The Bruce Brown Jr. Decision

[MrDollarBills]

I think drummond gets our entire MLE. KD loves the guy. gushed about him long before we traded for him. mentions him unprompted all the time on his podcast. im sure they will push to bring him back.

Mills is more then a player. He is an investment in Ben Simmons. If Ben is gonna be here you gotta keep Patty around. if he takes more money not much you can do, but I think we ask him to opt in and give us one more year to help with Ben.

Projecting next year's depth chart:
G:Irving-Mills(?)-Dragic(?)
G:Harris-Curry-Thomas
F:Simmons-____-Edwards
F:Durant-______-______
C:Drummond/Claxton-_____-Sharpe

It's clear forward depth is a critical need. If we retain Drummond using the exception, then Brown almost becomes a necessity unless we want minimums behind Simmons (Harris can probably slide over) and KD. If we retain Claxton instead of Drummond, then we can use the exception towards a forward.

Johnson would probably take the minimum again and Harris would play the 3 not the 2. i have it looking more like:

Irving/Mills
Curry/Thomas
Simmons/Harris
KD/Johnson/Edwards
Drummond/Blake/Sharpe

Bembry, Caleb & Cody Martin, Wes Matthews, Stanley Johnson, Semi Ojeleye are a few names who could be had for the minimum for depth at the 3/replace Brown.

We also may have a pick in this draft, or could combine picks with sharpe to get a better fitting low salary SF.

I think that Blake is gone. He's being professional but he made a comment on IG the other day about not playing...can't say i blame him.

[GTR11]

I think Marks will be shopping Joe this off-season for Myles Turner. He'd fit amazingly and actually will dictate rest of the moves.

I hate to be that guy, it's just will make ton of sense. Let's not forget Joe has a lot of value for many teams out there. They will sacrifice to get him on their team.

I think retaining Dragic is way more important than most think. Giving him legit contract is a must. Yes it's direct effect of Kyrie flat earth Dunning Kruger Irving and Nash to some degree. And no I don't think Ben, Curry and Cam is enough. We still going to need legit vet playmaker. If he'd want that full exception, give him that.

Now as for Brown, at this point I think it'd be wise to pay him that 3 year 20 million. Dude is a warrior and needed depth guy especially if Marks will be able to flip Joe <-> Turner. If not Brown becomes redundant and will be let go.

Voted no simply because I need to see that Joe for Turner trade. Resigning Dre is much easier and cheaper.

[GTR11]

So, Bruce Brown will be a free agent this summer.

Do you resign him? Yes or No. We have his bird rights so we can pay him whatever we want

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownbr01/splits/2022

Take a look at his splits. Bruce is really starting to kick it into gear with some very nice production, and he fits our team better than he would elsewhere. I say yes, we keep Bruce Brown and offer him a raise to keep him here for this championship window.

I offer Bruce 3 years, $20 million with the 3rd year a team option.

Last year the Nets (& Brown) thought his market was going to be much hotter than it was. Teams thought he was a gimmick player, and were not sure how he'd fit outside of the system. The first part of the season supported that. If he can continue to hit 3s though, his market will get red hot. I'm not sure the Nets are willing to pay a ton of luxury tax for Brown, especially if they want to bring back most of Claxton, Mills, Dragic, Drummond, etc.

A lot will depend on whether Kyrie ends up costing the full max and/or Harris gets moved.

With all love/respect to Brown, he ain't getting full MLE and we all know that. He needs perfect environment to be productive player, you can get that with Bambry on vet min. If 3y 20m is on the table, I bet he's taking it. He'll be getting his consistent 20+ min coming as a sub for Ben.

Should he be resigned, I'm not sure. Kess, Cam and DDJ all be looking and fighting for those min.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, true. Would you be willing to let Patty walk if we know 100% Curry will sign an extension next year?

I don’t know if the Nets can hold on to Dre long term. That’s a whole other episode.

i need 2 of curry/harris/mills. who the 2 are matters less to me.

Curry & Mills are very similar players (size, skillset, etc), with Curry being 2 years younger and an amazing shooter versus Mills who is a very good to great shooter. Harris is the youngest and best shooter of the 3, and offers better roster balance because of his size. If you need 2 of the 3, Mills is the odd man out (unless you're using Harris's contract in a trade). It also pains me to say this, because I love Mills on this team. We can definitely find minutes for all 3, but resources may be better allocated to other positions.

Harris also has the highest salary. i dont care which we keep or let go but id need at least 2 after this offseason. going in with 1 is begging for an injury and having the same issue we had pre=trade when harris went down

[Prokorov]

Projecting next year's depth chart:
G:Irving-Mills(?)-Dragic(?)
G:Harris-Curry-Thomas
F:Simmons-____-Edwards
F:Durant-______-______
C:Drummond/Claxton-_____-Sharpe

It's clear forward depth is a critical need. If we retain Drummond using the exception, then Brown almost becomes a necessity unless we want minimums behind Simmons (Harris can probably slide over) and KD. If we retain Claxton instead of Drummond, then we can use the exception towards a forward.

Johnson would probably take the minimum again and Harris would play the 3 not the 2. i have it looking more like:

Irving/Mills
Curry/Thomas
Simmons/Harris
KD/Johnson/Edwards
Drummond/Blake/Sharpe

Bembry, Caleb & Cody Martin, Wes Matthews, Stanley Johnson, Semi Ojeleye are a few names who could be had for the minimum for depth at the 3/replace Brown.

We also may have a pick in this draft, or could combine picks with sharpe to get a better fitting low salary SF.

I think that Blake is gone. He's being professional but he made a comment on IG the other day about not playing...can't say i blame him.

Thats the thing though. if Claxton/LMA are not here next year, he would play

[Prokorov]

I think Marks will be shopping Joe this off-season for Myles Turner. He'd fit amazingly and actually will dictate rest of the moves.

I hate to be that guy, it's just will make ton of sense. Let's not forget Joe has a lot of value for many teams out there. They will sacrifice to get him on their team.

I think retaining Dragic is way more important than most think. Giving him legit contract is a must. Yes it's direct effect of Kyrie flat earth Dunning Kruger Irving and Nash to some degree. And no I don't think Ben, Curry and Cam is enough. We still going to need legit vet playmaker. If he'd want that full exception, give him that.

Now as for Brown, at this point I think it'd be wise to pay him that 3 year 20 million. Dude is a warrior and needed depth guy especially if Marks will be able to flip Joe <-> Turner. If not Brown becomes redundant and will be let go.

Voted no simply because I need to see that Joe for Turner trade. Resigning Dre is much easier and cheaper.

I'd need 2 picks along with Turner. Harris shooting is worth that for sure. He is no longer a good shooter. he had 1 good year from three, then got hurt and has stunk since, on both ends. still a great shotblocker but a poor rim protector. Undersized as well. If we are upgrading drummond i need a shooter or elite defender. Turner is neither

[GTR11]

I think Marks will be shopping Joe this off-season for Myles Turner. He'd fit amazingly and actually will dictate rest of the moves.

I hate to be that guy, it's just will make ton of sense. Let's not forget Joe has a lot of value for many teams out there. They will sacrifice to get him on their team.

I think retaining Dragic is way more important than most think. Giving him legit contract is a must. Yes it's direct effect of Kyrie flat earth Dunning Kruger Irving and Nash to some degree. And no I don't think Ben, Curry and Cam is enough. We still going to need legit vet playmaker. If he'd want that full exception, give him that.

Now as for Brown, at this point I think it'd be wise to pay him that 3 year 20 million. Dude is a warrior and needed depth guy especially if Marks will be able to flip Joe <-> Turner. If not Brown becomes redundant and will be let go.

Voted no simply because I need to see that Joe for Turner trade. Resigning Dre is much easier and cheaper.

I'd need 2 picks along with Turner. Harris shooting is worth that for sure. He is no longer a good shooter. he had 1 good year from three, then got hurt and has stunk since, on both ends. still a great shotblocker but a poor rim protector. Undersized as well. If we are upgrading drummond i need a shooter or elite defender. Turner is neither

What

1. You not getting 2 picks along with Turner period.
2. One good year? Joe shooting over 40% while taking 6 shots from 3 for the past 4 years . He's elite 3 shooter who can put it on the floor. There's not more than 5-7 of them around the league, we got 3 ( somehow ). Him being redundant here can change in a blink of an eye. If Patty decides to leave, or either Patty and Curry get injured.
3. You need to go and educate yourself with who Turner is. At 7ft 3 time top 3-4 DPOY who has hook shots, can slash and shoot 3 at 35% while taking 3 a game.

Only reason I'm looking at Turner is because we going to lose Nic. We don't have a big who can switch and play perimeter beside him. Also addition of Ben kind of forces us upgrade our C situation. They'll have to be able to knock down perimeter jumpers. There's no way around it. Turner is all that and in his prime. Pairing him along with Ben sets us up for good 5-7 years.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Bruce might be expandable once Simmons is back.

We have to see how that affects the team. To me Mills, Drummond, Claxton are higher priority.

[GTR11]

Bruce might be expandable once Simmons is back.

We have to see how that affects the team. To me Mills, Drummond, Claxton are higher priority.

Nic not coming back next year. When Marks shopped you around, it's over. Also, he drafted his replacement for good reasons, guy just can't stay healthy. Add the fact he took Dre in Harden trade, pretty much sealed the deal.

Right now Nic has to play for his next contract. I just hope he can stay healthy during that stretch. Not only he will get a shot on the other team with maybe some ok contract, that'll also allow us to SnT him get get something in return.

[GTR11]

Curry - ? - ? -
Kyrie - Joe - ?
KD - Joe - DDJ
Ben - Kess - ?
? - Sharpe - ?

Both Blake and Nic is good as gone. JJ probably be there for vet min. Now this is where things get very interesting. Dre what role he has on this team? How much value Marks has in him. Brown, he clearly has a role on this team and loves it here. I hope Tsai will open his pocket and give him that 3/20 contract. Retaining him will be nice.

Both Patty and Dragic is a must to have next off-season. They should be top priority for obvious reasons.

[MrDollarBills]

Joe Tsai better hold onto his butt. Both Brown and Claxton are making cases right now for extensions

[TheNetsFan]

Joe Tsai better hold onto his butt. Both Brown and Claxton are making cases right now for extensions

I don't think we'll bring back Drummond & Claxton. It'll be one or the other. Sharpe will need minutes next year as well. My guess is Claxton is the odd man out given his durability.

Brown is the dirty work, energy, glue guy that this team needs. We need to retain him. I honestly think that Harris or Simmons are going to have to be moved for a lesser player making less money if we're going to be able to bring back Brown and Drummond/Claxton.

[Prokorov]

I don't think we'll bring back Drummond & Claxton. It'll be one or the other. Sharpe will need minutes next year as well. My guess is Claxton is the odd man out given his durability.

Sharpe doesnt need minutes. there is no real future for him on this team other then career 3rd center. He is basically Reggie Perry all over again. everyone loves him but in the end you dont waste KDs run here with guys like sharpe. Claxton goes for money reasons and you bring back Drummond and Blake if he will stay.

Brown is the dirty work, energy, glue guy that this team needs. We need to retain him. I honestly think that Harris or Simmons are going to have to be moved for a lesser player making less money if we're going to be able to bring back Brown and Drummond/Claxton.

you dont trade simmons to keep brown. that is absurd. i dont care how bad simmons back is.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not sure how Sharpe is being written off as Reggie Perry based on what we've seen from him this season when he clearly has some nice upside at the center position. And he is on a cheap rookie contract. I think he definitely has a future here or as an asset in a trade.

That being said, I'm not trading Ben Simmons before I can actually see what he can bring to the team.

[TheNetsFan]

I don't think we'll bring back Drummond & Claxton. It'll be one or the other. Sharpe will need minutes next year as well. My guess is Claxton is the odd man out given his durability.

Sharpe doesnt need minutes. there is no real future for him on this team other then career 3rd center. He is basically Reggie Perry all over again. everyone loves him but in the end you dont waste KDs run here with guys like sharpe. Claxton goes for money reasons and you bring back Drummond and Blake if he will stay.

Brown is the dirty work, energy, glue guy that this team needs. We need to retain him. I honestly think that Harris or Simmons are going to have to be moved for a lesser player making less money if we're going to be able to bring back Brown and Drummond/Claxton.

you dont trade simmons to keep brown. that is absurd. i dont care how bad simmons back is.

I'm not saying you trade Simmons to keep Brown. I'm saying you trade Simmons for a talented guy like John Collins & the massive tax savings to keep Drummond, Brown, etc.

You also can't write off Sharpe, Thomas or Edwards. All have shown flashes of being capable role players in year 2. It's common for guys like that (see GSW) to get minutes in years 2-4 on championship contenders, even if it's just 15 minutes per game backing up Drummond. You need those players to become rotation pieces when your cap sheet is very top heavy.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think we'll bring back Drummond & Claxton. It'll be one or the other. Sharpe will need minutes next year as well. My guess is Claxton is the odd man out given his durability.

Sharpe doesnt need minutes. there is no real future for him on this team other then career 3rd center. He is basically Reggie Perry all over again. everyone loves him but in the end you dont waste KDs run here with guys like sharpe. Claxton goes for money reasons and you bring back Drummond and Blake if he will stay.

Brown is the dirty work, energy, glue guy that this team needs. We need to retain him. I honestly think that Harris or Simmons are going to have to be moved for a lesser player making less money if we're going to be able to bring back Brown and Drummond/Claxton.

you dont trade simmons to keep brown. that is absurd. i dont care how bad simmons back is.

I'm not saying you trade Simmons to keep Brown. I'm saying you trade Simmons for a talented guy like John Collins & the massive tax savings to keep Drummond, Brown, etc.

You also can't write off Sharpe, Thomas or Edwards. All have shown flashes of being capable role players in year 2. It's common for guys like that (see GSW) to get minutes in years 2-4 on championship contenders, even if it's just 15 minutes per game backing up Drummond. You need those players to become rotation pieces when your cap sheet is very top heavy.

Golden State is getting excellent production from their young guys on cheap contracts and we look to see a similar outcome here with Cam, Kess, and Day'Ron. Unless there is a can't miss trade, all three of them are here next season. The upside for all three is enticing, especially if Cam can develop his three point shot, and Kessler/Day'Ron continue to build on their skill sets.

Also, Kessler is going to have to be signed to an NBA contract one way or another. So something really does have to give here.

[Prokorov]

I don't think we'll bring back Drummond & Claxton. It'll be one or the other. Sharpe will need minutes next year as well. My guess is Claxton is the odd man out given his durability.

Sharpe doesnt need minutes. there is no real future for him on this team other then career 3rd center. He is basically Reggie Perry all over again. everyone loves him but in the end you dont waste KDs run here with guys like sharpe. Claxton goes for money reasons and you bring back Drummond and Blake if he will stay.

Brown is the dirty work, energy, glue guy that this team needs. We need to retain him. I honestly think that Harris or Simmons are going to have to be moved for a lesser player making less money if we're going to be able to bring back Brown and Drummond/Claxton.

you dont trade simmons to keep brown. that is absurd. i dont care how bad simmons back is.

I'm not saying you trade Simmons to keep Brown. I'm saying you trade Simmons for a talented guy like John Collins & the massive tax savings to keep Drummond, Brown, etc.

You also can't write off Sharpe, Thomas or Edwards. All have shown flashes of being capable role players in year 2. It's common for guys like that (see GSW) to get minutes in years 2-4 on championship contenders, even if it's just 15 minutes per game backing up Drummond. You need those players to become rotation pieces when your cap sheet is very top heavy.

I just dont view sharpe as an NBA rotation player. not for any team that plans to win games. and maybe not for anyone. Kessler probably has a role with his skillset if his shooting can stay a plus. Cam to me over the next 2 years will be struggling to find a taker on his next contract if he doesnt add the three to his game. he doesnt do enough outside of inefficiently/inconsistently scoring. and the league is less likely to enforce rules where his FTs make up for it.

id be fine moving simmons if its for collins or fox or whomever. but i 100% dont do that if i think simmons will be better just because of overlap with brown. brown doesnt even enter my sphere of thinking on that level

[Prokorov]

Sharpe doesnt need minutes. there is no real future for him on this team other then career 3rd center. He is basically Reggie Perry all over again. everyone loves him but in the end you dont waste KDs run here with guys like sharpe. Claxton goes for money reasons and you bring back Drummond and Blake if he will stay.


you dont trade simmons to keep brown. that is absurd. i dont care how bad simmons back is.

I'm not saying you trade Simmons to keep Brown. I'm saying you trade Simmons for a talented guy like John Collins & the massive tax savings to keep Drummond, Brown, etc.

You also can't write off Sharpe, Thomas or Edwards. All have shown flashes of being capable role players in year 2. It's common for guys like that (see GSW) to get minutes in years 2-4 on championship contenders, even if it's just 15 minutes per game backing up Drummond. You need those players to become rotation pieces when your cap sheet is very top heavy.

Golden State is getting excellent production from their young guys on cheap contracts and we look to see a similar outcome here with Cam, Kess, and Day'Ron. Unless there is a can't miss trade, all three of them are here next season. The upside for all three is enticing, especially if Cam can develop his three point shot, and Kessler/Day'Ron continue to build on their skill sets.

Also, Kessler is going to have to be signed to an NBA contract one way or another. So something really does have to give here.

the warriors young guys have desired NBA talents...

-Kuminga is a 6'9" athletic Freak
-Poole is an elite shooter from 3/FT
-Payton is an outstanding defender and a 3 & D player

Sharpe on the other hand is an undersize C who doesnt stretch the floor or block shots. Cam is a scoring G/wing who doesnt shoot threes, defend at a high level, and score inefficiently while being a below avg athlete. Duke Jr. Hustles and rebounds but provides little beyond that

Edwards is the only young guy we have with dersireable NBA skills.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not saying you trade Simmons to keep Brown. I'm saying you trade Simmons for a talented guy like John Collins & the massive tax savings to keep Drummond, Brown, etc.

You also can't write off Sharpe, Thomas or Edwards. All have shown flashes of being capable role players in year 2. It's common for guys like that (see GSW) to get minutes in years 2-4 on championship contenders, even if it's just 15 minutes per game backing up Drummond. You need those players to become rotation pieces when your cap sheet is very top heavy.

Golden State is getting excellent production from their young guys on cheap contracts and we look to see a similar outcome here with Cam, Kess, and Day'Ron. Unless there is a can't miss trade, all three of them are here next season. The upside for all three is enticing, especially if Cam can develop his three point shot, and Kessler/Day'Ron continue to build on their skill sets.

Also, Kessler is going to have to be signed to an NBA contract one way or another. So something really does have to give here.

the warriors young guys have desired NBA talents...

-Kuminga is a 6'9" athletic Freak
-Poole is an elite shooter from 3/FT
-Payton is an outstanding defender and a 3 & D player

Sharpe on the other hand is an undersize C who doesnt stretch the floor or block shots. Cam is a scoring G/wing who doesnt shoot threes, defend at a high level, and score inefficiently while being a below avg athlete. Duke Jr. Hustles and rebounds but provides little beyond that

Edwards is the only young guy we have with dersireable NBA skills.

Nah it is way too early to write off Sharpe and Cam. Sharpe does have a jumpshot that he continues to work on and he was solid for us when he had to play mins due to covid/injury. Solid rebounder and he's 6'11 260+ that is not an undersized kid at all. With our draft pick situation, he is worth developing.

If Cam can develop that three point shot he will be a solid pro. That in itself will increase his value.

Lets give them a chance to develop. Remember, you also said Nic Claxton would be bagging your groceries at whole foods awhile back

But yeah, Edwards right now is probably #1 out of the group in terms of fit and upside. I can easily see him being a 12-13ppg 3 + D guy shooting in the 40s range from 3.

[Prokorov]

Nah it is way too early to write off Sharpe and Cam. Sharpe does have a jumpshot that he continues to work on and he was solid for us when he had to play mins due to covid/injury. Solid rebounder and he's 6'11 260+ that is not an undersized kid at all.

Maybe undersized was the wrong word. he doesnt have great size/length/wingspan. it is unlikely he develops into a shot blocker. As far as his jump shot he shot 0% from three in college and 28% this year on almost no attempts. i dont know there is any evidence he has a jump shot. could he add one? sure, but you could say that about every bigman under 22 as well. He has no exsisting desired NBA skill.

If Cam can develop that three point shot he will be a solid pro. That in itself will increase his value.

Well he is shooting 28% from three and just 32% from the college line. He also wouldnt just need to be an average shooter from three, he would need to be a really good one, since the only value he adds is scoring. It isnt like Bruce Brown where if he adds a three he becomes an outstanding 3 & D player and above avg athlete. Cam isnt a very good athlete, isnt a very good defender and at 6'4" doesnt have great size.

This isnt being "down" on these guys or "not giving them a chance"

we are talking about 2 very late 1st round picks, a second round pick, and an undrafted rookie. the odds any of them become a long-term rotation player is low. The warriors young guys have the advantage that they all come in with at least 1 desirable NBA ready skill.

Edwards is the only guy we have like that