Question for the forum: Long-term, Claxton or Allen?

[GTR11]

Comparing Blatche and Nic lol I mean c'mon now. Had me teared up here.

Going with Nic and taking that gamble with his health. Nic has twice much upside and value simply because he has offensive skills. Last year I got murdered when i offered to switch them. Guy was 6ft away from baskets and was scared to death holding the ball unless its a lob. Guy is scary and won't move needle for team in need. Also its easier to find rim runners than skilled bigs like Nic who play both ends with high energy, rarity.

[Prokorov]

1) I ALWAYS been willing to admit when i'm wrong. ask any of the old heads here.

2) Detroit didnt stay in last nights game because of rebounding.

Do the words "cognitive dissonance" ring a bell?

When I'm wrong, i will admit it.

it is fact, not opinion, that our inability to shoot threes at our normal rate kept detroit in the game. Here is a quick lesson for you, since you seem so unfamiliar with the team and facts:

-The Nets are a top 3 team in the league in 3-point shooting, regardless of the metric used.
-The Nets are in the bottom half of the league in rebounding in most metrics, and +/- 2 within average in other metics

Despite being a below average to poor rebounding team, the nets still consistently win, since their ability to shoot threes is drastically more important. The Nets having a top 4 record in the NBA, despite getting outrebounded most nights.

When the Nets do not shoot well from three, it DRASTICALLY impacts their ability to win. In fact, In games where we shoot 32% or less from three we are just 1-4 (with last night being the first win). Our other losses also show us shooting under our season average for % or well below in makes.

Rebounding is no longer a crucial part of winning basketball.

[Prokorov]

Comparing Blatche and Nic lol I mean c'mon now. Had me teared up here.

Going with Nic and taking that gamble with his health. Nic has twice much upside and value simply because he has offensive skills. Last year I got murdered when i offered to switch them. Guy was 6ft away from baskets and was scared to death holding the ball unless its a lob. Guy is scary and won't move needle for team in need. Also its easier to find rim runners than skilled bigs like Nic who play both ends with high energy, rarity.

Its tought to find rim protectors. Allen is one of the better ones.

and the Blatche comparison was not comparing the players, it was pointing out that "being versatile" doesnt mean anything if it doesnt make you more impactful. doing 1 or 2 things really well is often more impactful then doing 5 or 6 things decent.

And Allen does 1 or 2 things well, as a started, in 30+ minutes, while nic does a few things decent in 15 minutes vs backups.

Claxton can not shine allens shoes at the moment as a C in this league.

[Whiskey Slick]

1) I ALWAYS been willing to admit when i'm wrong. ask any of the old heads here.

2) Detroit didnt stay in last nights game because of rebounding.

Do the words "cognitive dissonance" ring a bell?

When I'm wrong, i will admit it.

it is fact, not opinion, that our inability to shoot threes at our normal rate kept detroit in the game. Here is a quick lesson for you, since you seem so unfamiliar with the team and facts:

-The Nets are a top 3 team in the league in 3-point shooting, regardless of the metric used.
-The Nets are in the bottom half of the league in rebounding in most metrics, and +/- 2 within average in other metics

Despite being a below average to poor rebounding team, the nets still consistently win, since their ability to shoot threes is drastically more important. The Nets having a top 4 record in the NBA, despite getting outrebounded most nights.

When the Nets do not shoot well from three, it DRASTICALLY impacts their ability to win. In fact, In games where we shoot 32% or less from three we are just 1-4 (with last night being the first win). Our other losses also show us shooting under our season average for % or well below in makes.

Rebounding is no longer a crucial part of winning basketball.

Dude, I watched the game. It seemed like Detroit scored half their points of second and third chances. The other drawback when that happens, so consistently, is we can't fast break as much as we normally do, so of course our scoring was way down in that game. No offense, but you should like someone who never picked up a basketball.

But you keep sighting stats and pretending to know something about basketball.

[Whiskey Slick]

Claxton can not shine allens shoes at the moment as a C in this league.

I'm not surprised that a guy who doesn't know what T&D it is, is unfamiliar with the concept of "two years" and peaking, much less NBA bodies maturing over time.

Allen has been a starter since 2018. Claxton just started playing NBA Game this year after being drafted two years later and having to spend a year rehabbing from a torn labrum ... but I forgot you have a crystal ball.

[Prokorov]

Dude, I watched the game. It seemed like Detroit scored half their points of second and third chances. The other drawback when that happens, so consistently, is we can't fast break as much as we normally do, so of course our scoring was way down in that game. No offense, but you should like someone who never picked up a basketball.

But you keep sighting stats and pretending to know something about basketball.

I'm not pretending to know anything. I'm enlightening you with the facts. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with facts. We all watched the game. You are the only one who was harping on rebounding while others were harping on missed open shots.

The pistons, despite all this amazing offensive rebounding, scored.... 95 points.

We make 16 threes a game on average on 41% shooting
vs. Det we made 6 threes on 22% shooting

if we had a bad night from 3 instead of an season worst/awful night from three we win in a laugher by double digits. if we make 10 threes on 30% shooting (still a bad night from us) we win by closer to 15 points then 5 points.

Yeah they got alot of second chance points. that happens to us most games, and we still win, because second chances points arent nearly as impactful as scoring efficiency. Teams take more FGA and get more possesions then us every game between turnovers and being outrebounded. but scoring efficiency is worth a ton more then those extra possesions.

when we dont shoot well and our scoring efficiency is down, teams stay in games. when we put up our typically shooting averages, we dominate teams, even if they ourebound us.

again, these are facts. you can take your jabs at me all you like, but at the end of the day you are arguing with facts, not with me. I know trump made arguing with facts a popular thing, but i have no time for that

[Whiskey Slick]

Dude, I watched the game. It seemed like Detroit scored half their points of second and third chances. The other drawback when that happens, so consistently, is we can't fast break as much as we normally do, so of course our scoring was way down in that game. No offense, but you should like someone who never picked up a basketball.

But you keep sighting stats and pretending to know something about basketball.

I'm not pretending to know anything. I'm enlightening you with the facts. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with facts. We all watched the game. You are the only one who was harping on rebounding while others were harping on missed open shots.

The pistons, despite all this amazing offensive rebounding, scored.... 95 points.

We make 16 threes a game on average on 41% shooting
vs. Det we made 6 threes on 22% shooting

if we had a bad night from 3 instead of an season worst/awful night from three we win in a laugher by double digits. if we make 10 threes on 30% shooting (still a bad night from us) we win by closer to 15 points then 5 points.

Yeah they got alot of second chance points. that happens to us most games, and we still win, because second chances points arent nearly as impactful as scoring efficiency. Teams take more FGA and get more possesions then us every game between turnovers and being outrebounded. but scoring efficiency is worth a ton more then those extra possesions.

when we dont shoot well and our scoring efficiency is down, teams stay in games. when we put up our typically shooting averages, we dominate teams, even if they ourebound us.

again, these are facts. you can take your jabs at me all you like, but at the end of the day you are arguing with facts, not with me. I know trump made arguing with facts a popular thing, but i have no time for that

I'm not arguing with facts. I'm arguing with YOU, because it's not either/or.

Are you familiar with that concept, that not everything is either/or?

Or are you too much of a know-it-all?

[Prokorov]

Dude, I watched the game. It seemed like Detroit scored half their points of second and third chances. The other drawback when that happens, so consistently, is we can't fast break as much as we normally do, so of course our scoring was way down in that game. No offense, but you should like someone who never picked up a basketball.

But you keep sighting stats and pretending to know something about basketball.

I'm not pretending to know anything. I'm enlightening you with the facts. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with facts. We all watched the game. You are the only one who was harping on rebounding while others were harping on missed open shots.

The pistons, despite all this amazing offensive rebounding, scored.... 95 points.

We make 16 threes a game on average on 41% shooting
vs. Det we made 6 threes on 22% shooting

if we had a bad night from 3 instead of an season worst/awful night from three we win in a laugher by double digits. if we make 10 threes on 30% shooting (still a bad night from us) we win by closer to 15 points then 5 points.

Yeah they got alot of second chance points. that happens to us most games, and we still win, because second chances points arent nearly as impactful as scoring efficiency. Teams take more FGA and get more possesions then us every game between turnovers and being outrebounded. but scoring efficiency is worth a ton more then those extra possesions.

when we dont shoot well and our scoring efficiency is down, teams stay in games. when we put up our typically shooting averages, we dominate teams, even if they ourebound us.

again, these are facts. you can take your jabs at me all you like, but at the end of the day you are arguing with facts, not with me. I know trump made arguing with facts a popular thing, but i have no time for that

I'm not arguing with facts. I'm arguing with YOU, because it's not either/or.

Are you familiar with that concept, that not everything is either/or?

Or are you too much of a know-it-all?

I don't know it all. In addition, sometimes what i do predict is wrong. I've never been shy admitting either.

But you are arguing facts. it is an indisputable fact that over the last 20 years, and more pronounced over the last 10, you can make the playoffs, go deep in the playoffs, and win titles while being a below average or flat out terrible rebounding team. last 10 years title winners have been poor. last 20 below average for the majority of them.

Again as mentioned above, We consistently have won this year when outrebounded. We have consistently lost when shooting poorly. Vs. Detroit we got outrebounded and shot poorly. The pistons were in the game because of the ladder. We blow teams out all the time when we get outrebounded, nothing was different last night other then we shot poorly. we shoot within the range of a typical night and we win this one by 15.

Crying about rebounding when we consistently win despite it show an unwillingness to accept the facts of how the game is played. pining about "well in the playoffs its different" shows further reluctance to accept the facts when data shows playoff teams that go deep and win titles have not been good rebounding teams since the 80s and 90s.

[Whiskey Slick]

I don't know it all.

Agreed, you're just a guy who has all the facts.

[Prokorov]

I don't know it all.

Agreed, you're just a guy who has all the facts.

The facts i mentioned are a matter of public record. They are not a possession of mind. Here is a helpful resource for you:

www.google.com

[Whiskey Slick]

I don't know it all.

Agreed, you're just a guy who has all the facts.

The facts i mentioned are a matter of public record. They are not a possession of mind. Here is a helpful resource for you:

www.google.com

I don't need or want your resources. I played so much basketball I forgot more about the game than you'll learn in 50 lifetimes on Google or at Wikipedia et al. And we're both from NYC, I presume, so if you ever wanna try me ... say when. I'm your Huckleberry.

[Prokorov]

Agreed, you're just a guy who has all the facts.

The facts i mentioned are a matter of public record. They are not a possession of mind. Here is a helpful resource for you:

www.google.com

I don't need or want your resources. I played so much basketball I forgot more about the game than you'll learn in 50 lifetimes on Google or at Wikipedia et al. And we're both from NYC, I presume, so if you ever wanna try me ... say when. I'm your Huckleberry.

You are not required to use it. Forgetting alot about basketball seems counter productive. Maybe you forgot it isnt still 1985 when rebounding was important.

I'm not from NYC. im not sure what "try me" means? did you want me to bus down their and put up my dukes or something?

[GTR11]

Agreed, you're just a guy who has all the facts.

The facts i mentioned are a matter of public record. They are not a possession of mind. Here is a helpful resource for you:

www.google.com

I don't need or want your resources. I played so much basketball I forgot more about the game than you'll learn in 50 lifetimes on Google or at Wikipedia et al. And we're both from NYC, I presume, so if you ever wanna try me ... say when. I'm your Huckleberry.

Its getting personal, no need for that. We have a great team that we should rather enjoy than drum our chest for no damn reason. This team that we seeing right now is about to rewrite the history, only blind one can't see it. You both have valid facts and pretty much arguing same thing if break things down.

Still its easier to find skilled big rather than skilled one. Likes of Cappella, Gobert etc been proved to be unplayable during PO. Skilled one like Joker and Biid run their teams and considered to be MVP's

[Whiskey Slick]

You are not required to use it. Forgetting alot about basketball seems counter productive. Maybe you forgot it isnt still 1985 when rebounding was important.

I'm not from NYC. im not sure what "try me" means? did you want me to bus down their and put up my dukes or something?

LOL We're talking basketball, nitwit, not boxing ... try to follow along.

I was saying you can try me in a game of one-on-one and I'll school you.

Trust me, I'm not talking about boxing because it wouldn't be a fair fight. I went to the finals of the NYC Golden Gloves, OPEN CLASS, so I don't challenge people to fights. For me it's a felony.

[Whiskey Slick]

Its getting personal, no need for that.

I totally agree. I don't start trouble with anyone and I didn't start with him either.

He's the one who said my post should be locked, clearly insulting and dismissive.

[HardenGoat]

Group hug! Don't read too much into every game, these guys are also going to work each day in a compressed pandemic schedule and that's a far cry from going into playoff mode. This team is going to be lethal just as it sits, roster additions are just for insurance at this point, mostly defensive and we do need some size backup in paint, just my opinion.

[sashaturiaf]

You are not required to use it. Forgetting alot about basketball seems counter productive. Maybe you forgot it isnt still 1985 when rebounding was important.

I'm not from NYC. im not sure what "try me" means? did you want me to bus down their and put up my dukes or something?

LOL We're talking basketball, nitwit, not boxing ... try to follow along.

I was saying you can try me in a game of one-on-one and I'll school you.

Trust me, I'm not talking about boxing because it wouldn't be a fair fight. I went to the finals of the NYC Golden Gloves, OPEN CLASS, so I don't challenge people to fights. For me it's a felony.

Given Covid and everything, why not have a 1 on 1 in NBA 2k between you two? Turn the cameras and microphones on and you can stream it for the rest of this board and we'll donate to a charity of the winner's choosing.

It ain't really that serious.

[Whiskey Slick]

Given Covid and everything, why not have a 1 on 1 in NBA 2k between you two? Turn the cameras and microphones on and you can stream it for the rest of this board and we'll donate to a charity of the winner's choosing.

It ain't really that serious.

LOL

[Prokorov]

You are not required to use it. Forgetting alot about basketball seems counter productive. Maybe you forgot it isnt still 1985 when rebounding was important.

I'm not from NYC. im not sure what "try me" means? did you want me to bus down their and put up my dukes or something?

LOL We're talking basketball, nitwit, not boxing ... try to follow along.

I was saying you can try me in a game of one-on-one and I'll school you.

Trust me, I'm not talking about boxing because it wouldn't be a fair fight. I went to the finals of the NYC Golden Gloves, OPEN CLASS, so I don't challenge people to fights. For me it's a felony.

Again, I'm 43 with a dad bod and play in YMCA co-ed leagues. beating me is no notch on anyones belt.

[Claud]

Two of my favorite players during the last few years... very tough to say though.

As of today I think the Fro is more proven + only 1 year older than Clax + much more durable.

In terms of skills I feel that prime Claxton will be better offensively than the Fro and slightly worse defensively not by much though.

I envision bright futures for both although their games are different.

Claxton reminds me Bosh/Giannis/KG type(PF) while the fro is more of a pure C(Gobert/Capella/Tyson Chandler) type.

Not saying they will reach that level of greatness, just saying that's what their game reminds me of.