there is ALOT of merit to taking this path.

With how marks has drafted giving him 2 picks in this draft and our own pick in 2020 and asking him to find our version of jimmy butler/george/kawai?

I like the odds of Marks being able to draft/sign/trade for our future all-star SF with 3 picks and max cap room then i do giving russell 130 million and hoping it works out

[JiggaMan06]

Cleveland must think Mark was really simple to even consider that deal. Hope our pick falls at the 8-10 range and they take a Tweener lol

[Prokorov]

The idea seems to be holding onto these guys to build more value. We can possibly flip a lot these like DMC, Joey at the next deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already trying to position themselves to tank for Reddish and RJ Barrett.


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yeah if the Nets plan to tank in 2019 i'm done. whats the point of watching this team if this is even remotely in their plans? how many years of being trash should we have to be.

if this is the strategy, and all of this is a waste of time.

Be careful. You're creeping into FAKE fan territory. Prokorov will show you the door if you keep this up

I'm with him. the day the nets tank im out.

I'm fine with a poor record and focusing on development. but the day we start losing on purpose or hindering development for a higher pick im done

[MGrand15]

yeah if the Nets plan to tank in 2019 i'm done. whats the point of watching this team if this is even remotely in their plans? how many years of being trash should we have to be.

if this is the strategy, and all of this is a waste of time.

Be careful. You're creeping into FAKE fan territory. Prokorov will show you the door if you keep this up

I'm with him. the day the nets tank im out.

I'm fine with a poor record and focusing on development. but the day we start losing on purpose or hindering development for a higher pick im done

Teams that tank absolutely focus on development. MDB won't bite, you can disagree with him.

[TheNetsFan]

yeah if the Nets plan to tank in 2019 i'm done. whats the point of watching this team if this is even remotely in their plans? how many years of being trash should we have to be.

if this is the strategy, and all of this is a waste of time.

Be careful. You're creeping into FAKE fan territory. Prokorov will show you the door if you keep this up

I'm with him. the day the nets tank im out.

I'm fine with a poor record and focusing on development. but the day we start losing on purpose or hindering development for a higher pick im done

What if the tank was due to trading 2 of RHJ, Dinwiddie or DLo for good picks? Nobody is saying to lose games on purpose, rather sell assets for future assets that will ensure we draft high when we have our picks.

[Prokorov]

Be careful. You're creeping into FAKE fan territory. Prokorov will show you the door if you keep this up

I'm with him. the day the nets tank im out.

I'm fine with a poor record and focusing on development. but the day we start losing on purpose or hindering development for a higher pick im done

Teams that tank absolutely focus on development. MDB won't bite, you can disagree with him.

Tell that to Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor, and Michael Carter Williams.

Tanking is usually in detriment to development.

[Prokorov]

Be careful. You're creeping into FAKE fan territory. Prokorov will show you the door if you keep this up

I'm with him. the day the nets tank im out.

I'm fine with a poor record and focusing on development. but the day we start losing on purpose or hindering development for a higher pick im done

What if the tank was due to trading 2 of RHJ, Dinwiddie or DLo for good picks? Nobody is saying to lose games on purpose, rather sell assets for future assets that will ensure we draft high when we have our picks.

i'd be fine with that. As mentioned, I'd be leaning toward being in favor of moving Russell. Dinwiddie/RHJ would depend on projected salary.

[MGrand15]

I'm with him. the day the nets tank im out.

I'm fine with a poor record and focusing on development. but the day we start losing on purpose or hindering development for a higher pick im done

Teams that tank absolutely focus on development. MDB won't bite, you can disagree with him.

Tell that to Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor, and Michael Carter Williams.

Tanking is usually in detriment to development.

3 guys with 1 foot out of the league are your examples? TJ McConnell, Covington, TLC, Dario Saric, Jerami Grant, and Richaun Holmes were all developed nicely. Philly wasn't interested in developing dogs

[steady]

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Cavs pick won't be very enticing. If it was our pick back for Din + Filler that's another story.

I think the safe assumption on the cavs pick would be like the 24-28 range.

I'm sure that an offer for a pick in that range will still be available to us on draft day if we want it... and by waiting we get to see how contract talks with dinwiddie go and how he finishes the year.

smart by marks to hold out for more.

ITA. A team is lucky to get a solid rotation player from a pick in the low 20s. Din is much better than that.