Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[TheNetsFan]

All offseason I've been clamoring for an upgrade at the F spot, especially PF. The consensus was that G/Wing were our strongest positions. After 5 games & a Linjury, one could argue that primarily because of RHJ/Carroll/Booker, F has been our strongest position, while SG has thus far not been as strong as expected. Would Marks pursue a SG upgrade before a big?

[Keith Van Horn]

I'd think we'd see a PG traded or signed here first. After losing Lin for the year, and then not having Russell for a game, it's a frightening prospect. Dinwiddie absolutely balled out last night against the Cavs, but with him as our only real PG active for that game and not a single minute went to Whitehead, I think they'd be crazy not to look for another short term plug and play point guard. Dinwiddie also won't do that every game either, so we need to temper what we can really expect out of him as a FT guard if DLo ever has to miss extended time.

[Prokorov]

Milwaukee will match. it doesnt make sense for them not to. if they dont match him its not like they have cap space. may as well go over the cap to pay your own guy and former number 2 pick

It's not about having cap. I'm not convinced they'd be willing to risk going deep into perennial tax territory for a guy with back to back ACL tears. The Bucks haven't paid a dime of luxury tax since the '02-'03 season when they paid a whopping $4.73mil.

if they max parker, they still arent in the tax

[TheNetsFan]

Milwaukee will match. it doesnt make sense for them not to. if they dont match him its not like they have cap space. may as well go over the cap to pay your own guy and former number 2 pick

It's not about having cap. I'm not convinced they'd be willing to risk going deep into perennial tax territory for a guy with back to back ACL tears. The Bucks haven't paid a dime of luxury tax since the '02-'03 season when they paid a whopping $4.73mil.

if they max parker, they still arent in the tax

They'd be around $118-$119mil with only 12 players under existing contracts, assuming they pick up the options on Maker & Vaughn & max Parker. If they're not over the tax line, they'd be towing that line with limited options. It depends on their desire for roster balance. If they're fine with being extremely F heavy asset-wise (salary and previously used picks), they may be fine with tying themselves to Parker's ability to get and stay healthy. If they want more perimeter help, then they may decide to go in a different direction.

[brook]

you guys are obsessed about trades!

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[vincecarter4pres]

You don't mess with the core pieces of this roster unless it lands you someone like Anthony Davis or maybe Cousins.

Like if you could trade LeVert and RHJ for Anthony Davis, or LeVert and Allen for Cousins, I believe those are moves that almost have to be made, even if you have to throw in a pick.

If something that strong isn't available, you simply bring in a minute eater like Ed Davis and keep it moving as planned.

[kamaze]

I'd think we'd see a PG traded or signed here first. After losing Lin for the year, and then not having Russell for a game, it's a frightening prospect. Dinwiddie absolutely balled out last night against the Cavs, but with him as our only real PG active for that game and not a single minute went to Whitehead, I think they'd be crazy not to look for another short term plug and play point guard. Dinwiddie also won't do that every game either, so we need to temper what we can really expect out of him as a FT guard if DLo ever has to miss extended time.

I think Dinwiddie is good enough to start, pushing D'Lo to off guard. LeVert looked good running the team that could be his role and of course you have D'Angelo too. Without DLo they had to play Kilpatrick some, told you he was 3rd string Prok should've made a sig bet lol.

[TheNetsFan]

You don't mess with the core pieces of this roster unless it lands you someone like Anthony Davis or maybe Cousins.

Like if you could trade LeVert and RHJ for Anthony Davis, or LeVert and Allen for Cousins, I believe those are moves that almost have to be made, even if you have to throw in a pick.

If something that strong isn't available, you simply bring in a minute eater like Ed Davis and keep it moving as planned.

If the Nets trade for Cousins, that means that everything they have said about culture has been pure BS.

[MrDollarBills]

We aren't trading young players or looking for quick fixes. a veteran PG may be acquired just for depth. But I see no reason in going for "upgrades" 5 games into the season at SG when LeVert and Crabbe are here.

[IceManBK1]

Would you guys trade some of our bench guys for Bledsoe and Chandler? Maybe mozgov+whitehead and Booker. Just not our key guys. Having Chandler would improve our interior D.

[vincecarter4pres]

You don't mess with the core pieces of this roster unless it lands you someone like Anthony Davis or maybe Cousins.

Like if you could trade LeVert and RHJ for Anthony Davis, or LeVert and Allen for Cousins, I believe those are moves that almost have to be made, even if you have to throw in a pick.

If something that strong isn't available, you simply bring in a minute eater like Ed Davis and keep it moving as planned.

If the Nets trade for Cousins, that means that everything they have said about culture has been pure BS.

I thought about this as well. My guess is they'd only go for Cousins if they vetted him hardcore and were convinced he isn't nearly as bad as his rep and he's on board with Coach Atkinson.

[TheNetsFan]

Would you guys trade some of our bench guys for Bledsoe and Chandler? Maybe mozgov+whitehead and Booker. Just not our key guys. Having Chandler would improve our interior D.

There's no way they'd take on Mozgov, unless we backed up the truck & gave them everything they wanted. If they were to take on Mozgov, they'd ask for and you'd really have to consider offering at least one of RHJ or LeVert.

Would I offer Booker, Lin & the Toronto pick for Chandler & Bledsoe? From a health & fit perspective, it makes sense for us, I'm not sure I like the idea of giving up an admittedly likely weak first round pick for 2 guys that are not likely to be part of the team long-term.

[vincecarter4pres]

Would I offer Booker, Lin & the Toronto pick for Chandler & Bledsoe? From a health & fit perspective, it makes sense for us, I'm not sure I like the idea of giving up an admittedly likely weak first round pick for 2 guys that are not likely to be part of the team long-term.

I honestly don't believe Marks would trade for Bledsoe, especially dealing a pick for him.

I don't know what sense he makes here now and I don't see Lin being dealt unless it was a can't pass up opportunity, there's something to be said for loyalty with this regime.

Add to this, Bledsoe hasn't exactly been the modicum of health either.


Just my opinion, but again, the only trades I see as likely are some can't pass blockbuster which brings in a can't miss young stud, or something smaller that adds some minute eating depth just for this season, or a potential hidden gem young guy, like the trade that brought McDaniels here last year.

[NyCeEvO]

You don't mess with the core pieces of this roster unless it lands you someone like Anthony Davis or maybe Cousins.

Like if you could trade LeVert and RHJ for Anthony Davis, or LeVert and Allen for Cousins, I believe those are moves that almost have to be made, even if you have to throw in a pick.

If something that strong isn't available, you simply bring in a minute eater like Ed Davis and keep it moving as planned.

If the Nets trade for Cousins, that means that everything they have said about culture has been pure BS.

I disagree with this.

D'Angelo's reputation was not good in LA. When we traded for him, one of the first thoughts by many Nets fans was that we traded Brook, the perfect PR soldier for a terrible team, for D'Angelo, a young guy who has had his maturity level questioned throughout his entire time in the NBA.

Marks shrugged all of that off and said "I've tracked Russell since he came into the league. We have zero concerns about his attitude and maturity level."

Marks also reiterated that he will continue to look for moves that make the Nets better. If Marks believes that Boogie's character issues are overblown, there's no way he will let that stop him from making a trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

You don't mess with the core pieces of this roster unless it lands you someone like Anthony Davis or maybe Cousins.

Like if you could trade LeVert and RHJ for Anthony Davis, or LeVert and Allen for Cousins, I believe those are moves that almost have to be made, even if you have to throw in a pick.

If something that strong isn't available, you simply bring in a minute eater like Ed Davis and keep it moving as planned.

If the Nets trade for Cousins, that means that everything they have said about culture has been pure BS.

I disagree with this.

D'Angelo's reputation was not good in LA. When we traded for him, one of the first thoughts by many Nets fans was that we traded Brook, the perfect PR soldier for a terrible team, for D'Angelo, a young guy who has had his maturity level questioned throughout his entire time in the NBA.

Marks shrugged all of that off and said "I've tracked Russell since he came into the league. We have zero concerns about his attitude and maturity level."

Marks also reiterated that he will continue to look for moves that make the Nets better. If Marks believes that Boogie's character issues are overblown, there's no way he will let that stop him from making a trade.

This.

And a guy like Cousins is a true needle mover and is young enough(just turned 27), where if they decided he wasn't a problem and got permission to speak to him on his intentions to re-sign, there's a good they'd pounce.

Idk how I feel about Cousins, in the locker room, in practice, off the court in everyday life, or maybe even on the court. But I also don't have access to all the behind the scenes info execs and coaches do. But my point is still, this management team has shown they will make the big splashy move when there is legitimate substance behind it and it incorporates their vision, culture and plan.

[Keith Van Horn]

I don't think we'll make a move for Bledsoe. He's in his prime and wants to win now. I think he'll end up with a team like the Bucks or Nuggets, which have decent pieces already and are winning games.

I know this guy's name has been tossed around and (usually) dragged through the mud -- Okafor.

Talk about a buy cheap candidate. I've been listening to Zach Lowe's podcast and he makes some great points about Okafor. It's gets you thinking that with the right conditioning, culture surrounding him, and constant motivation, that he definitely has the tools to succeed and he should. I forgot who was on the last pod with Lowe, but it was a guy who worked for the 76ers and he was just making points about how some of these guys just need the right development tools around them to be able to do well.

I say leave no stone unturned and see if Marks and co. think they can turn this guy into an offensive force. Who says he can't change his diet, his shooting mechanics,, his footwork on boxing out, etc...? He's got the size and athleticism. He's just got to find the right system.

On the pod too they talked about the Nets, and specifically RHJ. He said RHJ was a player who could've been easily done with the NBA if they kept trying to get him to shoot 3's, work on his jumper, and play the 3 only. But they gave the Nets a ton of credit for redeeming him into a solid modern 4 and how he fits their style. Could be the same with Okafor and getting him to become a new player. If anyone can do it, it's the Nets staff.

[NyCeEvO]

If the Nets trade for Cousins, that means that everything they have said about culture has been pure BS.

I disagree with this.

D'Angelo's reputation was not good in LA. When we traded for him, one of the first thoughts by many Nets fans was that we traded Brook, the perfect PR soldier for a terrible team, for D'Angelo, a young guy who has had his maturity level questioned throughout his entire time in the NBA.

Marks shrugged all of that off and said "I've tracked Russell since he came into the league. We have zero concerns about his attitude and maturity level."

Marks also reiterated that he will continue to look for moves that make the Nets better. If Marks believes that Boogie's character issues are overblown, there's no way he will let that stop him from making a trade.

This.

And a guy like Cousins is a true needle mover and is young enough(just turned 27), where if they decided he wasn't a problem and got permission to speak to him on his intentions to re-sign, there's a good they'd pounce.

Idk how I feel about Cousins, in the locker room, in practice, off the court in everyday life, or maybe even on the court. But I also don't have access to all the behind the scenes info execs and coaches do. But my point is still, this management team has shown they will make the big splashy move when there is legitimate substance behind it and it incorporates their vision, culture and plan.

Agreed. Even I think that Cousin's chemistry issues are worse than D'Angelo's.

Given what I know as a fan, I'd have serious reservations about Boogie because I don't know if I can get him to be a genuine team player and a willing leader.

However, I'd expect Marks to know much more than I do. If he signed off on the deal, I'd immediately say that Marks has a better perspective than I do. And then I'd jump for joy that we got an allstar caliber big man.

[TheNetsFan]

D'Angelo's rep & Cousins' reps are two completely different beasts. One was of an immature kid/snitch surrounded by unprofessional people. The other was of a true malcontent with a very volatile personality.

[NyCeEvO]

Would I offer Booker, Lin & the Toronto pick for Chandler & Bledsoe? From a health & fit perspective, it makes sense for us, I'm not sure I like the idea of giving up an admittedly likely weak first round pick for 2 guys that are not likely to be part of the team long-term.

I honestly don't believe Marks would trade for Bledsoe, especially dealing a pick for him.

I don't know what sense he makes here now and I don't see Lin being dealt unless it was a can't pass up opportunity, there's something to be said for loyalty with this regime.

Really?

How many days after Atkinson said Thad Young was "his guy" at the press conference was he traded?
Brook Lopez, our most talented player, longest tenured Net, and guy who loudly advocated his desire to remain a Net despite how the organization has treated him over the years was traded.

"Loyalty" only exists for the players and assets the front office wants.

Add to this, Bledsoe hasn't exactly been the modicum of health either.


Just my opinion, but again, the only trades I see as likely are some can't pass blockbuster which brings in a can't miss young stud, or something smaller that adds some minute eating depth just for this season, or a potential hidden gem young guy, like the trade that brought McDaniels here last year.

I don't see the Nets being able to come up with a deal that the Suns would desire.

However, I think the Nets willingness to engage in a deal solely depends on 1) how badly they're trying to make the playoffs this year and 2) whether doing a deal compromises their ability to give out offer sheets to any RFAs they desire or negatively impacts roster construction for the future.

1) Based on Talent, do you do the trade? Probably.
Atkinson and Lin know Chandler from their time in LA. There's no question that he would be able to verbalize his leadership on the Nets more than Mozgov. The main issue with Chandler is whether he has more impact on the floor than Mozgov. Mozgov can stretch the floor a bit and can run the floor North-South pretty decently if given a head of steam. Could Chandler's interior defense be worth more than Mozgov's ability to run and stretch the floor? I don't know because I haven't watched Chandler in years.

I'd give up Whitehead in a second if it meant getting Bledsoe.

Booker's best ability is being a bigger forward who can aggressively track down rebounds, start the break, and attack his opponent on the break. Everything else he does is replaceable or can done better by others. Bledsoe can do all of those things and provides the spacing that Booker can't.

If all it took was Mozgov/Whitehead/Booker to get Bledsoe/Chandler, the only thing that would keep me back from saying "Yes" immediately is that I don't know how bad Chandler is and would need to review tape on him. Bledsoe gives us back what we lost in Lin for the season and should counter-balance the versatility lost from Booker's spot on the floor. (TBH, I'd just up RHJ's and DMC's minutes a little bit if the deal was done.)

Also, doing a 3 for 2 deal frees up a roster spot and allows us to take another flyer on some young guy Marks believes to be the next diamond in the rough.

2) Based on future asset and financial management, do you make the trade? Maybe...may be not.
Chandler and Bledsoe are fully guaranteed for the next two seasons. While Mozgov is guaranteed for 3, this is Booker's last year of his contract. By completing the trade, we'd take ourselves out of the running for signing an RFA to a max offer sheet since we would no longer have Booker's contract on the books.

If Marks has no plan to go after RFAs, then he might do the deal. (Although if Lin opts in, it would take away our ability to sign an RFA to a max deal anyway.)

Personally, I see Marks preferring the opportunity to either give an offer sheet to Gordon/Parker than trade for Bledsoe. Then again, if he views Bledsoe as an asset, he could trade for him now and use him as bait for a multi-team deal with NOP later on that allows us to get Boogie.

In short, there are too many unknown variables for me to project whether such a deal would appeal to Marks.

[NyCeEvO]

D'Angelo's rep & Cousins' reps are two completely different beasts. One was of an immature kid/snitch surrounded by unprofessional people. The other was of a true malcontent with a very volatile personality.

I agree. But that's also the perception that we have.

A lot of teams soured on D'Angelo and thought he wouldn't grow out of his immaturity. If that's the case, then his immaturity would be viewed on par with Boogie's malcontent character since they both would create problems for the team.

The bottom line is whether Marks believes Cousins' is a true malcontent. If he agrees with what we all think is obvious about DMC, he won't do the deal. At the same time, if he did it, it obviously means that he thinks that we're all wrong and don't have an accurate grasp of DMC's character.