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Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22

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Re: Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22 

Post#21 » by NetsWorld » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:26 pm

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jibba jones wrote:Would the team give up a first rounder for Udoka (thats what the Celts got for Rivers)? Do they have a first rounder to give?

No

We let him go for a reason. He ain't coming here.



And your sources pleases? Woj is already reporting the opposite of you and I'll take his word....Thanks anyway.
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Post#22 » by haosmoove » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:29 pm

This is ridiculous, not that I am unhappy with the firing. But knowing Nash had such a short leash, (decision was made 6 or 7 games into the season?) it is inexcusable to not do this in the off-season. We would have a bigger pool of candidates to choose from and more time for the new coach to get acclimated to the players. What was there to see in the first 2 weeks that we didn't already know for the past 2 seasons? Was was Marks hoping before the season started?

I am slowly losing faith in Marks. Given the uncertainty of next season, this may be our last window with this core and Marks is willing to gamble it away with Nash. Then there's the roster construction, which may have contributed to Nash's demise. Marks made no attempt to acquire any shooting center for 2 seasons now. It's obvious that we need 4 shooters at any time in Nash's system, and we already have Simmons occupying the role of that non-shooter.
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Re: Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22 

Post#23 » by GTR11 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:30 pm

MGrand15 wrote:We all know this should've happened right after the Boston series. Inexcusable to go into the season - knowing that he was a bad coach, knowing that he didn't care much about coaching - and expecting different results. Now we have MORE unnecessary drama.

The downside here is that Vaughn is arguably worse than Nash.

The slight upside with this move is that the season is so early that we might actually be able to sign a good coach.

Quin Snyder is out there. Woj says we're interested in Udoka. We're probably the only organization with 0 morals or PR sense that would sign him while mid-suspension with another team. Udoka is definitely the best option. No doubt about that.

If Marks talking to Brad than KD for JB been discussed as well, no way around it. It'll make sense to kick tires and experiment right now so we just won't lose this season for nothing.

I want KD gone more than anything. He's toxic and has some back and forth with guys like Joe and Patty.

Kyrie needs to go for obvious reasons. 2 unprotected 1 rounders from LA will be god send gift. They high lottery bound for sure.
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Re: Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22 

Post#24 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:30 pm

I don't like celebrating someone losing their primary source of income, especially in a job as demanding and thankless as coaching in the NBA.

With that said, it has been clear from almost the start that Nash was out of his depth and should've never been hired in the first place.

Steve Nash is a Hall of Fame PG and from the little I know about him off the court a seemingly nice person, but he was not good at his job.


Also, this is only the first of what I hope will be several much needed steps. I want to see trades for win now pieces to maximize our rapidly closing championship window. (Myles Turner is begging to leave Indy.) I also want better communication and transparency from Marks and Tsai, since everyone has played a part in making this franchise such a disaster.
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Post#25 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:31 pm

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i'm no longer backing Vaughn as a replacement so I hope this is quite QUITE tentative and temporary.

You should've known from Vaughn's previous stint filling in post-Kidd and his Orlando days that he isn't the guy lol.
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Re: Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22 

Post#26 » by GTR11 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:32 pm

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jibba jones wrote:Would the team give up a first rounder for Udoka (thats what the Celts got for Rivers)? Do they have a first rounder to give?

No

We let him go for a reason. He ain't coming here.



And your sources pleases? Woj is already reporting the opposite of you and I'll take his word....Thanks anyway.

If so, JB and Ime should be BK bound for KD. Great deal for both teams.
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Post#27 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:34 pm

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NetsJets wrote:They should’ve done this in the offseason

Snake, antivax and trash all should've been gone. We waisted a year for no reason, simply because Tsai/Marks wanted to please bandwagon fans who where loud.

It got toxic once snake and antivax signed here.

I'm sure money is a primary concern for Tsai. Since bandwagoners increase revenue, I doubt he truly cares about what the longstanding diehards think.
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Post#28 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:34 pm

A whole season of Vaughn as head coach. I'm going to be sick. Just blow it up and tank.
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Post#29 » by jibba jones » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:37 pm

Celtics trade might not be as easy as you think. The team might still harbor some animosity from the Nets leaking Brown in a KD trade this offseason.
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Post#30 » by haosmoove » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:37 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:I don't like celebrating someone losing their primary source of income, especially in a job as demanding and thankless as coaching in the NBA.


Not sure this applies to Nash, he has made plenty throughout his career and took good care of his own finance. Besides, if he was let go he will still be paid for the duration of his contract.
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Post#31 » by GTR11 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:40 pm

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GTR11 wrote:
jibba jones wrote:Would the team give up a first rounder for Udoka (thats what the Celts got for Rivers)? Do they have a first rounder to give?

No

We let him go for a reason. He ain't coming here.



And your sources pleases? Woj is already reporting the opposite of you and I'll take his word....Thanks anyway.

So he just one of select few.

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Though he is easiest one to obtain. Other coaches not named Mark Jackson and other trash will take it without thinking twice.
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Post#32 » by Rich Rane » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:42 pm

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Post#33 » by GTR11 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:42 pm

jibba jones wrote:Celtics trade might not be as easy as you think. The team might still harbor some animosity from the Nets leaking Brown in a KD trade this offseason.

Brad will be kicking can down the road hoping for better. It can and will backfire.
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Post#34 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:43 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Now do Kyrie next.

I highly doubt that's happening. He played several hours after the fiasco and hasn't been suspended, let alone waived.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about the city's COVID ordinance and the organization's initial belief that everyone needed to be 100% available if they wanted to participate at all, the fact that Tsai allowed Kyrie back on the team last year should tell you something about Tsai and his "convictions".

If Udoka is hired, irrespective of whether anyone thinks his suspension is warranted, it will be another layer of evidence that proving that Tsai and the organization do not really care about negative PR and will do what they believe is necessary to maximize profits.
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Post#35 » by sonnyhill » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:44 pm

Maybe now is the time for the Nets to go "all-in" on and "double-down" on its commitment to both KD and Kyrie and hire Kyrie as player-coach. Instead of trying to "manage" Kyrie, how about giving him more responsibility and authority and force him to hold himself accountable for wins-and-losses?

If anyone was ever born to be the perfect "Ben Simmons 'horse-whisperer,'" it is Kyrie Irving.
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Post#36 » by MGrand15 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:44 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:I don't like celebrating someone losing their primary source of income, especially in a job as demanding and thankless as coaching in the NBA.

With that said, it has been clear from almost the start that Nash was out of his depth and should've never been hired in the first place.

Steve Nash is a Hall of Fame PG and from the little I know about him off the court a seemingly nice person, but he was not good at his job.


Also, this is only the first of what I hope will be several much needed steps. I want to see trades for win now pieces to maximize our rapidly closing championship window. (Myles Turner is begging to leave Indy.) I also want better communication and transparency from Marks and Tsai, since everyone has played a part in making this franchise such a disaster.


All disrespect to Nash but I'm convinced he stayed on the job SPECIFICALLY so the Nets would fire him and he would get all his guaranteed money. I doubt he lost any income from this.
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Re: Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22 

Post#37 » by jibba jones » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:45 pm

I know you (GTR11) don't want Udoka but that's not indicative of the teams desires...
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Post#38 » by MGrand15 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:48 pm

jibba jones wrote:Would the team give up a first rounder for Udoka (thats what the Celts got for Rivers)? Do they have a first rounder to give?


I don't think that'll be necessary. Maybe a 2nd round pick but this is a different situation than normal. Boston suspended Udoka for a full year. If they don't let him find another job, my guess is he can challenge that suspension and it'll be a big mess for Boston.
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Re: Nash and Nets mutually agreed to part ways. 11.1.22 

Post#39 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:49 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:I don't like celebrating someone losing their primary source of income, especially in a job as demanding and thankless as coaching in the NBA.


Not sure this applies to Nash, he has made plenty throughout his career and took good care of his own finance. Besides, if he was let go he will still be paid for the duration of his contract.

Sure, relative to the average person, it's hard to sympathize; but for me, a person's financial status doesn't reduce the degree to which I'd feel empathy for them on a human level. I don't think one's salary should affect what I think about another person, whether good, bad, or indifferent.
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Post#40 » by MGrand15 » Tue Nov 1, 2022 5:49 pm

sonnyhill wrote:Maybe now is the time for the Nets to go "all-in" on and "double-down" on its commitment to both KD and Kyrie and hire Kyrie as player-coach. Instead of trying to "manage" Kyrie, how about giving him more responsibility and authority and force him to hold himself accountable for wins-and-losses?

If anyone was ever born to be the perfect "Ben Simmons 'horse-whisperer,'" it is Kyrie Irving.


It might be time for Joe Tsai to open his third eye.

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