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Post#21 » by enetric » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:59 pm

jeff1624 wrote:Not really getting this sudden Craig Smith obsession all of you seem to have. He's solid, but he's hardly a must have type player. Just give Outlaw, james, humphries and Favors all the minutes at the 4. I rather just stick with the current team we have and leave enough cap space in case a Chris Paul deal surfaces and we have to take back Okafor.



Amen brother. Amen.

And Mik....your comments on Wilcox made me laugh. You are abaolutely right with regard to that obsession with the upside of a player. It was constant on this board back in the day for Wilcox. Everyone wanted him...was sure he was the answer.
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Post#22 » by demens » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:07 pm

jeff1624 wrote:Not really getting this sudden Craig Smith obsession all of you seem to have. He's solid, but he's hardly a must have type player. Just give Outlaw, james, humphries and Favors all the minutes at the 4. I rather just stick with the current team we have and leave enough cap space in case a Chris Paul deal surfaces and we have to take back Okafor.


I dont get the obsession with playing a 6'7 225 lbs guy at PF. Or a 6'9 207 one at that. And who exactly is suppose to start out of all of them? The obsession with Craig Smith is self explanatory if you look at what PFs are left in Free Agency, he's actually 1 thats capable of starting. And yes, i'm serious, look at the list and compare him to to whats left.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#23 » by Preludepunk27 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:19 pm

mikhailjordan wrote::lol:

You're missing the point I was making Prelude, for years Nets fans thought Stromile Swift or Chris Wilcox would be their savior and year after year they'd clamor for one of the two... I hope that this Craig Smith obsession doesn't develop into something like that for this fanbase.


Were you on this board when we traded for Stro? I don't know anyone besides Ragtime that hailed Stro as God's gift to the Nets. We all viewed it as the absolutely last ditch effort to give JKdd an athletic big man to play with. I wouldn't call anyone of us excited about it, but it was intriguing. But I think you're overstating the thoughts of the people on this board if you were around at that point.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#24 » by enetric » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:23 pm

The obsession is with the big picture. Minutes for tradeable assets. For prospects. For guys who can either develop and help us on the court long term or as pieces to a trade for someone who can help us BIG TIME. What you are hearing fromt he majority is the reality that winning 12, games, 20 games, 25 games...all means lottery. Worrying about the difference between those win totals is like worrying how dead you are. DEAD IS DEAD. And Craig Smith, Will Smith or Smith and Wesson isnt going to change that ****.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#25 » by enetric » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:26 pm

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mikhailjordan wrote::lol:

You're missing the point I was making Prelude, for years Nets fans thought Stromile Swift or Chris Wilcox would be their savior and year after year they'd clamor for one of the two... I hope that this Craig Smith obsession doesn't develop into something like that for this fanbase.


Were you on this board when we traded for Stro? I don't know anyone besides Ragtime that hailed Stro as God's gift to the Nets. We all viewed it as the absolutely last ditch effort to give JKdd an athletic big man to play with. I wouldn't call anyone of us excited about it, but it was intriguing. But I think you're overstating the thoughts of the people on this board if you were around at that point.



I dont recall anyone being excited about Swift either. Wilcox? Yeah. He got too much love here.

In fact...I didnt even remember that we had him. Had to look it up! 21 games for Swift off the bench...totally forgot.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#26 » by jeff1624 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:32 pm

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jeff1624 wrote:Not really getting this sudden Craig Smith obsession all of you seem to have. He's solid, but he's hardly a must have type player. Just give Outlaw, james, humphries and Favors all the minutes at the 4. I rather just stick with the current team we have and leave enough cap space in case a Chris Paul deal surfaces and we have to take back Okafor.


I dont get the obsession with playing a 6'7 225 lbs guy at PF. Or a 6'9 207 one at that. And who exactly is suppose to start out of all of them? The obsession with Craig Smith is self explanatory if you look at what PFs are left in Free Agency, he's actually 1 thats capable of starting. And yes, i'm serious, look at the list and compare him to to whats left.



Craig smith is a 6'7 PF that weighs 260 pounds. He'll get eaten up by other taller and faster PFs in the league.

Really.. what can Craig smith do at the 4 that Outlaw and James can't do? Is he an outstanding rebounder.. no, shot blocker... no.

Outlaw could duplicate whatever Smith does offensively and even more since he's taller, quicker and can space the floor since he has more range. James, well.. from what I've read, he's a solid rebounder, great hustle player who'll give it his all defensively every game. They could both handle 8-12 minutes at the 4. With Humphries and Favors getting the rest of the minutes.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#27 » by demens » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:41 pm

jeff1624 wrote:Craig smith is a 6'7 PF that weighs 260 pounds. He'll get eaten up by other taller and faster PFs in the league.

Really.. what can Craig smith do at the 4 that Outlaw and James can't do? Is he an outstanding rebounder.. no, shot blocker... no.


Craig Smith can play PF which James can't do and Outlaw cant defend. We dont need him to be an outstanding rebounder or a shot blocker. He just needs to play minutes and not be a liability. Outlaw can be effective on offense, yes, in spot minutes and the right match-up he can play. James playing PF is just laughable. Cause he rebounds well, hustles? Play Twitt at PF in that case.

6'7 260 > 6'7 225.
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Post#28 » by mikhailjordan » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:53 pm

So what would your minute breakdown look like with Craig Smith on the roster demens?

(240 minutes total that you can divide up however you want)
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#29 » by demens » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:36 pm

mikhailjordan wrote:So what would your minute breakdown look like with Craig Smith on the roster demens?

(240 minutes total that you can divide up however you want)



I have no idea what the perimeter rotation is gonna look like, i've said this before, i think Damion Jones is **** on this one and will get NO MINUTES at all, at any position. 2 other guys on the perimeter will have to take significant cuts in PT (Morrow/Twitt/Farmar are the candidates), I dont see Devin, Lee or Outlaw getting less then last year.

Now the big guy rotation is very simple.

PF: Smith (18 "the stater" ala Chuck Hayes)/Favors (15 to start, 1st big off the bench)/ Humph (18 like last year, "the closer")
C: Brook (36)/ Petro (9)

Outlaw can play 10 minutes at the 4 over any of the 3 guys in the rotation if he has the match-up advantage. I would also use Humph ahead of Petro at C. To me Humphries is the 2nd best big men on the roster as of right NOW. But i think starting him is a terrible idea, we need the energy off the bench. Its either him or Smith that will end up closing games with Lopez, whoever is having a better game i guess. Once Favors gets used to the league and shows he is ready for more serious minutes, any of these 2 can take a back seat, but until then that would be the rotation.

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After giving it some thought, i'd play Favors even less to start the season. Smith starts, Favor for 5 min in between qtrs, Humph to finish the half. Then adjust the rotation between Smith/Humph in the 2nd half accordingly.

To start the year: Smith 20/ Favors 10/Humph 21
By all star break: Smith 18/Favors 15/Humph 18
By the end of the year Smith 13/ Favors 23/Humph 15
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Post#30 » by jeff1624 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:43 pm

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jeff1624 wrote:Craig smith is a 6'7 PF that weighs 260 pounds. He'll get eaten up by other taller and faster PFs in the league.

Really.. what can Craig smith do at the 4 that Outlaw and James can't do? Is he an outstanding rebounder.. no, shot blocker... no.


Craig Smith can play PF which James can't do and Outlaw cant defend. We dont need him to be an outstanding rebounder or a shot blocker. He just needs to play minutes and not be a liability. Outlaw can be effective on offense, yes, in spot minutes and the right match-up he can play. James playing PF is just laughable. Cause he rebounds well, hustles? Play Twitt at PF in that case.

6'7 260 > 6'7 225.



James can't defend the 4 but Smith can... that's laughable. I remember Humphries eating him up last year when we played the the clippers. To suceed against Smith all you have to be is quicker which isn't that hard really. And yes, i do think that hustle from james would be better at the 4 defensively than Smith, because at least he could stay in front of him man AND jump higher than 16 inches.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#31 » by enetric » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:44 pm

GOd I hope Lee's minutes go down. I think Morrow, Farmar and Twill are all better.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#32 » by demens » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:58 pm

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James can't defend the 4 but Smith can... that's laughable. I remember Humphries eating him up last year when we played the the clippers. To suceed against Smith all you have to be is quicker which isn't that hard really. And yes, i do think that hustle from james would be better at the 4 defensively than Smith, because at least he could stay in front of him man AND jump higher than 16 inches.



How is it laughable? Craig Smith has 308 games at PF IN THE NBA. 47 of those starts yet a rookie SF is suppose to be better able to guard PFs? :lol: Name me 1 NBA PF that is 6'7 and weighs 225 lbs? Or anything close for that matter. Marion is the only one that comes to mind and he only got away with playing PF cause of the system the Suns played (no defense). Any PF as short as James is has the bulk to bang with bigger guys, any PF the weighs as little as James does has the height to contest the bigger PFs shots. There is noone that is both short and tiny. James will not be an NBA PF, ever, no matter how much he hustles. Unless of course he decides to put on 30 lbs. and i dont see him doing that considering the kid is working on his jumper and perimeter skils since HE IS GOING TO PLAY SMALL FORWARD.
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Post#33 » by jeff1624 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:10 pm

You're acting as if I said james was gonna start at PF.. go back to the 2nd page and read where I clearly said that he can manage the position for 8-12 minutes a night.

You want me to name 6'7 PFs that weigh 225 or comething close to it?... Chuck Hayes and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute come to mind and Hayes starts at CENTER.. You're seriously saying that James can't handle the 4 for a quarter every game?

And who cares if Craig Smith has played 300 games at PF.. he still sucks defensively.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#34 » by demens » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:23 pm

Hayes is closer to 240 then 225, thats pretty significant. I'll give you Richard Mbah a Moute, thats a good example, so 1 player, more like the exception that proves the rule imo.
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#35 » by SteveNets15 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:59 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:
mikhailjordan wrote::lol:

You're missing the point I was making Prelude, for years Nets fans thought Stromile Swift or Chris Wilcox would be their savior and year after year they'd clamor for one of the two... I hope that this Craig Smith obsession doesn't develop into something like that for this fanbase.


Were you on this board when we traded for Stro? I don't know anyone besides Ragtime that hailed Stro as God's gift to the Nets. We all viewed it as the absolutely last ditch effort to give JKdd an athletic big man to play with. I wouldn't call anyone of us excited about it, but it was intriguing. But I think you're overstating the thoughts of the people on this board if you were around at that point.


You don't know who this guy is??lol
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Re: Craig Smith 

Post#36 » by Dexmor » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:06 am

No they would rather have a guy with a decent bball iq to play and who's not a black hole like Kris Humpries. How about we waive Ross while were at it.
Smith is better then every free agent we got so far. I don't understand the problem.
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Post#37 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:57 am

Just found out via "the other site" that Craig Smith signed with the Clips...for one season. :blank:
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Post#38 » by mikhailjordan » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:24 am

YESSS!!! THIS IS A VICTORY OF EPIC PROPORTIONS!!!!!!

No Craig Smith on the Nets! Tears of joy stream down the face of Mikhail Jordan!
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Post#39 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:39 am

I actually wouldn't have minded him if he was only on a one year contract...
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Post#40 » by SteveNets15 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:28 am

So whose the next savior?Josh Powell?

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