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Post#1981 » by Pistolpete1947 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:22 pm

IF Lin comes back healthy and IF he and Brook and Booker stay healthy I predict there will be a lot of shocked people on this forum. Let's all hope I'm right.
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Post#1982 » by JayJayFor3 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:25 pm

Lin fans might like this article from NYPost. :D

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/the-scary-stats-that-prove-how-much-the-nets-need-jeremy-lin/

The Nets aren’t saying when injured Jeremy Lin will be able to play again. But it can’t be soon enough. They were 2-3 with their starting point guard, but have lost six of eight without him. And the advanced statistics tell an even grizzlier story.

With Lin on the court, the Nets’ offensive rating is a 109.3 and their defensive rating is 107.4, for a respectable plus-1.8. But without their floor leader, their ratings change to 103.6 and 109.0 for a terrible minus-5.7.

In short, Lin’s presence is worth 7.2 points every 100 possessions. That’s a game-changer, and his absence since Nov. 2 has been just that for the Nets.
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Post#1983 » by Paradise » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:35 pm

I think the Nets are testing out his hammy to reduce the chance of him re injuring it on the court and also helping him get his conditioning back.

Sounds to me like another week away.

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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1984 » by DeRoma » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:55 pm

Pistolpete1947 wrote:IF Lin comes back healthy and IF he and Brook and Booker stay healthy I predict there will be a lot of shocked people on this forum. Let's all hope I'm right.

Well.... with Lin in the line up just gives us improvement all-around. Talent-wise he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be a great defender. However IMO he will still dramatically improve our defense. Where the improvement lies on is his assertion on controlling the tempo of the game i.e. better offensive efficiency. If we can have a better offensive efficiency, there are less chance of our team turning the ball over that forces our team to play in a higher tempo i.e. why teams are scoring so high against us). A better offensive scheme also gives us more chances to get back on defense given that if we score more in play calls, it forces teams to take out the ball given that we can score more frequently on our offensive sets. This also makes the rest of our team have less responsibilities on offense and focus their abilities on defense. This also greatly benefits our SG position with SK having a lesser role. We will still have problem with the lack of talent in our front court but it should be better.

I just really hope he comes back quicker given that we are already exposed on our lack of defensive and offensive talent.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1985 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:43 pm

JayJayFor3 wrote:Lin fans might like this article from NYPost. :D

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/the-scary-stats-that-prove-how-much-the-nets-need-jeremy-lin/

The Nets aren’t saying when injured Jeremy Lin will be able to play again. But it can’t be soon enough. They were 2-3 with their starting point guard, but have lost six of eight without him. And the advanced statistics tell an even grizzlier story.

With Lin on the court, the Nets’ offensive rating is a 109.3 and their defensive rating is 107.4, for a respectable plus-1.8. But without their floor leader, their ratings change to 103.6 and 109.0 for a terrible minus-5.7.

In short, Lin’s presence is worth 7.2 points every 100 possessions. That’s a game-changer, and his absence since Nov. 2 has been just that for the Nets.


Hell, Nets fans should be excited to see this. That means we're getting a serious boost once he hits the floor.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1986 » by Pistolpete1947 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:57 pm

Paradise wrote:I think the Nets are testing out his hammy to reduce the chance of him re injuring it on the court and also helping him get his conditioning back.

Sounds to me like another week away.

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Thanks for the information. Sounds good - seems like he's getting close to returning.
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Post#1987 » by Prokorov » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:00 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
JayJayFor3 wrote:Lin fans might like this article from NYPost. :D

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/the-scary-stats-that-prove-how-much-the-nets-need-jeremy-lin/

The Nets aren’t saying when injured Jeremy Lin will be able to play again. But it can’t be soon enough. They were 2-3 with their starting point guard, but have lost six of eight without him. And the advanced statistics tell an even grizzlier story.

With Lin on the court, the Nets’ offensive rating is a 109.3 and their defensive rating is 107.4, for a respectable plus-1.8. But without their floor leader, their ratings change to 103.6 and 109.0 for a terrible minus-5.7.

In short, Lin’s presence is worth 7.2 points every 100 possessions. That’s a game-changer, and his absence since Nov. 2 has been just that for the Nets.


Hell, Nets fans should be excited to see this. That means we're getting a serious boost once he hits the floor.


yea, its a big impact, we currently are starting a 2nd round rookie, undrafted rookie, and d-league veteran at PG :banghead:
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Post#1988 » by playteamball » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:16 pm

DeRoma wrote:
Pistolpete1947 wrote:IF Lin comes back healthy and IF he and Brook and Booker stay healthy I predict there will be a lot of shocked people on this forum. Let's all hope I'm right.

Well.... with Lin in the line up just gives us improvement all-around. Talent-wise he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be a great defender. However IMO he will still dramatically improve our defense. Where the improvement lies on is his assertion on controlling the tempo of the game i.e. better offensive efficiency. If we can have a better offensive efficiency, there are less chance of our team turning the ball over that forces our team to play in a higher tempo i.e. why teams are scoring so high against us). A better offensive scheme also gives us more chances to get back on defense given that if we score more in play calls, it forces teams to take out the ball given that we can score more frequently on our offensive sets. This also makes the rest of our team have less responsibilities on offense and focus their abilities on defense. This also greatly benefits our SG position with SK having a lesser role. We will still have problem with the lack of talent in our front court but it should be better.

I just really hope he comes back quicker given that we are already exposed on our lack of defensive and offensive talent.


I agree with you generally but disagree with this statement, which is one of the false "observations" perpetrated by certain media members. At his size, his lateral quickness is right up there with the quickest players of his size in the game. Just like I'm guessing you wouldn't say that Jason Kidd (another big point guard) lacked the talent to be a great defender. If you compared Lin or Kidd (or even Lebron) with a 5'9" or 6'0" point guard, of course those little point guards would have more lateral quickness, but that does not mean that the bigger players lack the talent to be great defenders.
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Post#1989 » by GoodDayLa » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:23 am

Lin's almost at the point where he's missed so many games, my prediction of playoffs cannot materialize. Even my "ludicrous" predictions of playoffs required he plays over 70+ games as I previously stated. If he misses more than that, it gets very troubling.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1990 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:34 am

GoodDayLa wrote:Lin's almost at the point where he's missed so many games, my prediction of playoffs cannot materialize. Even my "ludicrous" predictions of playoffs required he plays over 70+ games as I previously stated. If he misses more than that, it gets very troubling.


It's november, and we have 4 wins. let's see how december goes before the doom and gloom starts.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1991 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:36 am

playteamball wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
Pistolpete1947 wrote:IF Lin comes back healthy and IF he and Brook and Booker stay healthy I predict there will be a lot of shocked people on this forum. Let's all hope I'm right.

Well.... with Lin in the line up just gives us improvement all-around. Talent-wise he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be a great defender. However IMO he will still dramatically improve our defense. Where the improvement lies on is his assertion on controlling the tempo of the game i.e. better offensive efficiency. If we can have a better offensive efficiency, there are less chance of our team turning the ball over that forces our team to play in a higher tempo i.e. why teams are scoring so high against us). A better offensive scheme also gives us more chances to get back on defense given that if we score more in play calls, it forces teams to take out the ball given that we can score more frequently on our offensive sets. This also makes the rest of our team have less responsibilities on offense and focus their abilities on defense. This also greatly benefits our SG position with SK having a lesser role. We will still have problem with the lack of talent in our front court but it should be better.

I just really hope he comes back quicker given that we are already exposed on our lack of defensive and offensive talent.


I agree with you generally but disagree with this statement, which is one of the false "observations" perpetrated by certain media members. At his size, his lateral quickness is right up there with the quickest players of his size in the game. Just like I'm guessing you wouldn't say that Jason Kidd (another big point guard) lacked the talent to be a great defender. If you compared Lin or Kidd (or even Lebron) with a 5'9" or 6'0" point guard, of course those little point guards would have more lateral quickness, but that does not mean that the bigger players lack the talent to be great defenders.


Most PGs can't stay in front of each other...it's kind of moot.

That said, Jason Kidd was a better team defender than he was a one on one guy
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Post#1992 » by DeRoma » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:43 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
playteamball wrote:
DeRoma wrote:Well.... with Lin in the line up just gives us improvement all-around. Talent-wise he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be a great defender. However IMO he will still dramatically improve our defense. Where the improvement lies on is his assertion on controlling the tempo of the game i.e. better offensive efficiency. If we can have a better offensive efficiency, there are less chance of our team turning the ball over that forces our team to play in a higher tempo i.e. why teams are scoring so high against us). A better offensive scheme also gives us more chances to get back on defense given that if we score more in play calls, it forces teams to take out the ball given that we can score more frequently on our offensive sets. This also makes the rest of our team have less responsibilities on offense and focus their abilities on defense. This also greatly benefits our SG position with SK having a lesser role. We will still have problem with the lack of talent in our front court but it should be better.

I just really hope he comes back quicker given that we are already exposed on our lack of defensive and offensive talent.


I agree with you generally but disagree with this statement, which is one of the false "observations" perpetrated by certain media members. At his size, his lateral quickness is right up there with the quickest players of his size in the game. Just like I'm guessing you wouldn't say that Jason Kidd (another big point guard) lacked the talent to be a great defender. If you compared Lin or Kidd (or even Lebron) with a 5'9" or 6'0" point guard, of course those little point guards would have more lateral quickness, but that does not mean that the bigger players lack the talent to be great defenders.


Most PGs can't stay in front of each other...it's kind of moot.

That said, Jason Kidd was a better team defender than he was a one on one guy


He was also really strong and knew how to contest shots.
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Post#1994 » by bws94 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:38 am

playteamball wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
Pistolpete1947 wrote:IF Lin comes back healthy and IF he and Brook and Booker stay healthy I predict there will be a lot of shocked people on this forum. Let's all hope I'm right.

Well.... with Lin in the line up just gives us improvement all-around. Talent-wise he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be a great defender. However IMO he will still dramatically improve our defense. Where the improvement lies on is his assertion on controlling the tempo of the game i.e. better offensive efficiency. If we can have a better offensive efficiency, there are less chance of our team turning the ball over that forces our team to play in a higher tempo i.e. why teams are scoring so high against us). A better offensive scheme also gives us more chances to get back on defense given that if we score more in play calls, it forces teams to take out the ball given that we can score more frequently on our offensive sets. This also makes the rest of our team have less responsibilities on offense and focus their abilities on defense. This also greatly benefits our SG position with SK having a lesser role. We will still have problem with the lack of talent in our front court but it should be better.

I just really hope he comes back quicker given that we are already exposed on our lack of defensive and offensive talent.


I agree with you generally but disagree with this statement, which is one of the false "observations" perpetrated by certain media members. At his size, his lateral quickness is right up there with the quickest players of his size in the game. Just like I'm guessing you wouldn't say that Jason Kidd (another big point guard) lacked the talent to be a great defender. If you compared Lin or Kidd (or even Lebron) with a 5'9" or 6'0" point guard, of course those little point guards would have more lateral quickness, but that does not mean that the bigger players lack the talent to be great defenders.


Lin doesn't have great lateral quickness because he doesn't. But he's a good defender. Russell Westbrook is Lin's height or a bit taller. He's got lateral quickness.
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Post#1995 » by uballer » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:50 am

bws94 wrote:
playteamball wrote:
DeRoma wrote:Well.... with Lin in the line up just gives us improvement all-around. Talent-wise he doesn't have the lateral quickness to be a great defender. However IMO he will still dramatically improve our defense. Where the improvement lies on is his assertion on controlling the tempo of the game i.e. better offensive efficiency. If we can have a better offensive efficiency, there are less chance of our team turning the ball over that forces our team to play in a higher tempo i.e. why teams are scoring so high against us). A better offensive scheme also gives us more chances to get back on defense given that if we score more in play calls, it forces teams to take out the ball given that we can score more frequently on our offensive sets. This also makes the rest of our team have less responsibilities on offense and focus their abilities on defense. This also greatly benefits our SG position with SK having a lesser role. We will still have problem with the lack of talent in our front court but it should be better.

I just really hope he comes back quicker given that we are already exposed on our lack of defensive and offensive talent.


I agree with you generally but disagree with this statement, which is one of the false "observations" perpetrated by certain media members. At his size, his lateral quickness is right up there with the quickest players of his size in the game. Just like I'm guessing you wouldn't say that Jason Kidd (another big point guard) lacked the talent to be a great defender. If you compared Lin or Kidd (or even Lebron) with a 5'9" or 6'0" point guard, of course those little point guards would have more lateral quickness, but that does not mean that the bigger players lack the talent to be great defenders.


Lin doesn't have great lateral quickness because he doesn't. But he's a good defender. Russell Westbrook is Lin's height or a bit taller. He's got lateral quickness.


Do you have any references/stats indicating that Westbrook has better lateral quickness?
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Post#1996 » by fafan » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:50 am

Jeremy Lin (hamstring) was spotted going through a hard 45-minute workout during Monday's practice.

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Post#1997 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:06 pm

Wednesday could possibly be the day
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Post#1998 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:45 pm

We are very close to the day when we have both Lin and Levert playing! The thought is mind boggling.
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Post#1999 » by bws94 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:49 pm

uballer wrote:
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playteamball wrote:
I agree with you generally but disagree with this statement, which is one of the false "observations" perpetrated by certain media members. At his size, his lateral quickness is right up there with the quickest players of his size in the game. Just like I'm guessing you wouldn't say that Jason Kidd (another big point guard) lacked the talent to be a great defender. If you compared Lin or Kidd (or even Lebron) with a 5'9" or 6'0" point guard, of course those little point guards would have more lateral quickness, but that does not mean that the bigger players lack the talent to be great defenders.


Lin doesn't have great lateral quickness because he doesn't. But he's a good defender. Russell Westbrook is Lin's height or a bit taller. He's got lateral quickness.


Do you have any references/stats indicating that Westbrook has better lateral quickness?


I don't have stats. I have to go by the eye test. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Lin has exceptional speed and first step, but the lateral quickness is just ok.
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Post#2000 » by TTNN » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:03 am

bws94 wrote:
uballer wrote:
bws94 wrote:
Lin doesn't have great lateral quickness because he doesn't. But he's a good defender. Russell Westbrook is Lin's height or a bit taller. He's got lateral quickness.


Do you have any references/stats indicating that Westbrook has better lateral quickness?


I don't have stats. I have to go by the eye test. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Lin has exceptional speed and first step, but the lateral quickness is just ok.


LOL, nice way to argue.

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