Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread

[TheNetsFan]

I don't think I would argue against that.

Jimmy's probably not going to fall off until after age 34. I expect at least for the next 3 seasons he'll still be in the top 15 barring injury.

I'm not sure about that. You don't think guys like Simmons, Mitchell, Ayton, Towns, Oladipo, etc. might pass him up in 2 years?

I agree, he may not hall of a cliff until 33 or 34, but I could see him drifting down in the ratings between now & then. e.g. top 15 now, top 30 in 2 years, top 40 in 3 years.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think I would argue against that.

Jimmy's probably not going to fall off until after age 34. I expect at least for the next 3 seasons he'll still be in the top 15 barring injury.

I'm not sure about that. You don't think guys like Simmons, Mitchell, Ayton, Towns, Oladipo, etc. might pass him up in 2 years?

I agree, he may not hall of a cliff until 33 or 34, but I could see him drifting down in the ratings between now & then. e.g. top 15 now, top 30 in 2 years, top 40 in 3 years.

I didn't even think about that. Simmons is definitely trending top 10 out of that list.

That puts something else in perspective: do you want to be paying 30-40 million per year to a guy that won't be in the top 20 in the league within two years?

[kamaze]

Okay so I pulled up a player comparison for Jimmy Butler vs. Klay

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Jimmy+Butler&player_id1_select=Jimmy+Butler&y1=2018&player_id1=butleji01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Klay+Thompson&player_id2_select=Klay+Thompson&y2=2018&player_id2=thompkl01&idx=players

Taking a look at their career advance numbers, I don't know if you can say if Klay is better than Butler. Is Klay a better shooter? Without question. That's about where it gets dicey for Klay in comparison. Butler is better in a lot of other areas.

Here is their comparison for last season:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jimmy+Butler&player_id1_select=Jimmy+Butler&y1=2018&player_id1=butleji01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Klay+Thompson&player_id2_select=Klay+Thompson&y2=2018&player_id2=thompkl01&idx=players

There is no way I can say that Klay is better than Butler despite the difference in games played.

It depends on your preference Klay's my fav player along with Kawhi Leonard they switch from 1A to 1B.
Butler is arguably better bc of steals and assists while Klay's a pure shooter that is a great defender as well making him the best since the 80's imo. I'm sure someone here will come up with someone else but to me he's the best bc he did it on both ends of the court.

Reggie Miller was a killer but I don't remember him shutting anyone down.

[MrDollarBills]

Ray Allen was better than both Reggie Miller and Klay Thompson

[kamaze]

Ray Allen was better than both Reggie Miller and Klay Thompson

On Offense but was Ray Ray a lock down defender in his 5th 6th year in the league? He was a vet by the time he got to Boston..

edit Ray played 10 years before he went to Boston. He came in the league in 97 and played for them in 2007

[MrDollarBills]

Klay isn't a lock down defender though. He isn't a slouch, but I wouldn't exactly call him a lock down defender. He's not even the best defender at his own position, both Butler and Oladipo are better than him defensively. His defense isn't good enough for him to be considered better than Ray Allen overall.

Ray Allen was a superior athlete, ball handler, better passer and was actually a #1 option for years in the NBA whereas Klay is still a question mark in that regard because of the elite spacing that comes with playing with Steph Curry, Kevin Durant and Draymond Green. I'll tell you right now that Ray wasn't getting that kind of spacing with Sam Cassell and Glenn Robinson and he was still cooking dudes.

If you're only thinking about Ray Allen in his Boston days then you really don't know how good he was. The Boston days for Ray Allen were a lay up for him. I'm talking about Milwaukee Bucks big 3 days and Seattle Supersonics Ray Allen who was an elite level wing.

[kamaze]

Klay isn't a lock down defender though. He isn't a slouch, but I wouldn't exactly call him a lock down defender. He's not even the best defender at his own position, both Butler and Oladipo are better than him defensively. His defense isn't good enough for him to be considered better than Ray Allen overall.

Ray Allen was a superior athlete, ball handler, better passer and was actually a #1 option for years in the NBA whereas Klay is still a question mark in that regard because of the elite spacing that comes with playing with Steph Curry, Kevin Durant and Draymond Green. I'll tell you right now that Ray wasn't getting that kind of spacing with Sam Cassell and Glenn Robinson and he was still cooking dudes.

If you're only thinking about Ray Allen in his Boston days then you really don't know how good he was. The Boston days for Ray Allen were a lay up for him. I'm talking about Milwaukee Bucks big 3 days and Seattle Supersonics Ray Allen who was an elite level wing.

Klay's defense was the key in one series forget who they were up against. I haven't watched much of either player but Butler has the advantage of being 6'8.

I was comparing them both in their 5th or 6th year in the league that's when Golden State won their championship. I agree he's a sbetter player just not sold on him being a better defender at the same stage in their careers. Ray Ray became the better defender especially after he got traded to Bahston but in his 5th year?

[MrDollarBills]

well to be frank I'm not touting Ray Allen's defense. that wasn't his strong suit. I'm just saying overall as a basketball player even dating back to his days at UCONN Ray Allen was superior to Klay Thompson. Klay's ball handling isn't better than Ray's and dude is nowhere near the explosive athlete that Allen was. Ray Allen used to throw the hammer down in traffic. Klay is an elite shooter though, I will say that. But that's about it.

Outside of Kobe and Wade its hard for me to think of another SG that has been better than Ray Allen since Jordan retired.

[kamaze]

well to be frank I'm not touting Ray Allen's defense. that wasn't his strong suit. I'm just saying overall as a basketball player even dating back to his days at UCONN Ray Allen was superior to Klay Thompson. Klay's ball handling isn't better than Ray's and dude is nowhere near the explosive athlete that Allen was. Ray Allen used to throw the hammer down in traffic. Klay is an elite shooter though, I will say that. But that's about it.

Outside of Kobe and Wade its hard for me to think of another SG that has been better than Ray Allen since Jordan retired.

Being a good defeder besides being a 3 point specialist is rare Kobe did it Wade with getting steals and blocking big men at the rim too. Most stars don't play hard on the defensive end though that's why Klay and Kawhi are so good they're special on both ends of the court. Don't get me wrong I agree he's better just for right now Klay's my guy.

[MrDollarBills]

goddamn the Lakers have the most unenthusiastic PA announcer i've ever heard. boring

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[vincecarter4pres]

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[MrDollarBills]

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I see the fake tough guys are getting their reps in early this season

[Paradise]

Damn, the Spurs are already in trouble.

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[MrDollarBills]

he walked off under his own power though so i doubt its serious. he probably misses the rest of this month though.

[vincecarter4pres]

Chris McCullough cut yet again. I remember when there were fans straight crying when he was included in the Bogs deal.

[MrDollarBills]

Chris McCullough cut yet again. I remember when there were fans straight crying when he was included in the Bogs deal.

Brian Colangelo was pretty pissed off about that, wasn't he? Good times.

[TheNetsFan]

he walked off under his own power though so i doubt its serious. he probably misses the rest of this month though.

You can often walk even with a very serious knee injury. It'll be interesting to see what SAS decisdes to do if he's done for a long time. Do they try to get by with White & Mills, sign a guy off the street or trade for a stop-gap. If the latter, does that immediately start driving up the price on PGs for teams like PHX & ORL?

[Paradise]

Sean Marks about to fleece them Suns...

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[vincecarter4pres]

Dejounte Murray tore his ACL, man.