A petition for the firing Billy King (please help us)

[jeff1624]

Also that Wallace contract would have taken away our possibility to re-tool in 2016.
Good trade, just didnt pan out the way we hoped. It was tottally worth a shot.

Not really. He'll be a free agent in 2016.

[Antti22]

Also that Wallace contract would have taken away our possibility to re-tool in 2016.
Good trade, just didnt pan out the way we hoped. It was tottally worth a shot.

Not really. He'll be a free agent in 2016.

My bad, time flies .
But either way, his contract runs a year longer than any of the contracts we received.

[nbafan38]

I am probably in the minority here but I don't think Billy King has made terrible moves. I think he's made a lot of gambles that unfortunately haven't turned out as planned. Nets have gotten some bad luck. I do think it may be time for a change to just end the King Era but I can understand where he was coming from with most of his moves especially with Prokorov wanting to win now.

Billy King made a great trade for Deron Williams that no one saw coming which ultimately attracted Dwight Howard to want to play for the Nets. It's not Billy King's fault that Dwight Howard decided for some insane reason to re-sign with Orlando for another season only to demand a trade a few months later to the Nets when he easily could have just signed as a FA. But rather than give up, Billy King knew he needed to keep Deron Williams who at the time was still widely regarded as an elite PG in Brooklyn so he traded assets for Joe Johnson (who btw has played pretty well here and was probably the Nets best player last year).

No one could have predicted Deron Williams who the Nets tried so hard to keep was going to become a shell of his former self.

Then Billy King realizing the Cap situation was hopeless took a gamble to win a championship by trading some assets for Garnett and Pierce. Again it didn't work out partly because Lopez got hurt again and partly because Garnett fell off but at the time and now Pierce leaves because Kidd decided to be an idiot (not Kings fault as King didn't want Kidd as the coach to begin with) so what seemed like a legitimate gamble for a two year title window now looks like a disastorous trade.

Circumstances have led to his Gambles not working out but at the time many of his moves made more sense than they do in hindsight.

[jeff1624]

I am probably in the minority here but I don't think Billy King has made terrible moves. I think he's made a lot of gambles that unfortunately haven't turned out as planned. Nets have gotten some bad luck. I do think it may be time for a change to just end the King Era but I can understand where he was coming from with most of his moves especially with Prokorov wanting to win now.

Billy King made a great trade for Deron Williams that no one saw coming which ultimately attracted Dwight Howard to want to play for the Nets. It's not Billy King's fault that Dwight Howard decided for some insane reason to re-sign with Orlando for another season only to demand a trade a few months later to the Nets when he easily could have just signed as a FA. But rather than give up, Billy King knew he needed to keep Deron Williams who at the time was still widely regarded as an elite PG in Brooklyn so he traded assets for Joe Johnson (who btw has played pretty well here and was probably the Nets best player last year).

No one could have predicted Deron Williams who the Nets tried so hard to keep was going to become a shell of his former self.

Then Billy King realizing the Cap situation was hopeless took a gamble to win a championship by trading some assets for Garnett and Pierce. Again it didn't work out partly because Lopez got hurt again and partly because Garnett fell off but at the time and now Pierce leaves because Kidd decided to be an idiot (not Kings fault as King didn't want Kidd as the coach to begin with) so what seemed like a legitimate gamble for a two year title window now looks like a disastorous trade.

Circumstances have led to his Gambles not working out but at the time many of his moves made more sense than they do in hindsight.

He made the worst trade of the past ten years. Our lottery pick in a somewhat loaded draft for Gerald Wallace who wasn't even a top 10 player at his position by then when we had the 5th worst record in the league was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. THAT cost us Dwight Howard. Had we had the pick we could have packaged it with Lopez and gotten Dwight. Or even used it to trade for Harden.

That move forced us to overpay him that very same offseason because losing him for nothing would have made the trade an even bigger disaster. Since we didn't have many assets left we traded for joe hastily and gave up picks for a player NO ONE was ever going to trade for. Since we were already all in by that point we traded for KG and Pierce... and because Wallace's contract was so toxic, we had to give up more picks to complete the trade.

At the other end of the spectrum Portland drafted Damian Lillard, a legit star that won ROY, made the all star team in his second year and is alreayd top 10 at his position despite being a position loaded with studs. tlanta cleared a crap load of cap space, signed an all star to one of the best contracts in the league... and have the flexibility to do whatever they want heading forward. The Celtics own 73 of our upcoming picks, are stock piling assets and leading a masterful rebuild.

Yeah, Billy King HAS made mistakes. He hasn't made bad move after bad move... but unfortunately for him (and us) his worst move was the worst possible trade he could have ever made. What started as a misguided thrown snowball turned into an avalanche that has buried this franchise for a few years while clearing the space on a mountain jointly owned by the Blazers, Celtics and Hawks. While they're having a picnic and climbing and s*** in their newly cleared mountain, we're trapped under 50 feet of a snow. We're making it out alive because there's a russian rescue team wasting all the money they can to keep us alive, but make no mistake about it, Billy King throwing that snowball out of anger because he lost out on the girl of his dreams (Dwight) ended up f***ing us pretty badly. Now we're in the hospital with two broken legs, a broken femur, our left hand has been amputated and we're left getting excited because the doctor told us we didn't get a cold while trapped under all that snow (Mason Plumee).

Billy king sucks.

[nbafan38]

I am probably in the minority here but I don't think Billy King has made terrible moves. I think he's made a lot of gambles that unfortunately haven't turned out as planned. Nets have gotten some bad luck. I do think it may be time for a change to just end the King Era but I can understand where he was coming from with most of his moves especially with Prokorov wanting to win now.

Billy King made a great trade for Deron Williams that no one saw coming which ultimately attracted Dwight Howard to want to play for the Nets. It's not Billy King's fault that Dwight Howard decided for some insane reason to re-sign with Orlando for another season only to demand a trade a few months later to the Nets when he easily could have just signed as a FA. But rather than give up, Billy King knew he needed to keep Deron Williams who at the time was still widely regarded as an elite PG in Brooklyn so he traded assets for Joe Johnson (who btw has played pretty well here and was probably the Nets best player last year).

No one could have predicted Deron Williams who the Nets tried so hard to keep was going to become a shell of his former self.

Then Billy King realizing the Cap situation was hopeless took a gamble to win a championship by trading some assets for Garnett and Pierce. Again it didn't work out partly because Lopez got hurt again and partly because Garnett fell off but at the time and now Pierce leaves because Kidd decided to be an idiot (not Kings fault as King didn't want Kidd as the coach to begin with) so what seemed like a legitimate gamble for a two year title window now looks like a disastorous trade.

Circumstances have led to his Gambles not working out but at the time many of his moves made more sense than they do in hindsight.

He made the worst trade of the past ten years. Our lottery pick in a somewhat loaded draft for Gerald Wallace who wasn't even a top 10 player at his position by then when we had the 5th worst record in the league was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. THAT cost us Dwight Howard. Had we had the pick we could have packaged it with Lopez and gotten Dwight. Or even used it to trade for Harden.

That move forced us to overpay him that very same offseason because losing him for nothing would have made the trade an even bigger disaster. Since we didn't have many assets left we traded for joe hastily and gave up picks for a player NO ONE was ever going to trade for. Since we were already all in by that point we traded for KG and Pierce... and because Wallace's contract was so toxic, we had to give up more picks to complete the trade.

At the other end of the spectrum Portland drafted Damian Lillard, a legit star that won ROY, made the all star team in his second year and is alreayd top 10 at his position despite being a position loaded with studs. tlanta cleared a crap load of cap space, signed an all star to one of the best contracts in the league... and have the flexibility to do whatever they want heading forward. The Celtics own 73 of our upcoming picks, are stock piling assets and leading a masterful rebuild.

Yeah, Billy King HAS made mistakes. He hasn't made bad move after bad move... but unfortunately for him (and us) his worst move was the worst possible trade he could have ever made. What started as a misguided thrown snowball turned into an avalanche that has buried this franchise for a few years while clearing the space on a mountain jointly owned by the Blazers, Celtics and Hawks. While they're having a picnic and climbing and s*** in their newly cleared mountain, we're trapped under 50 feet of a snow. We're making it out alive because there's a russian rescue team wasting all the money they can to keep us alive, but make no mistake about it, Billy King throwing that snowball out of anger because he lost out on the girl of his dreams (Dwight) ended up f***ing us pretty badly. Now we're in the hospital with two broken legs, a broken femur, our left hand has been amputated and we're left getting excited because the doctor told us we didn't get a cold while trapped under all that snow (Mason Plumee).

Billy king sucks.

If Billy King didn't trade for Joe Johnson, the nets probably would have lost Deron Williams. Now that doesn't seem like a big deal but at the time it seemed really important to keep him as the face of the franchise going into Brooklyn.

The Wallace trade I agree was probably his worst trade, that one made little sense but his other moves I can all see how they were justified.

[jeff1624]

The Joe Johnson trade was unnecessarily more difficult to complete because of the Gerald Wallace trade. We could have gotten Joe straight up without having to include the pick swaps, but since the cap space had been eaten up due to the resigning of Wallace, we had to trade Morrow, Stevenson and Petro to make the necessary cap space and because they had to take back salary we were forced to include the pick swaps (though a better GM wouldn't have included them anyways).

Those pick swaps could have instead been given to Celtics and we would probably have our own 2015 and 2017 first rounders.

[MrDollarBills]

I am probably in the minority here but I don't think Billy King has made terrible moves. I think he's made a lot of gambles that unfortunately haven't turned out as planned. Nets have gotten some bad luck. I do think it may be time for a change to just end the King Era but I can understand where he was coming from with most of his moves especially with Prokorov wanting to win now.

Billy King made a great trade for Deron Williams that no one saw coming which ultimately attracted Dwight Howard to want to play for the Nets. It's not Billy King's fault that Dwight Howard decided for some insane reason to re-sign with Orlando for another season only to demand a trade a few months later to the Nets when he easily could have just signed as a FA. But rather than give up, Billy King knew he needed to keep Deron Williams who at the time was still widely regarded as an elite PG in Brooklyn so he traded assets for Joe Johnson (who btw has played pretty well here and was probably the Nets best player last year).

No one could have predicted Deron Williams who the Nets tried so hard to keep was going to become a shell of his former self.

Then Billy King realizing the Cap situation was hopeless took a gamble to win a championship by trading some assets for Garnett and Pierce. Again it didn't work out partly because Lopez got hurt again and partly because Garnett fell off but at the time and now Pierce leaves because Kidd decided to be an idiot (not Kings fault as King didn't want Kidd as the coach to begin with) so what seemed like a legitimate gamble for a two year title window now looks like a disastorous trade.

Circumstances have led to his Gambles not working out but at the time many of his moves made more sense than they do in hindsight.

He made the worst trade of the past ten years. Our lottery pick in a somewhat loaded draft for Gerald Wallace who wasn't even a top 10 player at his position by then when we had the 5th worst record in the league was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. THAT cost us Dwight Howard. Had we had the pick we could have packaged it with Lopez and gotten Dwight. Or even used it to trade for Harden.

That move forced us to overpay him that very same offseason because losing him for nothing would have made the trade an even bigger disaster. Since we didn't have many assets left we traded for joe hastily and gave up picks for a player NO ONE was ever going to trade for. Since we were already all in by that point we traded for KG and Pierce... and because Wallace's contract was so toxic, we had to give up more picks to complete the trade.

At the other end of the spectrum Portland drafted Damian Lillard, a legit star that won ROY, made the all star team in his second year and is alreayd top 10 at his position despite being a position loaded with studs. tlanta cleared a crap load of cap space, signed an all star to one of the best contracts in the league... and have the flexibility to do whatever they want heading forward. The Celtics own 73 of our upcoming picks, are stock piling assets and leading a masterful rebuild.

Yeah, Billy King HAS made mistakes. He hasn't made bad move after bad move... but unfortunately for him (and us) his worst move was the worst possible trade he could have ever made. What started as a misguided thrown snowball turned into an avalanche that has buried this franchise for a few years while clearing the space on a mountain jointly owned by the Blazers, Celtics and Hawks. While they're having a picnic and climbing and s*** in their newly cleared mountain, we're trapped under 50 feet of a snow. We're making it out alive because there's a russian rescue team wasting all the money they can to keep us alive, but make no mistake about it, Billy King throwing that snowball out of anger because he lost out on the girl of his dreams (Dwight) ended up f***ing us pretty badly. Now we're in the hospital with two broken legs, a broken femur, our left hand has been amputated and we're left getting excited because the doctor told us we didn't get a cold while trapped under all that snow (Mason Plumee).

Billy king sucks.

If Billy King didn't trade for Joe Johnson, the nets probably would have lost Deron Williams. Now that doesn't seem like a big deal but at the time it seemed really important to keep him as the face of the franchise going into Brooklyn.

The Wallace trade I agree was probably his worst trade, that one made little sense but his other moves I can all see how they were justified.

The Johnson trade wouldn't have been bad if the pick swap wasn't included.

But Deron was not leaving. That fat pig wanted his big pay day, and he got it. All that bull **** about "Oh, I wanna play with talent and with winners" was a bunch of bull ****. King gave the guy talent around him and he **** his pants like a baby two years in a ROW.

[jbeachboy]

The billy king hate here is absurd, we have recovered draft picks, i dont mind him taking gambles on trades, most of it was pressure on keeping dwill and keeping him happy and we are in win now mode, any general manager we hired would go for star players since thats what ownership wants,

he brought in some quality role players and nice draft picks

[FireBillyKing]

As I'm reading the Billy King hate start to boiler up wanted to remind people of the firebillyking.com petition.

Stephan Bondy of the NY Daily News with a good article yesterday about how this team most resembles the 76er team that King destroyed: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.2020887

[MrDollarBills]

GM Billy King is in a position all-too familiar from his days as president of the Sixers, when his cap-crushing moves and coaching changes paved the way for a long stretch of mediocrity following Larry Brown's departure. There was a point in Philly when King fired three coaches in 15 months, and when the contracts of Samuel Dalembert, Chris Webber and Kenny Thomas placed ownership deep in the red with a desire to sell.

In Brooklyn, there has been three coaching departures in 24 months (Kidd maneuvered his own way out). There was also four big trades (for Williams, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett) that cost King prospect Derrick Favors and six first-round draft picks, not including two others that can be swapped by the Hawks and Celtics.

The future is now, in other words. Except it isn't. The Nets have to learn all over again.

History repeats itself.

The Sixer fans warned this fanbase the day that this man was hired about the damage that he can do. Lo and behold, here we are....**** ed!

[NyCeEvO]

GM Billy King is in a position all-too familiar from his days as president of the Sixers, when his cap-crushing moves and coaching changes paved the way for a long stretch of mediocrity following Larry Brown's departure. There was a point in Philly when King fired three coaches in 15 months, and when the contracts of Samuel Dalembert, Chris Webber and Kenny Thomas placed ownership deep in the red with a desire to sell.

In Brooklyn, there has been three coaching departures in 24 months (Kidd maneuvered his own way out). There was also four big trades (for Williams, Gerald Wallace, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett) that cost King prospect Derrick Favors and six first-round draft picks, not including two others that can be swapped by the Hawks and Celtics.

The future is now, in other words. Except it isn't. The Nets have to learn all over again.

History repeats itself.

The Sixer fans warned this fanbase the day that this man was hired about the damage that he can do. Lo and behold, here we are....**** ed!

And then there are those who say that King just did what upper management wanted him to do and therefore he doesn't deserve any of the blame.

[jbeachboy]

even if it was ferry or whoever else we hired would have to do what ownership wants,

[drewfogarty]

Billy King did the same sort of stuff with the 76ers. As a 76er fan I am glad he is not in Philly, but feel bad for the team that hired him. Trading unprotected picks for aging players (even KG and Pierce) was a foolish idea when the picks are farther out than the players contracts (and shelf life). He should be banned from the league.

[NyCeEvO]

I've read that the person who created this thread heard back from the Nets organization and was told that a minority of Nets fans dislike/disapprove the job that Billy King has done.

A minority? Delusion of the highest order!!

[CalamityX12]

Minority my **** ass.....

Take a poll and expose the truth

[MrDollarBills]

I've read that the person who created this thread heard back from the Nets organization and was told that a minority of Nets fans dislike/disapprove the job that Billy King has done.

A minority? Delusion of the highest order!!

If you ever read their mouthpiece blog, you may understand why the feel that way.

[FireBillyKing]

Hey. Thank you for the bump.

Ownership is backing their GM for now with a bunch of reasons. It's an injury thing. It's a coach thing. It's an attitude thing. There are a lot of excuses. This team will be completely re-evaluated after the season. Fans need to speak out. They know of the few hundred of fans that have stated Billy King must go, but it's not enough. Sadly, NI's web-site has a bunch of Billy King supporters on it (I have no idea why) praising his talent for great drafting (Plumlee and who else?).

Our site has been contacted by the organization - they are paying attention. If enough fans speak out it will actually help. When this summer roles around and ownership and management start pointing fingers, a petition of thousands of fans (instead of hundreds) will make an impact in the decision making.

Please support www.firebillyking.com - don't just complain about Billy King. Sign our petition and let other fans know. Please post where you know others fans may be interested.

Thanks.

[Prokorov]

The billy king hate here is absurd, we have recovered draft picks, i dont mind him taking gambles on trades, most of it was pressure on keeping dwill and keeping him happy and we are in win now mode, any general manager we hired would go for star players since thats what ownership wants,

he brought in some quality role players and nice draft picks

no, the hate is VERY warranted.

it is one thing to make gambles, it is another to MASSIVELY overpay on those gambles.

i'm fine trading for Joe Johnson, but to GIVE UP an unprotected first rounder AND a Pick swap for him is the biggest overpay of the last 15 years (and no, that is not hyperbole). Think about it, Joe has 1 year left on his deal and no one would give us expirings + unprotected pick + Pick swap for him, yet thats what we gave up when he had FOUR years left on his deal at 96 million.

I'm fine gambling on wallace on a big deal. but it is a MASSIVE overpay to give up a lottery pick to rent him for 2 months when you have already mathmatically been eliminated from the playoffs and HE WAS GOING TO BE A FREE AGENT ANYWAY.

I'm fine gambling on Pierce and KG, but it was a MASSIVE overpay to give up 3 UNPROTECTED picks AND a pick swap. Hell they only got 1 pick for Rondo!

it is not ane xageration to say that king is arguably the worst GM in american professional sports over the last 10-20 years

[Prokorov]

even if it was ferry or whoever else we hired would have to do what ownership wants,

im sure ownership didnt want to drastically overpay in trades. its one thing to make bold moves for big names and take gambles on older guys. but im sure ownership never said to massively overpay to aquire those guys

[Prokorov]

I've read that the person who created this thread heard back from the Nets organization and was told that a minority of Nets fans dislike/disapprove the job that Billy King has done.

A minority? Delusion of the highest order!!

i wouldnt doubt it. go over to ND, they still think dwill/Joe/Brook is a championship core and hollins is coaching us out of a playoff spot