The Official Andrea Bargnani Thread

[Fat Kat]

It's not just the eye test that makes Bargs look bad. It's actually pretty difficult to find any statistical category in which Bargs is not below average for a big man. One is blocks (he's about average), and the other is personal fouls (but a quick look at how he plays defense might lead you to question whether this is a good thing).

Let's put this in context. Bargs isn't just one of the worst players in the NBA; he is, by some measures, the worst of all time. Usually, terrible players don't get to compete for "worst of all time" honors because it is hard to pile up lots of minutes while playing horrific basketball. In fact, it's hard to keep a roster spot. Ask Adam Morrison, Rashad McCants, or Michael Beasley. Bargnani, though, has somehow managed the trick of playing over 14,000 NBA minutes while producing a spectacular negative 18.9 wins. The list of players with more than 14000 minutes and less than zero wins produced is only 11 players long. Everybody on it but Andrea Bargnani and Al Harrington stem from older eras, when "advanced" analysis meant maybe keeping track of blocks or turnovers. Bargs -18.9 is the lowest WP total on that list, and he is far and away the worst per-minute player (second place isn't even close). Bargs has somehow managed to "produce more losses" than James Edwards' -17.5, despite having played about 10,000 fewer minutes than Edwards. And he's still got at least one more year to go!

[Clincher]

You guys might have 2 of the 14 Knicks in the rotation with Bargs and Larkin?

[MrDollarBills]

Career loser.

How does he fit into the culture we're trying to build with young, high energy players that everyone's been preaching?

He shoot from long range. Why else would king sign him? We need floor spacing and options are limited. Only Bojan and Ellington can really provide spacing. That's not enough.

[Mkdaman1818]

Career loser.

How does he fit into the culture we're trying to build with young, high energy players that everyone's been preaching?

He shoot from long range. Why else would king sign him? We need floor spacing and options are limited. Only Bojan and Ellington can really provide spacing. That's not enough.

I'm cringing at this signing, but there isn't much left to work with on the market. Bargnani is like a very very very VERY poor man's Josh Smith from last year. Hits 3s, and will most likely be left wide open by defenses. If he can't make wide open 3s though, boot his ass out of here ASAP.

[SIC]

The guy has NO pressure on him coming to Nets for the minimum.

He was traded to a BIG market for a 2016 first round pick.
He wasnt signed for a MAX deal after being pick the #1 overall pick
He isnt going to HAVE to start here.

I was reading the Knicks board. They are laughing at us but they forget they are the ones losing a pick for bargnani.

No a huge fan but not upset. Like some of you have said, He is just a cheaper replacement for MT3.

[Ror1997]

All I can think about is that video of Bargnani going up for a layup and completely falling on his ass, while "I believe I can fly" plays in the background.


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I thought he was trying to posterize somebody which made it all the more funnier

[SIC]

It's not just the eye test that makes Bargs look bad. It's actually pretty difficult to find any statistical category in which Bargs is not below average for a big man. One is blocks (he's about average), and the other is personal fouls (but a quick look at how he plays defense might lead you to question whether this is a good thing).

Let's put this in context. Bargs isn't just one of the worst players in the NBA; he is, by some measures, the worst of all time. Usually, terrible players don't get to compete for "worst of all time" honors because it is hard to pile up lots of minutes while playing horrific basketball. In fact, it's hard to keep a roster spot. Ask Adam Morrison, Rashad McCants, or Michael Beasley. Bargnani, though, has somehow managed the trick of playing over 14,000 NBA minutes while producing a spectacular negative 18.9 wins. The list of players with more than 14000 minutes and less than zero wins produced is only 11 players long. Everybody on it but Andrea Bargnani and Al Harrington stem from older eras, when "advanced" analysis meant maybe keeping track of blocks or turnovers. Bargs -18.9 is the lowest WP total on that list, and he is far and away the worst per-minute player (second place isn't even close). Bargs has somehow managed to "produce more losses" than James Edwards' -17.5, despite having played about 10,000 fewer minutes than Edwards. And he's still got at least one more year to go!

You Knick fans are acting like Barg is going to be starting for NETS.

He is most likely 12th or 13th man on Nets roster, we are not paying him what you guys paid him last year, and we didnt trade a first round pick for him.

[Universe]

Thought he signed with the Kings? Can't complain though getting a first overall pick for the minimum. He also played with Jack too.

[Kaiser30]

Thought he signed with the Kings? Can't complain though getting a first overall pick for the minimum. He also played with Jack too.

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[SIC]

Looking at the young guys playing in the summer league, those guys are NOT scorers. They are role players that play defense. Add TRob to the list, we need more offensive players to plug in between these guys that can score.

Barg can shoot. Put him in there with TRob and Reed, that opens up the paint for the guards and lets the REBOUNDING bigs do their jobs.

Barg will most likely be playing back up center with a lot of pick n pops off the bench.

[Paradise]

Bargs Per 100 Possessions - 36% 3pt / 104 ORTG / .527 TS%

Mirza Per 100 Possessions - 32% 3pt / 95 ORTG / .500 TS%

[Universe]

Not sure why people are making fun of this signing on the main board. We got a guy who averaged almost 15 points per game last year for the minimum. Even if he averaged half of that, he'd be worth it.

[MrDollarBills]

Bargs Per 100 Possessions - 36% 3pt / 104 ORTG / .527 TS%

Mirza Per 100 Possessions - 32% 3pt / 95 ORTG / .500 TS%

Yeah exactly. As long as he knocks down the treys who cares about what he did on the Knicks? He's a roleplayer here, with the Knicks they traded a 1st rd pick for him

[MrDollarBills]

Not sure why people are making fun of this signing on the main board. We got a guy who averaged almost 15 points per game last year for the minimum. Even if he averaged half of that, he'd be worth it.

Most people outside of our base don't understand what we're doing so just leave it be. I see common sense behind every move the Nets made this summer.

[Dirk]

I'd love Bargnani for the minimum. What's there to complain?

Take Derrick Williams as an example. Guy gets 10 million and he is not an advanced stats gem. I'd easily take Bargani over him.

Bargnani can score off the bench in multiple ways. Now, the Nets need someone who can do the dirty work on the boards and defend a bit while Bargs is in and unless I'm missing something you don't have defensive minded bigs.

[Paradise]

The Knicks/Raptors wanted Bargnani to be a poor man's Dirk. The Nets want Bargnani to be Matt Bonner.It's really that simple.

Unfortunately, the large contingent of fans on RealGM are usually the dumb ones.

[Keith Van Horn]

Well, it's not like we gave up any picks, any assets, or ate into any cap space. Worst case is Willie Reed won't be backup center now, Bargs will. And his defense is atrocious, but if he's playing with Robinson and RHJ off the bench then it eases the pain a little.

At least he can shoot well still. If he can stay relatively healthy and play well in Hollins system, then he's alright.

I won't put too much stock in him until camp starts and we see what he can do. I'm guessing he'll provide much of the scoring with the second unit.


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[Kaiser30]

Not sure why people are making fun of this signing on the main board. We got a guy who averaged almost 15 points per game last year for the minimum. Even if he averaged half of that, he'd be worth it.

Most people outside of our base don't understand what we're doing so just leave it be. I see common sense behind every move the Nets made this summer.

Celtics fans even believe this move will increase their chance of getting a top 5 pick even further. I mean come on, is Bargnani really worse than a late second round pick/undrafted player? I don't believe that this could be the case. At least not in the short-term.
I like Cliff Alexander because of his possible future development. But he wouldn't help the Nets win games next season.

Some people just love making fun of the Nets.

[SIC]

Not sure why people are making fun of this signing on the main board. We got a guy who averaged almost 15 points per game last year for the minimum. Even if he averaged half of that, he'd be worth it.

Most people outside of our base don't understand what we're doing so just leave it be. I see common sense behind every move the Nets made this summer.

Yeah I dont see why Knicks fans are laughing when they just gave Derrick Williams 2years - $10 mill.

nets have nothing to lose from signing Barg. Nets might not have signed anyone else.

[Keith Van Horn]

Bargnani can score off the bench in multiple ways. Now, the Nets need someone who can do the dirty work on the boards and defend a bit while Bargs is in and unless I'm missing something you don't have defensive minded bigs.

He most likely will play with Thomas Robinson and Hollis-Jefferson, who I think are more defensive-gritty type players. It might actually work well.


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